Poling the Electorate

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Repastinate Tom said:
Poling Tulsi

Well, and Steyer, but who wants to think about that?
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Yea, that's a bummer.

When it comes to power politics, both parties use the same playbook.  Republicans will screw their supporters and hand them a bus schedule to go home, democrats will screw them and call them an Uber - but in either case, you're going to get screwed.

 
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cmilliken said:
Yea, that's a bummer.

When it comes to power politics, both parties use the same playbook.  Republicans will screw their supporters and hand them a bus schedule to go home, democrats will screw them and call them an Uber - but in either case, you're going to get screwed.
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Abso-fucking-lutely! Your democracy is bought and sold to the highest bidder.$-)) Be sure to vote.  :lol:

 
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Sean said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/28/first-time-ever-there-are-fewer-registered-republicans-than-independents/

New data from Ballot Access News, which tracks registrations in the 31 states that require voters to register by party, show that independents now account for 29.09 percent of voters in them, compared to 28.87 percent for Republicans. As recently as 2004, Republicans outpaced independents by nearly 10 percentage points.

There are still way more registered Democrats; 39.66 percent are registered with that party.
This marks the first time since party registration began in the early 1900s that the number of registered independents in the United States has surpassed either major political party, according to Ballot Access News.
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Sean thought this didn't deserve a new thread but I think it already has one.

I'll suggest once again that restricting the post-primary Presidential debates to the Duopoly candidates is poling the electorate. An increasing percentage of us, it seems.

The counter argument is "but we can't have a zoo with dozens of contenders."

To which I'd say two things:

1. TeamD just did and it wasn't the end of the world.

2. There's already an all too easy way to eliminate most people: allow those with a mathematical chance of getting enough electoral votes. Restrictive ballot access laws in most states will eliminate most competition, which is, of course, the point of those laws.

I think ballot access should be easier, which would tend to negate that method, but it would work for now and we can always find new ways of poling the electorate if those laws are ever relaxed.

 
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MR.CLEAN said:
Have you done anything about it?
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Why yes, of course. I don't wish to toot my own horn, but since you asked, I got an INTERNATIONAL MEDIA reporter on a sailing forum interested in the topic. I don't think he's pink flag-equipped, but it's still a pretty major accomplishment, don't you think?

 
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looking from the outside

it is the chronic lack of swing voters that is the major impediment to a third party  (or anything but the major 2 parties getting any headway at all )

cause at the moment  it would make very little difference to the total vote if they put up

the baseball players owner

or

the baseball player

or

the baseball

as the candidate

if you want to know what party he is going to vote for .. ask his grandfather what party he voted for

 
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Sean said:
I object that my post has been hijacked. 
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Heh. HTFU video to aisle two, please.

Why do you object? I think the increasing alienation of Americans by the Duopoly parties is relevant to the Commission on Presidential Debates poling the electorate, so I brought your post here.

I suppose I could have just linked the article and pasted the quote without acknowledging that I got it thanks to you. How would that be better?

 
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A debate matchup both Biden and Trump should fear
 

The progressive presidential hopeful who wants to defund the police state and replace walls with turnstiles at the U.S. border isn’t Joe Biden.

The gun-toting, tax-slashing swashbuckler railing against Medicare for All and singing capitalism’s praises isn’t Donald Trump.

Only one candidate can simultaneously outflank Democrats on the left and attack Republicans from the right while somehow seeming more moderate than either side’s septuagenarian standard-bearer. Meet Jo Jorgensen, the Libertarian Party’s 2020 presidential nominee.

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Unless she can reach the 15% mark in national presidential polls, Jorgensen will be absent when Biden and Trump square off in the first presidential debate on Sept. 29. The goal doesn’t sound insurmountable, but it’s a high bar to clear when some pollsters exclude third-party candidates from their questionnaires.

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To the extent that voters have even been asked about her, Jorgensen is polling between 1 and 5%, with an average of 2.6%

 
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Jo Jorgensen Beating the Poling Spread in 4 States; Each Voted for Trump in 2016

The Poling Spreads might be a good rock band name.
 

Four weeks before Election Day, third-party presidential candidates continue to lag in the polls compared to the spike year of 2016, when 5.7 percent of the electorate went nontraditional for POTUS. In the RealClearPolitics average of the last five national polls, Libertarian Jo Jorgensen sits at just 2 percent, while the Green Party's Howie Hawkins is at a temporarily high 1.4 percent that will revert closer to 1 once the next poll rolls over. (Also, if Hawkins, in the face of near-fanatical Democratic voter motivation this year, tops 2016 nominee Jill Stein's 1.1 percent, I will eat a Dodgers hat on live television.)

Still, there remains potential yet for Libertarians and even Greens to be labeled "spoilers" depending on how this high-intensity election plays out. Jorgensen is polling higher than the gap between President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee Joe Biden in four key states, each of which Trump won in 2016: Ohio and North Carolina, where Biden currently leads, and Iowa and Georgia, where the incumbent retains a tiny advantage.

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TeamD didn't put up a challenger to Senator Tom Cotton but TeamL did and he's polling at 38%.

Tom Cotton Won't Debate Him
 

Sen. Tom Cotton (R–Ark.) is ducking a chance to debate his Libertarian challenger, even as a new poll shows the race tightening in the final weeks of what could be a rough election season for Republicans.

The debate, scheduled to be broadcast by Arkansas' PBS station on Wednesday night, will take place even without Cotton's participation. That means it will basically be an hour-long opportunity for Ricky Dale Harrington, Jr., to speak directly to the voters who will decide next month whether Cotton deserves another six years in the Senate.

Cotton, who has emerged in recent years as one of the loudest voices in the GOP's ascendant authoritarian nationalist wing, appeared to be heading for an easy reelection bid when the only Democrat to enter the race dropped out late last year.

Enter Harrington, a 34-year-old prison chaplain running a campaign that gives voters about as stark a choice as they are likely to find in any two-way contest this year. Where Cotton has claimed that America has an "under-incarceration problem" and called for deploying more heavy-handed police tactics against protesters, Harrington wants to reduce mandatory minimums and demilitarize the police. That contrast would provide fertile ground for serious debate between the two men—if Cotton would agree to show up.

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He might appear a bit on the immature and volatile side to some people but I wish him well.

 
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