Outteridge leading, Bruni 2nd: Foiling week
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It wasnt a kids regatta. It was Nationals. Open to all comers. Thats the point.
Im personally happy to celebrate the 16 yo Coutts that got third. What a remarkable achievement.
For the info of the critics, the Moth class is open to everyone and the rock star professinals sail Moths because they like the boat and the competition, not just amounst the professionals but from a few talented amateurs also. Being a 70 year old has been, I enjoy racing reagattas where these people compete, I can mix with them at the club and on the start line but not long after. I've chatted with most of them many times and they are always happy to pass on the latest ideas and gear. They make the class stronger by their presence.
Rushman
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did the pros take the prizes home with them?
yes they have the prizes for the photo but what happened after?
Sea Breeze 74
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The_Alchemist
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Just imagine, if the pros didn't place and just sailed for fun, Jake would have took 3rd and got a prize...
The Main Man
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You really are on your own on this one.
strider470
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As in every country, there are youth-only championships and open contests. In the latter, you expect (and you want) to find the very best sailors in that class. And competing with pro or Olympic athletes in relatively similar boats, or even one design, is an opportunity, not a disadvantage. I don't think the boys lack a t-shirt or a hat. But one day, watching the pictures, they will say, hey, I was very close to Nathan Outteridge and Francesco Bruni, I could even beat them in some races, and I was sixteen!
17mika
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As president of the Italian Moth class, all I can say is that Alchemist you are really alone on that one.
Everyone in the moth class, from world class president Luca to all of us, we welcome all pros in the class, and sometimes adapt event schedules to fit their needs, because really all pros which come to race with us fully embrace the amatour and pioneering spirit that the class promotes. The fun thing about having checco, nathan, Goodie, etc is that racing with us for them is "a holiday", so in all events the chilled out atmosphere is fully embraced by them. and we love to have a beer with them and learn shitloads of stuff every time we talk with them and sail with them. So we're very happy to see them winning races and taking prices, because it helps out class grow
Small story: I am not 16 years old, but I fully remember in the 2017 worlds, when Outerridge messed-up a start in day 1 and crashed off the foils. I rolled him to leeward 10 seconds before the start so for like 20 seconds I was in front of Outerridge!
then 20 seconds later he rolled me to windward going 2 knots faster and went on winning the race (I was like 25th), but that's another story . I have a photo of me on time on the line and Outerridge is nowhere to be seen
EDIT: pretty curios about the line-up we will have in the 2021 Garda worlds. word is that, covid allowing, it could be pretty interesting
Everyone in the moth class, from world class president Luca to all of us, we welcome all pros in the class, and sometimes adapt event schedules to fit their needs, because really all pros which come to race with us fully embrace the amatour and pioneering spirit that the class promotes. The fun thing about having checco, nathan, Goodie, etc is that racing with us for them is "a holiday", so in all events the chilled out atmosphere is fully embraced by them. and we love to have a beer with them and learn shitloads of stuff every time we talk with them and sail with them. So we're very happy to see them winning races and taking prices, because it helps out class grow
Small story: I am not 16 years old, but I fully remember in the 2017 worlds, when Outerridge messed-up a start in day 1 and crashed off the foils. I rolled him to leeward 10 seconds before the start so for like 20 seconds I was in front of Outerridge!
then 20 seconds later he rolled me to windward going 2 knots faster and went on winning the race (I was like 25th), but that's another story . I have a photo of me on time on the line and Outerridge is nowhere to be seen EDIT: pretty curios about the line-up we will have in the 2021 Garda worlds. word is that, covid allowing, it could be pretty interesting
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The_Alchemist
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I get it, it sounds like a great time and I understand what you are saying.As president of the Italian Moth class, all I can say is that Alchemist you are really alone on that one.
