Hell, I'm running the damn model 3x day!
Pacific Cup 2022 - 91 entries and waitlist started
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solosailor
Super Anarchist
And yet I'd bet good money that it is. I agree with the IMR, Trev, etc.... everyone should be using the same rating system if there is an overall trophy given. If there were only division trophies it wouldn't matter.
Roleur
Super Anarchist
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- #63
I agree as well. That said, the overall trophy is awarded after throwing everyone into the same system (PHRF DW). There is also a trophy for best ORR and a separate trophy for best PHRF (from the M/Tu starters).
In 2018 Prospector won the overall trophy, but they did not win their division (ORR). Go figure.
In 2018 Prospector won the overall trophy, but they did not win their division (ORR). Go figure.
Trevor B
Super Anarchist
The point we’re making is that the system that is used by everyone is flawed and thus everyone should us a different (measured) system.
solosailor
Super Anarchist
How much longer will ORR survive?
Trevor B
Super Anarchist
It’s already dead.
IMR
Anarchist
Big boat is switching this year to orc.
solosailor
Super Anarchist
Heard that..... figured the PC and other ocean races might follow suite, just hadn't heard such yet.
IMR
Anarchist
According to the Transpac NOR they are intending to run ORR for the 2023 race.
Roleur
Super Anarchist
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- #71
More fun with numbers... Everyone has a rating now, based on the same "method". I "think" it is TCF, which I "believe" is PHRF DW converted to Time on Time, and called TCF.
https://2022.pacificcup.org/entries
Here's the fun part. Our rating compared to all of the the Monday/Tuesday starters is unchanged and what I was expecting. We are a J/111 with a PHRF DW rating (doublehanded). There is also a J/111 that is racing fully crewed (ORR). We know the boat. We weigh within 50 pounds of each other and they have a kite that is 10% bigger than ours (we have one of those too, but kept it at home for this race), so they rate (YRA) 3 secs/mile faster than us. Makes sense. But in the TCF list we owe them time. Something like 15 secs/mile or 9 hours for the race. Looking closer it seems that all of the ORR boats have shifted about 18 secs/mile from where they would have been with their YRA PHRF rating. Our rating puts us in the middle between the J/111 and J/125. Also, the J/120 (Tuesday starter) rates faster than the J/111 (Thursday starter). I'm sure I don't have to tell you that a J/120 will not get to Hawaii faster than a J/111 all other things equal.
Any thoughts? Worth mentioning, or it is what it is?
https://2022.pacificcup.org/entries
Here's the fun part. Our rating compared to all of the the Monday/Tuesday starters is unchanged and what I was expecting. We are a J/111 with a PHRF DW rating (doublehanded). There is also a J/111 that is racing fully crewed (ORR). We know the boat. We weigh within 50 pounds of each other and they have a kite that is 10% bigger than ours (we have one of those too, but kept it at home for this race), so they rate (YRA) 3 secs/mile faster than us. Makes sense. But in the TCF list we owe them time. Something like 15 secs/mile or 9 hours for the race. Looking closer it seems that all of the ORR boats have shifted about 18 secs/mile from where they would have been with their YRA PHRF rating. Our rating puts us in the middle between the J/111 and J/125. Also, the J/120 (Tuesday starter) rates faster than the J/111 (Thursday starter). I'm sure I don't have to tell you that a J/120 will not get to Hawaii faster than a J/111 all other things equal.
Any thoughts? Worth mentioning, or it is what it is?
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Hitchhiker
Hoopy Frood
Surely that has to be worth bringing up to the OA……. I know I would want to know the reason behind such a discrepancy.
They'll come back with, well you're much lighter double handed!
They'll come back with, well you're much lighter double handed!
That came to my mind, yeah...
Hitchhiker
Hoopy Frood
Good enough for to challenge the course record?
Current record: 5 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes and 13 seconds.
IMR
Anarchist
I want to knee what’s so secretive about the above sailchart !
Trevor B
Super Anarchist
First starts are today and the race organizers choice to start different classes on different days has effectively given the overall prizes to the boats that start on Friday. Well done again.
Hitchhiker
Hoopy Frood
Interesting. I’ve only done a (maybe) handful of Pac Cups. Has there ever been a one day mass start?
