Quitting smoking (almost) 1 year in.

[Mid]

and hospitals .....................

 

[mikewof]

and hospitals .....................

It was rude to ask someone not to smoke near kids in the hospital waiting room. Just yesterday, my son and I were sitting outside on a ledge throwing rocks down a hill, and a guy sat down a good  thirty feet away, and before lighting up, he asked me "okay if I smoke?" I didn't even comprehend it for a moment, we were outside, he was nowhere near me, why did he ask? It's different.

But I think we're seeing the calm before the storm with vaping, because we still have a residual connection of the dangers of smoking and vaping looks like smoking. But it isn't smoking, it might not only be harmless, but with the right ingredients it might be healthy.

I can see all kinds of nutritional supplements and medicines delivered by disposable vape pens because it seems a far better way to get stuff into the bloodstream quickly and reliably. A pill or a hypodermic can't report back to the internet via Bluetooth how much medicine was delivered to a patient, but a vape pen can do exactly that ... it can measure how hard and for how long, how often the patient inhaled. Some emotionally ill patient is suddenly getting erratic with his antidepressant inhales? The pen can report back to the doctor, maybe the treatment can be adjusted. The asthmatic or COPD is suddenly self-medicating with the pen ten times more than usual to keep breathing? The pen can report back to the doctor, then maybe even add some steroids to the inhales until the patient can get some help. Diabetic not inhaling the insulin sufficiently? The pen might be able to measure the blood sugar from CO2 levels on the exhale.

And unlike pills, an encrypted, connected pen could eliminate counterfeit or out-of-country meds, big pharma would shoot a load to get that. Inhaled medicines can act faster and more reliably then edible meds. 

It's obvious that the pharma industry is already working on this. Nothing less than fucking Foxconn, the iPhone builder, is making vape systems. They see the writing on the wall to be able to make that kind of investment.

In my town, there are weed shops and vape shops. The two are different, vape shops don't sell weed, but weed shops sell vapes. I suspect that in twenty years, the weed shops will be mostly gone, with weed sold at every corner shop. While the vape shops will be the new pharmacies.

 

[Rasputin22]

Mike, 

    Hope you aren' using a Rock-E vape pen.

 

[mustang__1]

still clean here too... course, i also still never started. 

 

[moon unit]

Just over 3 years now..

Haven't picked one up or even had a puff of one in that time.

The very rare craving is easy to get over.

Gotta say, they stink and I can't believe I ever did it in the first place..

 

[shaggy]

While I was smoking, I recall lighting up in other people's homes!   Faaaaaarkkk!

Heck, I remember my mom and dad smoking on the plane (her cigs, Benson and hedges menthol lights, and pop smoking a pipe) on the way to Europe, I was 10...  Heck, Even when I went to NZ (93) after graduation, the back of the plane was smoking and by far, the smokers in the back were a ton more interesting than the general population.  At that point, I think it was only allowed on intl flights.

 

[Steam Flyer]

....   ...

But I think we're seeing the calm before the storm with vaping, because we still have a residual connection of the dangers of smoking and vaping looks like smoking. But it isn't smoking, it might not only be harmless, but with the right ingredients it might be healthy.

AYFKM?

I used to think you were smart. Vaping isn't harmless?

You need to stop hitting yourself in the head with a brick. It'll get better if you stop, honest

The problem with vaping as a delivery for medication is that there are no medications whose combustion products are the medicine.

-DSK

 

[DA-WOODY]

quitting is easy .......................

I've done it plenty of times

7 yrs plus this time so here's hoping .

never think you can just have one ...............................

shit is worse than smack .

Neighbor had a dog that went CooCoo for CatShit 

fresher the better

could never stop because ................. 

same as cigarettes , but a dog who ate Cat shit outside pollutes a much smaller area while doing so

if anyone can imagine anything desirable about that habit they have Not Yet woke up

I'm not telling anyone to quit (works the opposite) But I do see anyone smoking one to be holding and making love to a Cat Shit

It's NOT Hollywood 1937 anymore

The WORD is OUT !!

 

[mikewof]

AYFKM?

I used to think you were smart. Vaping isn't harmless?

You need to stop hitting yourself in the head with a brick. It'll get better if you stop, honest

The problem with vaping as a delivery for medication is that there are no medications whose combustion products are the medicine.

-DSK

I'm willing to learn here, I don't know much about it.

I thought that with vape, the main agent is the vegetable oil with a little bit of propylene glycol, both FDA GRAS. Then the active agents (i.e. Nicotine, caffeine, flavoring, medication) is added in trace amounts, like micrograms.

So I don't know what effect vaporized vegetable oil has on alveoli ... I would like to know though. Is it harmful? Harmless? Helpful?

But delivery for medication ... the energy to vaporize the oil -- I'm told -- is way, way below the combustion point of the active ingredient. It's kind of obvious the efficiency of the system, you have a tiny, watch battery that can run the vape for hours, it just powers a little piezoelectric vibrator that oscillates at the right frequency to break the surface energy of the oil molecules. I think it must modulate the bulk surface right near the Kelvin barrier. That's nowhere in the energy domain of combustion.

Also, asthmatics and COPD patients have been using nearly identical piezoelectric vape systems for delivery of their medicines, and they've been doing it for years. Those systems don't denature the albuterol and the steroids, they just deliver them in the mist. The big difference though is that those systems mist with water rather than oil.

 

[floating dutchman]

piezoelectric vape

You are right, you don't know much about it.

Every Vape machine I've seen uses a heating coil, A watch battery would last all of 30 seconds.  They use good old fashion heat to create the vape.

