Not for nothing
Super Anarchist
Dogs kill more people in a year then shark and gator's do . but their fucking cute!
Pit Bulls Behaving Bad Again: Biggly Part III
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White Lightnin'
Super Anarchist
A pit bull is a dog that requires someone knowledgeable in how to train and handle it. Most, not all, owners don't seem to be.
I believe there is a certain "perception" that you are a badass if you own one, at least for some people. It a way to prove something. Not sure what. But most pits I have seen are not handled well and the owners seem indifferent. There are exceptions to every rule though.
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SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
Because they are uniquely strong and persistent. Why do you insist that a breed that has so many savage deaths and attacks on it's record should continue to be regarded as a suitable pet?
Or is it just a "tool"?
Blue Crab
benthivore
How many people bother to train any dog beyond house training? How many people know how to train their dogs to be aggressive? Or gentle? Dog owners as a group are apparently incapable of even training their dogs to heel and thus get pulled around the neighborhood. We've all seen this our whole lives.
But when it comes to mauling and killing smallish people, it's untrained/unsupervised pits in the news, time after time. I've been to the local shelter many times. It's Pit City. Gotta be a reason.
Steam Flyer
Sophisticated Yet Humble
A big part of that is news bias. It's a lot easier to report a pit bull than to do more research and find out what kind of dog it really was.
A lot of people own dogs who shouldn't.... that certainly includes people who seek out a pittie because they think it will make them look like a bad ass, and have little/no ability to train them. But almost any breed of dog bigger than the toy ones can inflict a fatal mauling on a person, given the wrong circumstances.
Not all dog owners are the same.
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NaptimeAgain
Super Anarchist
A firearm won't jump off the porch and over the fence to tear someone apart. If folks want to ban firearms they might start with relentlessly aggressive dog breeds.
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the breed is a big problem. idiot dog owners will exist as long as dogs of any breed exist.
you see, 99% of dog breeds (ie nearly all dog breeds aside from Pits, and a handful of others) when in the hands of idiot dog owners, do not result in a 9 year old being ripped to shreds as she tries to enjoy her afternoon. thus, these vicious beasts need to be eradicated.
get it?
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
I doubt it.
Dogs don't kill people, people kill people.
Right Guy?
Dogs don't kill people, people kill people.
Right Guy?
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A guy in the Chesapeake
Super Anarchist
Those traits don't make the dog aggressive or mean - it's the OWNERS that encourage those behaviors - and it's the OWNERS that do so that are the problem. I've been around dogs all my life, and I'm no expert trainer, though 20 years ago, I *did* spend $1500 and two weeks vacation to study under a gentleman who trained and bred champion field-trials Labs. My experience has been that like people, most dogs will do what's expected of them, regardless of breed.
Seems like those of you on the opposite side of this intend to blame an owner's personal irresponsibility on the dog. It's not the pup's fault. I've been frightened more by aggressive/protective Chessies, and believe it or not, regular poodles than I have any other breed.
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
I'm sure that will be of great comfort to the parents whose child was savaged to death by a bad owner.
Many Pitts are great dogs. Purebred dogs are selected for personality quirks, as any retriever or terrier owner knows. Pitts have a couple that make them very dangerous if a conflict occurs. Not only do they have incredible jaw strength, they don't quit. A Shepherd bites, stops half way through, gets scared it did the wrong thing, and drops the limb. The bite wound is serious, but nothing compared to what a dog of that size is physiologically able to achieve. A Pitt bites until the bone breaks, then regrips and bites again.
The other issue is their owners. They share a lot in common with firearm owners. They feel insecure and scared in their homes and don't trust law enforcement to keep them safe. They cannot afford a gated community or security company. They substitute dangerous dogs. They are white trash and gangsta wannabees, so they don't get the respect the guy with a few thousand dollars of guns does. The dog is working even when they are not home, unlike the gun.
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Cal20sailor
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Agree with everything Lark said but wanted to share a story.
I dated a woman that had a wonderful male pit and a female German shepherd. Although the pit was 3 and had been in the house since a pup, the GS (also raised there from a pup) was the Alpha when I met her at 1.5. One night, we gave them each a thigh bone from some kind of large animal. It was probably 10" by maybe 2" in diameter. I was engrossed in a book and they were each on an arm of a sectional gnawing away and after about an hour, I look at the GS that was next to me and notice that she's already put a little bit of a hollow in the bone. I look over at the pit and he's looking at me with a stupid look on his face. I couldn't understand why he wasn't working on his bone and then noticed that he was surrounded on the sectional by crumbs of bone...it was gone.
Incredible jaw strength doesn't even describe it. I thought GSs had strong jaws, they are wimps when compared to a pit.
That said, I was much more comfortable with her pit than the GS. BUT, the pit has so much more potential for harm.
dolphinmaster
Super Anarchist
Most dogs are BB guns, a pit is a .45, once it goes, it kills. They are one of the most focused, intense and intelligent bred dogs for the primary purpose of killing.