Everyone in the moth class, from world class president Luca to all of us, we welcome all pros in the class, and sometimes adapt event schedules to fit their needs, because really all pros which come to race with us fully embrace the amatour and pioneering spirit that the class promotes. The fun thing about having checco, nathan, Goodie, etc is that racing with us for them is "a holiday", so in all events the chilled out atmosphere is fully embraced by them. and we love to have a beer with them and learn shitloads of stuff every time we talk with them and sail with them. So we're very happy to see them winning races and taking prices, because it helps out class grow
Small story: I am not 16 years old, but I fully remember in the 2017 worlds, when Outerridge messed-up a start in day 1 and crashed off the foils. I rolled him to leeward 10 seconds before the start so for like 20 seconds I was in front of Outerridge!
EDIT: pretty curios about the line-up we will have in the 2021 Garda worlds. word is that, covid allowing, it could be pretty interesting
@17mika I hope to be in Malcesine in September to watch the show !As president of the Italian Moth class, all I can say is that Alchemist you are really alone on that one.
Everyone in the moth class, from world class president Luca to all of us, we welcome all pros in the class, and sometimes adapt event schedules to fit their needs, because really all pros which come to race with us fully embrace the amatour and pioneering spirit that the class promotes. The fun thing about having checco, nathan, Goodie, etc is that racing with us for them is "a holiday", so in all events the chilled out atmosphere is fully embraced by them. and we love to have a beer with them and learn shitloads of stuff every time we talk with them and sail with them. So we're very happy to see them winning races and taking prices, because it helps out class grow
Small story: I am not 16 years old, but I fully remember in the 2017 worlds, when Outerridge messed-up a start in day 1 and crashed off the foils. I rolled him to leeward 10 seconds before the start so for like 20 seconds I was in front of Outerridge!
EDIT: pretty curios about the line-up we will have in the 2021 Garda worlds. word is that, covid allowing, it could be pretty interesting
17mika
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Sará bello farsi qualche birra assieme allora!@17mika I hope to be in Malcesine in September to watch the show !
Io dovró un po lottare x farmi le ferie a settembre, ma si preaugura spettacolo. Italiani siamo carichissimi (checco, ruggi tita e tanti altri) e se a giugno si sbloccano le frontiere da down under dovrebbero veramente arrivare tutti... ou
, slinsby, e speriamo anche i neozelandesi.
Io devo ancora mettere barca in acqua, spero settimana prox! Poi allenamenti a manetta
strider470
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Vengo pure io! Facciamo la diretta per Sailing Anarchy
Mambo Kings
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There are three types of events where pros participate:As president of the Italian Moth class, all I can say is that Alchemist you are really alone on that one.
Everyone in the moth class, from world class president Luca to all of us, we welcome all pros in the class, and sometimes adapt event schedules to fit their needs, because really all pros which come to race with us fully embrace the amatour and pioneering spirit that the class promotes. The fun thing about having checco, nathan, Goodie, etc is that racing with us for them is "a holiday", so in all events the chilled out atmosphere is fully embraced by them. and we love to have a beer with them and learn shitloads of stuff every time we talk with them and sail with them. So we're very happy to see them winning races and taking prices, because it helps out class grow
Small story: I am not 16 years old, but I fully remember in the 2017 worlds, when Outerridge messed-up a start in day 1 and crashed off the foils. I rolled him to leeward 10 seconds before the start so for like 20 seconds I was in front of Outerridge!
EDIT: pretty curios about the line-up we will have in the 2021 Garda worlds. word is that, covid allowing, it could be pretty interesting
1. Professional events like the AC , GP50 series RTW race etc which are all pro events...pros vs pros. Elite category of pros.
2. Events where pros are paid to sail alongside amateur sailors. This is a substantial income generator for many pro sailors.
3. Events where the pros are on unpaid vacation sailing their own boats or with friends. They are just there for the joy of sailing.
