Pirates arrested off Madagascar

MSG

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Then what? From your own link:

"While the prosecutor rifles through national and international maritime agreements to figure out whether the unknown foreigners can be charged with piracy laws last used in the 19th century, justice ministers from Comoros and Madagascar are also questioning who should try them, where they should be tried, and for what".

And : "Amid a 70 percent shortfall to government spending and a transitional parliament still in place from a 2009 coup, Mr. Ranjatoelina says Madagascar can not tackle maritime security of this nature.

“Even with support from the international community, this is a very big problem and we lack the financial means,” he says."

Who, exactly, should target the mother ships under what laws and who, exactly, is going to pay for it? Duh, indeed.

 
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Throatwarbler-Mangrove

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Then what? From your own link:

"While the prosecutor rifles through national and international maritime agreements to figure out whether the unknown foreigners can be charged with piracy laws last used in the 19th century, justice ministers from Comoros and Madagascar are also questioning who should try them, where they should be tried, and for what".

And : "Amid a 70 percent shortfall to government spending and a transitional parliament still in place from a 2009 coup, Mr. Ranjatoelina says Madagascar can not tackle maritime security of this nature.

“Even with support from the international community, this is a very big problem and we lack the financial means,” he says."

Who, exactly, should target the mother ships under what laws and who, exactly, is going to pay for it? Duh, indeed.
UN Security Council is working on it. Unfortunately, this is one of those difficult problems that can't get solved overnight.

 

mad

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Then what? From your own link:

"While the prosecutor rifles through national and international maritime agreements to figure out whether the unknown foreigners can be charged with piracy laws last used in the 19th century, justice ministers from Comoros and Madagascar are also questioning who should try them, where they should be tried, and for what".

And : "Amid a 70 percent shortfall to government spending and a transitional parliament still in place from a 2009 coup, Mr. Ranjatoelina says Madagascar can not tackle maritime security of this nature.

“Even with support from the international community, this is a very big problem and we lack the financial means,” he says."

Who, exactly, should target the mother ships under what laws and who, exactly, is going to pay for it? Duh, indeed.
UN Security Council is working on it. Unfortunately, this is one of those difficult problems that can't get solved overnight.
Don't hold your breath if the UN are sorting it out.

 

Clove Hitch

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Who, exactly, should target the mother ships under what laws and who, exactly, is going to pay for it? Duh, indeed.

The cost of one 6" shell is how much?
Not much, it's just the logistics of having it make contact with the pirate's hull that get spendy. Remember, Republicans are now against spending. You guys had two wars last decade, time for a break.

 
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scottmax

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The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.

 

Throatwarbler-Mangrove

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The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.
Another armchair Admiral. Rambo in North Queensland.

Here are some other things that were done in the 17th and 18th century, and are not done today:

- buying slaves in Africa and shipping them in chains to the Carribean to work the sugar plantations

- slave auctions

- hangings for petty theft

- transportation to a certain continent in the Southern hemisphere for vagrancy and prostitution

- debtors prison

- work houses

- Sunday outings to the lunatic asylum

- punishment for treason: privy parts severed and stuffed in prisoner's mouth; hanged but not until dead; disemboweled and entails roasted; drawn, quartered and head served up for the King's pleasure

- women as husband's chattel property

- death penalty for buggery

- prisoners slaughtered on the field of battle or not, depending on the whim of the victorious commander; otherwise, held under horrendous conditions until ransomed or sold off as slaves

Do you think that maybe Western countries like yours and mine have decided to hold themselves to somewhat higher standards of civilized behavior then were exhibited during the time of Blackbeard? Do you think that the codification of International Law is really about political correctness? Are you not at least a little bit proud that your Navy acts with professionalism, discipline and restraint (unlike the Russians in the video on the other thread)?

Or do you just like to sit in front of your computer in North Queensland and fantasize about what a big man you'd be if somebody gave you a ship and a really big gun.

Fortunately, the adults (mostly) are running the show. Unfortunately, the desired effects are going to take longer than we'd like.

 

johnnysaint

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The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.
Another armchair Admiral. Rambo in North Queensland.

Here are some other things that were done in the 17th and 18th century, and are not done today:

- buying slaves in Africa and shipping them in chains to the Carribean AND AMERICA WHERE AMERICANS TRADED IN THEM to work the sugar plantations

- slave auctions

- hangings for petty theft

- transportation to a certain continent in the Southern hemisphere for vagrancy and prostitution YOU GOTTA PAY TO GET HERE NOW

- debtors prison

- work houses

- Sunday outings to the lunatic asylum

- punishment for treason: privy parts severed and stuffed in prisoner's mouth; hanged but not until dead; disemboweled and entails roasted; drawn, quartered and head served up for the King's pleasure

- women as husband's chattel property

- death penalty for buggery

- prisoners slaughtered on the field of battle or not, depending on the whim of the victorious commander; otherwise, held under horrendous conditions until ransomed or sold off as slaves

Do you think that maybe Western countries like yours and mine have decided to hold themselves to somewhat higher standards of civilized behavior then were exhibited during the time of Blackbeard? Do you think that the codification of International Law is really about political correctness? Are you not at least a little bit proud that your Navy acts with professionalism, discipline and restraint (unlike the Russians in the video on the other thread)?

