R2AK 2022

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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All the leaders are monohulls this year. Better suited for sailing in a sea of logs?
The GP26 (Wraith) is holding its own on the inside against larger monos and multis. Currently, anyway! (Second pic is a picture of a wraith, which I had to look up, after reading their team profile...)

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Airwick

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The log-problem is special to this race - stronger bows - maybe with som crash zone that can recower after an impakt. Rudders and daggers can be retractable. Slow down the pace at night can work - or avoid the problem by going outside. A catamaran like the Shockwave 37 or TRT1200 should be strong enough to take the impacts -they are also drier to sail and can carry more load/people but not as fast as Dragon SC30 or M32 .... but significant faster than the monos in the race and also faster than the Corsairs/Farriers involved.

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Are these really faster than an F31R?
I can see that in rough conditioms but what about in less than 5kt?

One common issue with multies in this race as well seems to be overloading.
Going solo is a bit extreme but I do feel like I've demonstrated just how much of a difference it can make in a variety of conditions.
I was able to sail in light breeze past boats that were "motorsailing" and get out in the straight first that way, and stay close enough to get back, and was pacing the 31s in the big breeze of leg1 so I think it's a bigger factor than most realize.
The theory that you are not stressing the boat as much and can sail harder with less risk of breaking stuff isn't quite as conclusively demonstrated but logs are interfering with the data...

In order to be self reliant you need to carry more "stuff" than most races but most boats seem "overcrewded" to me. It seem to work ok for monos (SLAG comes to mind) bu I don't think it's a winning proposition for multies.

Going back to the topic, the emerging tech solutions are interesting but not sure they are quite there yet?
Round the world attempts are not done with the expectation to maintain performance after an impact so "roll the dice and hope for the best" appears to still be the leading strategy and Randy had shown it can work here too but it does require some luck (i.e. even more than other strategies).

At least it gives the underdogs a chance by ensuring you can't reliably "buy" a win by outspending the competition, which makes things more interesting to watch!
 
From a comment on team pocket rockets insta

'Well. It was great to meet team pocket rocket. Sorry it wasn't under better circumstances for you guys. That being said it was a fun recovery to help you with. Glad we got you upright. For those wondering the boat ended up being compromised by the pedal propeller going through the port window as the boat went over. This filled the cabin and in turn the port pontoon. This made self rescue impossible. Hope the rest of the damage is easily fixed. All the best. James Mole. -Rescue Specialist- -Canadian Coast Guard-'

Class act.
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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You know Jonathan gets solid weather routing. The overnight track showing them on the long starboard tack getting further offshore to avoid the dying breeze near land...all standard fare, but what winners do...priceless. Go PNW!
This would seem to be against the rules —or against the spirit of the rules anyway— at least to my mind. Didn’t know you could have routing. From the rules: “R2AK was created to reduce the constructs to a bare minimum, trusting in the self-reliance, seamanship, and honor of our participants rather than relying on enforcement of an artificial body of rules.”

“Rule 3: Travel Unsupported​

This means no support boats, no food drops, no guy you call for information or that other guy you hired to stand on the shore and hand you cups of Gatorade. The deal is that you can have help along the way, just nothing you pre-arranged and whatever you do has to be available to the other racers too.”
 

ProaSailor

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Going back to the topic, the emerging tech solutions are interesting but not sure they are quite there yet?
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At least it gives the underdogs a chance by ensuring you can't reliably "buy" a win by outspending the competition, which makes things more interesting to watch!
I met a guy in the 1998 Baja Ha-Ha (Doug Hawkins sailing a MacGregor 65) who had a night vision monocular device that was AMAZING! As I recall, it cost around $1K at the time (24 years ago!), which I considered affordable given the vast improvement at seeing floating objects in the water. A quick check on Google shows a wide array of similar devices now at much lower cost.

The "underdogs" in this race are paddling, not sailing, and have no chance of winning overall. The Bieker Riptide 44 leading the fleet (Team Pure and Wild) demonstrates that money can indeed "buy a win", or at least be a huge factor in buying a winning boat.
 

ProaSailor

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As I recall, current through Seymour Narrows floods south (adverse) and ebbs north (favorable).

