Pacific Cup 2022 - 91 entries and waitlist started

solosailor

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Also, the carbon Antrim 27 rates just 5 secs/mile slower than us. It hardly looks like a cush downwind rating.
And yet I'd bet good money that it is. I agree with the IMR, Trev, etc.... everyone should be using the same rating system if there is an overall trophy given. If there were only division trophies it wouldn't matter.
 

Roleur

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I agree as well. That said, the overall trophy is awarded after throwing everyone into the same system (PHRF DW). There is also a trophy for best ORR and a separate trophy for best PHRF (from the M/Tu starters).

In 2018 Prospector won the overall trophy, but they did not win their division (ORR). Go figure.
 

Trevor B

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I agree as well. That said, the overall trophy is awarded after throwing everyone into the same system (PHRF DW). There is also a trophy for best ORR and a separate trophy for best PHRF (from the M/Tu starters).

In 2018 Prospector won the overall trophy, but they did not win their division (ORR). Go figure.

The point we’re making is that the system that is used by everyone is flawed and thus everyone should us a different (measured) system.
 

Roleur

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More fun with numbers... Everyone has a rating now, based on the same "method". I "think" it is TCF, which I "believe" is PHRF DW converted to Time on Time, and called TCF.

https://2022.pacificcup.org/entries

Here's the fun part. Our rating compared to all of the the Monday/Tuesday starters is unchanged and what I was expecting. We are a J/111 with a PHRF DW rating (doublehanded). There is also a J/111 that is racing fully crewed (ORR). We know the boat. We weigh within 50 pounds of each other and they have a kite that is 10% bigger than ours (we have one of those too, but kept it at home for this race), so they rate (YRA) 3 secs/mile faster than us. Makes sense. But in the TCF list we owe them time. Something like 15 secs/mile or 9 hours for the race. Looking closer it seems that all of the ORR boats have shifted about 18 secs/mile from where they would have been with their YRA PHRF rating. Our rating puts us in the middle between the J/111 and J/125. Also, the J/120 (Tuesday starter) rates faster than the J/111 (Thursday starter). I'm sure I don't have to tell you that a J/120 will not get to Hawaii faster than a J/111 all other things equal.

Any thoughts? Worth mentioning, or it is what it is?
 
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Hitchhiker

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Surely that has to be worth bringing up to the OA……. I know I would want to know the reason behind such a discrepancy.

They'll come back with, well you're much lighter double handed!
 

Hitchhiker

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Agreed - there should be enough to get off the coast and it builds. Friday looks primed for a fast start for the fast boats.
Good enough for to challenge the course record?

Current record: 5 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes and 13 seconds.

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Trevor B

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First starts are today and the race organizers choice to start different classes on different days has effectively given the overall prizes to the boats that start on Friday. Well done again.
 
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