Or do you just like to sit in front of your computer in North Queensland and fantasize about what a big man you'd be if somebody gave you a ship and a really big gun.

Fortunately, the adults (mostly) are running the show. Unfortunately, the desired effects are going to take longer than we'd like.
Much better to stick up for the murderous pirates who've killed innocent sailors just for a few bucks.

 

Throatwarbler-Mangrove

Super Anarchist
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New England
The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.
Another armchair Admiral. Rambo in North Queensland.

Here are some other things that were done in the 17th and 18th century, and are not done today:

- buying slaves in Africa and shipping them in chains to the Carribean AND British Colonies in AMERICA WHERE AMERICANS TRADED IN THEM to work the sugar tobacco, indigo and riceplantations

- slave auctions

- hangings for petty theft

- transportation to a certain continent in the Southern hemisphere for vagrancy and prostitution YOU GOTTA PAY TO GET HERE NOW

- debtors prison

- work houses

- Sunday outings to the lunatic asylum

- punishment for treason: privy parts severed and stuffed in prisoner's mouth; hanged but not until dead; disemboweled and entails roasted; drawn, quartered and head served up for the King's pleasure

- women as husband's chattel property

- death penalty for buggery

- prisoners slaughtered on the field of battle or not, depending on the whim of the victorious commander; otherwise, held under horrendous conditions until ransomed or sold off as slaves

Do you think that maybe Western countries like yours and mine have decided to hold themselves to somewhat higher standards of civilized behavior then were exhibited during the time of Blackbeard? Do you think that the codification of International Law is really about political correctness? Are you not at least a little bit proud that your Navy acts with professionalism, discipline and restraint (unlike the Russians in the video on the other thread)?

Or do you just like to sit in front of your computer in North Queensland and fantasize about what a big man you'd be if somebody gave you a ship and a really big gun.

Fortunately, the adults (mostly) are running the show. Unfortunately, the desired effects are going to take longer than we'd like.
Much better to stick up for the murderous pirates who've killed innocent sailors just for a few bucks.
Not sticking up for them. Just not wanting to descend to their level. Or to the level of barbarism that existed at the time of the 17th/18th century Carribean piracy problem.

Again, this is why the adults are in charge.

 

scottmax

Super Anarchist
The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.
Another armchair Admiral. Rambo in North Queensland.

Here are some other things that were done in the 17th and 18th century, and are not done today:

- buying slaves in Africa and shipping them in chains to the Carribean to work the sugar plantations

- slave auctions

- hangings for petty theft

- transportation to a certain continent in the Southern hemisphere for vagrancy and prostitution

- debtors prison

- work houses

- Sunday outings to the lunatic asylum

- punishment for treason: privy parts severed and stuffed in prisoner's mouth; hanged but not until dead; disemboweled and entails roasted; drawn, quartered and head served up for the King's pleasure

- women as husband's chattel property

- death penalty for buggery

- prisoners slaughtered on the field of battle or not, depending on the whim of the victorious commander; otherwise, held under horrendous conditions until ransomed or sold off as slaves

Do you think that maybe Western countries like yours and mine have decided to hold themselves to somewhat higher standards of civilized behavior then were exhibited during the time of Blackbeard? Do you think that the codification of International Law is really about political correctness? Are you not at least a little bit proud that your Navy acts with professionalism, discipline and restraint (unlike the Russians in the video on the other thread)?

Or do you just like to sit in front of your computer in North Queensland and fantasize about what a big man you'd be if somebody gave you a ship and a really big gun.

Fortunately, the adults (mostly) are running the show. Unfortunately, the desired effects are going to take longer than we'd like.
Theres a wild throw at getting off topic. Lets keep it to pirates was not even thinking of those evils when I typed this.

My view still stands as above about pirates. They are scum and deserve anything they get. If they live by the sword they can die by it.

 

johnnysaint

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The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.
Another armchair Admiral. Rambo in North Queensland.

