Putin is losing his war badly, so bad he threatened nukes. What should the response be if he does?

phillysailor

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I’m kinda laughing at the concept that the referendums are for foreign consumption. No one in the world accepts Russian occupation as legitimate, and Putin wasn’t looking to legitimate his actions in any country’s eyes, not really.

His invasion is taking land by brute force, and if he succeeds, it will not because of some sham voting, but because his troops are occupiers.

The referendums are for domestic politics. He wants to paint the Ukrainians as aggressors, the west as attacking mother Russia and to change the rules regarding use of conscripts in combat zones.

If the motherland is under attack, his freedom to maneuver and dictate is greatly enhanced, up to and including forms of martial law.

He will declare himself a wartime president, getting rid of the inanae “special action” verbiage, and call upon all patriotic Russians to defend their country.

Russia does have elections in the not-to-distant future, and those would be suspended in a time of emergency if needs dictate.

Saves Putin a lot of bother.
 
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shaggybaxter

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Whilst the West makes the appropriate diplomatic warning noises, I would make it categorically clear that half the nations on the planet would dedicate their enormous resource pool and however many years it took to hunt him down and rub him out of existence. Vow to utterly ruin his entire way of life, recommend he approach Bin Laden's minders to give him some pointers.
Bullies get bullying. Stay in your borders and live. Escalate or continue and don't.
 
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phillysailor

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One of the reasons Putin wins elections is voter apathy.

After the ballot stuffing and other electoral irregularities no one trusts the election system. Any competent rival is subject to sidelining, imprisoning and killing. Putin largely controls the media and so dominates discussions voters see and hear.

But being seen to fail at what he promised was a simple “special operation” and having ruined his economy while increasing the threat from NATO leaves him vulnerable to public protests and recalcitrant oligarchs, bureaucrats and politicians.

Staying on top is a high wire act, and having more cards to play becomes second nature.

A war to protect the fatherland from outside aggressors gives him an excuse to go full dictator.
 
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I’m kinda laughing at the concept that the referendums are for foreign consumption. No one in the world accepts Russian occupation as legitimate, and Putin wasn’t looking to legitimate his actions in any country’s eyes, not really.

His invasion is taking land by brute force, and if he succeeds, it will not because of some sham voting, but because his troops are occupiers.

The referendums are for domestic politics. He wants to paint the Ukrainians as aggressors, the west as attacking mother Russia and to change the rules regarding use of conscripts in combat zones.

If the motherland is under attack, his freedom to maneuver and dictate is greatly enhanced, up to and including forms of martial law.

He will declare himself a wartime president, getting rid of the inanae “special action” verbiage, and call upon all patriotic Russians to defend their country.

Russia does have elections in the not-to-distant future, and those would be suspended in a time of emergency if needs dictate.

Saves Putin a lot of bother.
We agree
 
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And risk someone even crazier stepping up to fill his shoes?
 

Chris in Santa Cruz CA

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china is backing Putin because they see if Putin goes away its pretty likely the replacement will bend more towards the west and their cheap energy goes away and they loose a fellow bully on the world economic playground and a key ally on the UN sec council
 

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china is backing Putin because they see if Putin goes away its pretty likely the replacement will bend more towards the west and their cheap energy goes away and they loose a fellow bully on the world economic playground and a key ally on the UN sec council
Agreed but if he drops even a tactical nuke, China will be just as fucked. They are already on the ropes economically. A nuclear conflict would break them... I expect old Xi is on the phone to Vlad saying WTF dude.
 

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