I think the moth event fell under category #3. I have a lot of experience in this category because the Viper Class does not ban pros but has a "no paid to sail" rule. This attracts a few pro sailors who are looking for a fun boat to hang out in when not working , and they are not missing a paid gig. Some very good sailors have bought Vipers and/or sailed with friends. One thing I note about pros when they are sailing for pure fun is that they reach out and are very helpful to other teams and boats. They cant do this at pro events. If you are being paid by the owner of your TP52 or J70, you cannot go to another boat and give them some helpful tuning tips. Your owner is paying you. When a pro is sailing on his own time , for fun, in an amateur atmosphere.....then it is amazing how much they enjoy sharing ideas and helping everyone do better. Thus I suspect that Nathan and Checco were more than happy to help the Moth sailors.
One of the highlights in my life was the Viper world Championships in Perth in 2018. Australia has a lot of pro sailors who love to come home to their local clubs and sail with friends or sail their own boats. On top of that there are a number of American pro sailors who own Vipers to sail with their wives etc.
Anyway.......the fleet in 2018 was stacked and the Aussie hospitality was legendary. WA is an amazing place to visit and my wife and I had a fantastic vacation as well as a world championship. THe sailing was certainly enhanced by having : 2 skippers from the world match racing circuit, 2 members of Team Oracle, the 2 aussie representatives in the women 470 team, and another boat with their Dads (and that is what is wonderful in sailing....2 of the best women sailors in Aussie sailing vs their Dads.) , an Olympic coach, former Laser world champion , former flying fifteen world champion. During the practice regatta I learnt so much and got to know these sailors as life long friends. I relished sailing against pro sailors sailing on level terms , there for fun, and I learnt a lot. I learnt a lot! So much that it will never be surpassed as the achievement of my life. After the first day we were deservedly lying in 17th place but with a goal to get into the top 10. After the 2nd day we had achieved that goal and we had taken a couple of top 3 finishes to get there....and what the heck.......after the 3rd day we were in the top 5 ......and going into the last race we were in 3rd place . The boat in 2nd was World Match Racing Skipper Keith Swinton Keith vs Ed Baird . Sure enough at the start of the last race, he determined he could use his discard to push me back and came after me. I was schooled in the first start but luck there was a recall. In second start we shook off keith, got a clean start and then had the race of our lives to end up with that second runners-up slot. The first boat to come alongside us and congratulate us was Keith. I have never sailed so well and had slightly more than my fair share of lady luck as that regatta.....but what was truly wonderful was how happy the pros were to see an amateur get among them . I wont get that result again...(age is catching up with me) but it was very special and when I see some of the pros that I raced against in Vipers at AC 35 and elsewhere , it makes the world smaller and the true realization that these professional sailors are blessed to be doing something they love and enjoy doing in their spare time.
strider470
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Liquid Assett NZ
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Sea Breeze 74
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The_Alchemist
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Give him a congrats from us. Look at the bright side, at least my bellyaching got a few people to give us some good stories about how much these events mean to everyone....
I know it sounds real petty, but I suspect that placing in the top three and winning some stuff would mean a lot more to him then one of the AC pros who have boxes of that stuff. Of course, the memories of competing with those guys will last a lifetime.
17mika
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I get your point and I agree. but it is so hard to get a precise line, especially for dinghy classes. Cause actually almost no one is really paid to sail moths, it's not like Melges 32 where some owners pay their crews. In moths some of the "pros" gets some of the kit funded, some pros (or non pros) get a bit of their campaigns funded by sponsors or by their "normal" bosses they work for, etc..
If I take the top 10 at the 2019 moth worlds, they looked like this at that time; not sure who was really the first non-pro. Babbage? Funkie? Chewie? Mcnight?
1 Slingsby (prosailor for sail GP), 2 Kyle Langford (prosailor for sail GP), 3 Tom Burton (Aus Olympic team, but free after not being selected for Tokyo, but with some other sailing engagements), 4 Babbage (working for sailgp as perf. engineer), 5 Bruni (prosailor for LR), 6 Funk (previous USA sailing team, non pro?), 7 Greenhalgh (working for north sails) 8 Mat Chew (Previous AUS sailing team, non pro?), 9 Johnson (prosailor for sail GP), 10 McNight (non pro?)
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