Here are some other things that were done in the 17th and 18th century, and are not done today:

- buying slaves in Africa and shipping them in chains to the Carribean AND British Colonies in AMERICA WHERE AMERICANS TRADED IN THEM to work the sugar tobacco, indigo and riceplantations

- slave auctions

- hangings for petty theft

- transportation to a certain continent in the Southern hemisphere for vagrancy and prostitution YOU GOTTA PAY TO GET HERE NOW

- debtors prison

- work houses

- Sunday outings to the lunatic asylum

- punishment for treason: privy parts severed and stuffed in prisoner's mouth; hanged but not until dead; disemboweled and entails roasted; drawn, quartered and head served up for the King's pleasure

- women as husband's chattel property

- death penalty for buggery

- prisoners slaughtered on the field of battle or not, depending on the whim of the victorious commander; otherwise, held under horrendous conditions until ransomed or sold off as slaves

Do you think that maybe Western countries like yours and mine have decided to hold themselves to somewhat higher standards of civilized behavior then were exhibited during the time of Blackbeard? Do you think that the codification of International Law is really about political correctness? Are you not at least a little bit proud that your Navy acts with professionalism, discipline and restraint (unlike the Russians in the video on the other thread)?

Or do you just like to sit in front of your computer in North Queensland and fantasize about what a big man you'd be if somebody gave you a ship and a really big gun.

Fortunately, the adults (mostly) are running the show. Unfortunately, the desired effects are going to take longer than we'd like.
Much better to stick up for the murderous pirates who've killed innocent sailors just for a few bucks.
Not sticking up for them. Just not wanting to descend to their level. Or to the level of barbarism that existed at the time of the 17th/18th century Carribean piracy problem.

Again, this is why the adults are in charge.

And how many innocent seafarers have to die before those adults in charge do anything about the perpetrators?

 

johnnysaint

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And how many innocent seafarers have to die before those adults in charge do anything about the perpetrators?
Do anything? You mean like this or this or this or this? And of course, your Navy would be very welcome to join in.
It's been there for a while. And in action.

Edit. In case you didn't know NATO is North Atlantic organization, and we are in the Pacific/Indian/Southern oceans and not a part of NATO. Or EEC.

 
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Throatwarbler-Mangrove

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New England
The political correctness of this world if shitting me. Back in the day when Blackbeard was around pirates were just hung. Very simple no trial the captain of the navy ship would just string em up am hang them. If it was a big catch like a Blackbeard they may take them back to a major port and publicly hang them for all to see. But the result was still the same.

Now we got to spend thousand of dollars and give these low life's to give a fair trail. WTF. Just start shooting them on site. The word will soon get out and the volunteer rate will drop and piracy will no longer seem all it is cracked up to be.

This may have a effect of the pirates being more brutal but I think this is already happening with the sad loss last week of the 4 sailors.

Start sinking the boat they are travelling in let them swim back to the beach. All 600 miles back.

Show no mercy to piracy. At the moment it seems the tail is wagging the dog and they all get sent back to there homeland to just start again.
Another armchair Admiral. Rambo in North Queensland.

Here are some other things that were done in the 17th and 18th century, and are not done today:

- buying slaves in Africa and shipping them in chains to the Carribean to work the sugar plantations

- slave auctions

- hangings for petty theft

- transportation to a certain continent in the Southern hemisphere for vagrancy and prostitution

- debtors prison

- work houses

- Sunday outings to the lunatic asylum

- punishment for treason: privy parts severed and stuffed in prisoner's mouth; hanged but not until dead; disemboweled and entails roasted; drawn, quartered and head served up for the King's pleasure

- women as husband's chattel property

- death penalty for buggery

- prisoners slaughtered on the field of battle or not, depending on the whim of the victorious commander; otherwise, held under horrendous conditions until ransomed or sold off as slaves

Do you think that maybe Western countries like yours and mine have decided to hold themselves to somewhat higher standards of civilized behavior then were exhibited during the time of Blackbeard? Do you think that the codification of International Law is really about political correctness? Are you not at least a little bit proud that your Navy acts with professionalism, discipline and restraint (unlike the Russians in the video on the other thread)?

Or do you just like to sit in front of your computer in North Queensland and fantasize about what a big man you'd be if somebody gave you a ship and a really big gun.

Fortunately, the adults (mostly) are running the show. Unfortunately, the desired effects are going to take longer than we'd like.
Theres a wild throw at getting off topic. Lets keep it to pirates was not even thinking of those evils when I typed this.

My view still stands as above about pirates. They are scum and deserve anything they get. If they live by the sword they can die by it.
Let me spell it out for you. The instant death penalty for piracy in the late 17th/early 18th century was in the context of the overall barbarism of pre-Enlightenment European jurisprudence. The Western world has advanced since then, and one of the many things we no longer do is string up pirates without benefit of proper trials.

Now, just to be clear: the US Navy is in possession of 13 Somali nationals, some of whom murdered 4 US citizens on the high seas. IANAL, but from what I understand, since they were taken by the US Navy after an act of piracy against a US-flagged vessel, under International Law they can be charged under US law. I further understand that possible charges could include capital murder. If they are so charged and convicted in a US court, I fully support their execution in accordance with US law.

 

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