Saturday June 18, 2022
Sat -- 12:07 AM -11.48 knots Max Ebb
Sat -- 12:56 AM Moonrise
Sat -- 03:25 AM 0.00 knots Slack
Sat -- 05:10 AM Sunrise
Sat -- 05:55 AM 6.77 knots Max Flood
Sat -- 08:36 AM -0.01 knots Slack
Sat -- 10:05 AM Moonset
Sat -- 11:56 AM -10.07 knots Max Ebb
Sat -- 02:52 PM 0.00 knots Slack
Sat -- 06:15 PM 12.71 knots Max Flood
Sat -- 09:34 PM Sunset
Sat -- 09:47 PM -0.00 knots Slack

Sunday June 19, 2022
Sun -- 12:57 AM -11.09 knots Max Ebb
Sun -- 01:19 AM Moonrise
Sun -- 04:19 AM 0.00 knots Slack
Sun -- 05:11 AM Sunrise
Sun -- 06:55 AM 6.77 knots Max Flood
Sun -- 09:42 AM -0.00 knots Slack
Sun -- 11:29 AM Moonset
Sun -- 12:55 PM -8.88 knots Max Ebb
Sun -- 03:48 PM 0.00 knots Slack
Sun -- 07:11 PM 11.14 knots Max Flood
Sun -- 09:34 PM Sunset
Sun -- 10:35 PM -0.02 knots Slack

Monday June 20, 2022
Mon -- 01:37 AM Moonrise
Mon -- 01:50 AM -10.67 knots Max Ebb
Mon -- 05:11 AM Sunrise
Mon -- 05:14 AM 0.00 knots Slack
Mon -- 07:59 AM 7.03 knots Max Flood
Mon -- 10:55 AM -0.02 knots Slack
Mon -- 12:48 PM Moonset
Mon -- 01:59 PM -7.80 knots Max Ebb
Mon -- 04:52 PM 0.00 knots Slack
Mon -- 08:09 PM 9.59 knots Max Flood
Mon -- 08:11 PM Last Quarter
Mon -- 09:34 PM Sunset
Mon -- 11:24 PM -0.00 knots Slack
 

munt

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I don't see the 44 foot mono being particularly more "money" than Malolo or a high quality F-boat. As in most races of this kind it is (so far) a combination of good judgement, skill, the right tool for the job and good luck that is prevailing. This much carnage from logs has never happened before, in hindsight the faster multis would have certainly gone outside and most likely been at the pointy end of the fleet now. Just like Alex Thompson wouldn't have snapped off his foil on Hugo Boss.
 

ProaSailor

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I don't see the 44 foot mono being particularly more "money" than Malolo or a high quality F-boat.
I didn't say that. My point was that money is a factor in winning.

P.S. Looks like a trimaran will be first through Seymour Narrows, Team Lost but Dont Care, a Corsair Sprint 750.
P.P.S. No! Team High Seas Drifters, an Olson 30 monohull from Montana appears to be first through Seymour Narrows.
(Team Lost but Dont Care is second through?)
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boomer

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Every June and July every other week are minus low tides, plus the moon wobble, known lunar nodal cycle - which has happened regularly since early 20th Century, when it occurred yearly. Then it increased to a 18.6 year wobble, now it happens every 12-13 years, with the last tides this low/high in 2009. Which shows it's returning closer to the yearly cycle a century ago. The low pressure system, increased these recent "King Tides", as they got a boost from the low pressure weather, that lessened the weight of air pressure pushing the sea down, resulting in two feet higher tides then predicted. Low pressure systems, along with high tides, result in even more flooding. Also of note - Global warming isn't helping the problem - the average sea level has risen 8" in the PNW as it has globally. - So a combination of more then a couple factors.

Lunar ‘wobble’ gets attention but sea levels are the problem
 
That’s totally amazing! It was pretty light for the first eight hours this year so I’m not sure that would have been possible on any boat.



Lots have races have been cancelled due to the pandemic, but Dragon has been out for a few events, including Swiftsure a couple of weeks ago, which they won for the multis. LOTS of logs in the water then too. In Swiftsure we had to take major evasive action to steer around bow-crushing logs at least once an hour, and this doesn’t include the smaller stuff.

The Farriers definitely aren’t in the same category as Dragon or your M32 in terms of speed, but they meet their design brief very well. That said, isn’t EVERY boat a cruising boat compared to your boat?