 

[burndoc]

I remember in the 80's lighting up at work, in the office, at the office table, in a open office with my work colleagues - anti smoking campaigners would freak the fuck out if they saw that today. But we all did it back then, and no one seemed to give a fuck. Smoke filled office rooms were as common as smoke filled pubs.  Now both are ancient history.

i remember when you could smoke in hospitals. Mid 80's in Philly. Duke was one of last to go smoke free

 

[mikewof]

You are right, you don't know much about it.

Every Vape machine I've seen uses a heating coil, A watch battery would last all of 30 seconds.  They use good old fashion heat to create the vape.

Tomato, tomahto. There has to be heat involved because of the latent heat of vaporization, from the bulk liquid to the vapor. If that's made with piezo or a heating wick, the efficiency is limited by the thermodynamics of the surface energy. I know that some atomizers use piezo because I've taken them apart. But, yeah if my little Infinix uses a heater then it still uses much less energy than combustion. The molecules are being broken away from the surface, not too many of them can be chemically altered at that temperature.

I'm going to take apart a disposable pen, the battery can't be very large in that.

 

[Steam Flyer]

Tomato, tomahto. There has to be heat involved because of the latent heat of vaporization, from the bulk liquid to the vapor. If that's made with piezo or a heating wick, the efficiency is limited by the thermodynamics of the surface energy. I know that some atomizers use piezo because I've taken them apart. But, yeah if my little Infinix uses a heater then it still uses much less energy than combustion. The molecules are being broken away from the surface, not too many of them can be chemically altered at that temperature.

I'm going to take apart a disposable pen, the battery can't be very large in that.

I think that an atomizer might be a good idea but all the "vapes" I've been exposed to are burning nicotine oil. It's just like the smoke of a cigarette, only concentrated. Electric heater (even a tiny one) creating smoke = combustion

-DSK

 

[Ishmael]

i remember when you could smoke in hospitals. Mid 80's in Philly. Duke was one of last to go smoke free

Late seventies in Canada, I had a private room and the nurses hated me because I smoked Gauloises. I was in for quite a while, so it must have taken a lot to get the stench out.

 

[mikewof]

I think that an atomizer might be a good idea but all the "vapes" I've been exposed to are burning nicotine oil. It's just like the smoke of a cigarette, only concentrated. Electric heater (even a tiny one) creating smoke = combustion

-DSK

I thought that the energy needed is too low to actually combust anything, but again, I still don't know enough about this.

When I combust a little oil, say on the stove, it leaves a heavy, noticeable smell. But the oil vapor off of the vape pen isn't even detectable once it dissipates. It seems a much lower energy kind of thing. And the vapor is noticeably cool compared to hot smoke.

 

[Frayed Knot Arts]

Since 10/2009 for me, used the patch for two stages and managed to kill off a 2 pack a day/50 year habit.

That's an equivalent, of course, as there were cigars and pipes as alternates (all inhaled) when SWMBO became activistic about smoking in the house.

She WAS right...we had to "Kilz" the place twice to get rid of the Tar-Yellow before painting. Can only imagine what I looked like inside.   It's pleasant to lay down at night and not listen to the "concertina music" of my lungs trying to perform their function.

If you're trying to stop, get a quit-buddy and USE him or her.

 

[TPG]

Just over 3 years now..

Haven't picked one up or even had a puff of one in that time.

The very rare craving is easy to get over.

Gotta say, they stink and I can't believe I ever did it in the first place..

Couple of my employees smoke, they ask if I want one now and then. I laugh at them then go militant.

The vaping (douche flute) shit is just obnoxious IMO. 

 

[floating dutchman]

  

I think that an atomizer might be a good idea but all the "vapes" I've been exposed to are burning nicotine oil. It's just like the smoke of a cigarette, only concentrated. Electric heater (even a tiny one) creating smoke = combustion

-DSK

I thought that the energy needed is too low to actually combust anything, but again, I still don't know enough about this.

When I combust a little oil, say on the stove, it leaves a heavy, noticeable smell. But the oil vapor off of the vape pen isn't even detectable once it dissipates. It seems a much lower energy kind of thing. And the vapor is noticeably cool compared to hot smoke. 

The vape I use, I'm fairly sure just sort of boils off the juice.

Definitely no combustion going on.

 

[bplipschitz]

Understatement of the decade, nicotine is like the fingers of heaven massaging the cerebral cortex.

I assumed it's harmful though. I don't understand all of this.

You also asked about the vape juice.  While most carriers (last I read) are propylene and triethylene glycol, and those have very low toxicity, I cannot image that huffing large quantities of the vapor can do wonderful things to your lungs/body/blood over time.  I am not a doctor, but I am a chemist.

Note that nicotinic acid is the active ingredient in Black Flag insecticide (nicotine and nicotinic acid are not the same thing, but close enough for me).

 

[Steam Flyer]

  

I think that an atomizer might be a good idea but all the "vapes" I've been exposed to are burning nicotine oil. It's just like the smoke of a cigarette, only concentrated. Electric heater (even a tiny one) creating smoke = combustion

-DSK

I thought that the energy needed is too low to actually combust anything, but again, I still don't know enough about this.

When I combust a little oil, say on the stove, it leaves a heavy, noticeable smell. But the oil vapor off of the vape pen isn't even detectable once it dissipates. It seems a much lower energy kind of thing. And the vapor is noticeably cool compared to hot smoke. 

The vape I use, I'm fairly sure just sort of boils off the juice.

Definitely no combustion going on.

I would have been fairly sure that all the vaping I see, there -is- combustion. But you & Wofsey may be right, I don't know for sure.

And the smell definitely lingers in the same way tobacco smoke does....... gets in the hair, on clothes, car headliners, furniture (if you do it indoors) etc etc. Ask a non-smoker / non-vaper

-DSK