Yea some people can train them well, but thats certainly under 5% of the dog owning populace. That leaves a lot of .45's wandering around ready to go off at any moment, especially like the case of the Detroit Tragedy. No child anywhere on the planet should be taken down by killing pets. More than one increases the killing instinct. It doesn't matter how much love the owner thinks they have instilled in their perfect little pits.
Yea some people can train them well, but thats certainly under 5% of the dog owning populace. That leaves a lot of .45's wandering around ready to go off at any moment, especially like the case of the Detroit Tragedy. No child anywhere on the planet should be taken down by killing pets. More than one increases the killing instinct. It doesn't matter how much love the owner thinks they have instilled in their perfect little pits.
EquusAsinusDomesticus
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Dont know why i feel like i should comment here and take shit for my opinion, but i've had several pits (and other breeds as well including a 13 lb mutt)...They are incredibly strong and persistent and if you treat them in a way that makes them scared/aggressive they do have the physical ability to fuck up most anything. Theyre not the right dog for a lot of people, but a lot of them are excellent dogs. Most of the myths about pits are very untrue. The only truth is that they are wildly strong animals (and yes, they are animals...if people treat them like a baby/child that's harmful) and a wildly strong animal has the ability to act animalistically. Our current dog (80 lb pit/boxer/mastiff) was severely abused as a puppy by people raising him to fight and he's terrified of most things. Perfect dog at home or on the boat where he feels safe, but he's never off leash and we don't let him near other dogs/people or especially little kids unless it's in a controlled way. It took about a year of constant/focused training to get him comfortable and safe. I do have to say, he's on the upper end of sketchy pitbulls, but we've never even come close to a dangerous situation and with a lot of work he's totally cool now. We spend 2-3 hours/week on training and he gets to run/walk 7-8 miles/day.
A lot of people shouldnt have dogs at all for their sake, the dog's sake and the people/animals around them. And of the remaining portion of people, a lot shouldnt have strong dogs (like pits, rotts, shepherds, wolf breeds etc). In the same way a lot of people on this earth shouldn't have children because they're neglected/raised to be dangerous shitheads...A well trained pitbull is an amazing dog. A well trained dog of any breed is a great dog. A dog neglected/abused/trained to kill of any breed is dangerous, the same dog that's 80 pounds of solid muscle can kill but it doesnt come out of nowhere.
A lot of people shouldnt have dogs at all for their sake, the dog's sake and the people/animals around them. And of the remaining portion of people, a lot shouldnt have strong dogs (like pits, rotts, shepherds, wolf breeds etc). In the same way a lot of people on this earth shouldn't have children because they're neglected/raised to be dangerous shitheads...A well trained pitbull is an amazing dog. A well trained dog of any breed is a great dog. A dog neglected/abused/trained to kill of any breed is dangerous, the same dog that's 80 pounds of solid muscle can kill but it doesnt come out of nowhere.
Blue Crab
benthivore
In Pitt County no less:
NC deputies fatally shoot attacking dog during arrest: cops | Charlotte ...
https://www.charlotteobserver.com › state › north-carolina › article234425542
6 hours ago - A suspect in eastern North Carolina set his dog on deputies as they approached his home on Sunday, media outlets reported. ... Law enforcement officials in Pitt County were arresting Stanley Tyson, 27, on domestic violence-related charges when the dog, described as a pit bull, charged ...
NC deputies fatally shoot attacking dog during arrest: cops | Charlotte ...
https://www.charlotteobserver.com › state › north-carolina › article234425542
6 hours ago - A suspect in eastern North Carolina set his dog on deputies as they approached his home on Sunday, media outlets reported. ... Law enforcement officials in Pitt County were arresting Stanley Tyson, 27, on domestic violence-related charges when the dog, described as a pit bull, charged ...
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Nobody knows what really happened here, probably just a bad owner, but great dog once again:
https://www.nj.com/cape-may-county/2019/08/fundraiser-will-aid-11-year-old-who-lost-nose-in-wildwood-beach-pit-bull-attack.html
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ITS HAPPENED AGAIN
https://www.nj.com/cape-may-county/2019/08/fundraiser-will-aid-11-year-old-who-lost-nose-in-wildwood-beach-pit-bull-attack.html
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ITS HAPPENED AGAIN
Blue Crab
benthivore
Your experience is unique or I've missed all those stories about Chessies and standard poodles mauling people. Can you offer anything other than cautious optimism? Like stats?
Blue Crab
benthivore
News bias. Good one.
Gotta cite for that? That's like saying all dogs look alike. Amirite?
SloopJonB
Super Anarchist
I remember an episode of Law & Order that had a better solution.
A gangster with a pit on a chain leash was being confronted prior to being arrested. The dog was snarling and lunging at the end of his leash.
One of the cops showed the gun in his hand and said "If Spuds moves, you're history".