And the boats around here are pretty old compared to your neck of the woods. Didn’t you know that this is where old boats come to die?!?!?
We double handed my F28R this year in Swiftsure against Dragon, 2 F31s, an F82 and an F27. Dragon is well sailed and in a league by itself .. like the Formula40 Dragonfly, or the M32. Dragon was finishing almost before any other multis hit the turning mark. We beat the other F boats through the water, but only cause we pushed hard - eventually stuffed all 3 bows in and had to blow off all the sheets. R2AK is always an interesting race to observe. It was always going to require a no mistake run up the inside to beat Jonathon, Matt & Alyosha in my mind! Am surprised that the Vegimite Vigilantes aren't further up the track, but if you are on a multi and still in the race, that is saying something for R2AK2022! Still a long way to go up the inside! Uffda!
 

40Plus

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Are these really faster than an F31R?
I can see that in rough conditioms but what about in less than 5kt?

One common issue with multies in this race as well seems to be overloading.
Going solo is a bit extreme but I do feel like I've demonstrated just how much of a difference it can make in a variety of conditions.
I was able to sail in light breeze past boats that were "motorsailing" and get out in the straight first that way, and stay close enough to get back, and was pacing the 31s in the big breeze of leg1 so I think it's a bigger factor than most realize.
The theory that you are not stressing the boat as much and can sail harder with less risk of breaking stuff isn't quite as conclusively demonstrated but logs are interfering with the data...

In order to be self reliant you need to carry more "stuff" than most races but most boats seem "overcrewded" to me. It seem to work ok for monos (SLAG comes to mind) bu I don't think it's a winning proposition for multies.

Going back to the topic, the emerging tech solutions are interesting but not sure they are quite there yet?
Round the world attempts are not done with the expectation to maintain performance after an impact so "roll the dice and hope for the best" appears to still be the leading strategy and Randy had shown it can work here too but it does require some luck (i.e. even more than other strategies).

At least it gives the underdogs a chance by ensuring you can't reliably "buy" a win by outspending the competition, which makes things more interesting to watch!
Absolutely agree with the overloading, I believe we discussed this on the dock before the start. That said we were diligently counting ounces we added and were very minimalistic with what carried onboard.
 

40Plus

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I don't see the 44 foot mono being particularly more "money" than Malolo or a high quality F-boat. As in most races of this kind it is (so far) a combination of good judgement, skill, the right tool for the job and good luck that is prevailing. This much carnage from logs has never happened before, in hindsight the faster multis would have certainly gone outside and most likely been at the pointy end of the fleet now. Just like Alex Thompson wouldn't have snapped off his foil on Hugo Boss.
Again, with forecast we received just before the start good judgement dictated not dealing with 35knt off the West Coast near Brooks.

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Airwick

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I didn't say that. My point was that money is a factor in winning.
Obviously it is, like most things in life. My point was that it's not enough and a race like this leaves a lot of uncertainty even for well funded and prepared efforts (ask @40Plus )... And this leaves room for what you would expect to be "mid packers" to end up at/near the top!
 

Stingray~

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One day I arrived at high school in N Seattle, fashionably late as usual.., and a long-haired kid was out in the parking lot also on his way in. He had opened up the enormous trunk of his beat up, gold-colored '72 Nova to grab his bag of books and I noticed their were a bunch of sail bags in there. So I asked what they were and this kid Charlie McKee said, 'They are my 505's!' I said 'Nice that you have your priorities right.' He grinned and said 'What are you doing after school?' I said, 'Am gonna start racing 505's, apparently!' Got to know that family well, we raced together through UW too; the family were not at all pretentious, they just loved sailing.
 
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I'm not rooting for any particular boat, rather all of them.

Some interesting entries:

Team Goldfinch on a Ranger 20 are doing very well considering the boat. I came close to buying one but my sailing instructor nixed it as not being not enough boat for the Columbia Gorge. She was right, I still like the R 20 but the Santana 22 she ordered me to get is brilliant in 30+ knots against the current. Thanks, Letha.

Team Interstice. Isn't this the gal that did the portage in the WA360? Rowing solo to AK is impressive.

Dark Star. I have to wonder if this is an emotional healing journey rather than a race. Our thought are with you.

Malolo. A weapon, but this course demands a vessel that can endure primitive conditions. My understanding is the crew had slowed way the heck down, which is hard to do on a glory ride, and were disabled in spite of that. Ouch.
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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Something looks wrong on Pure and Wild. Been going less than a knot and windy is showing wind!
Solander Island station just off Brooks Peninsula, just south of where they are now, reported NW 10 kts at 11 a.m., an hour ago. Not much, but.

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