Rahm's new Police Chief on gun rights

Mark K

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they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
Example?
You mean besides the one you just mentioned?

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Mark K

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Mark, I am confused about your comments. Are you in any way suggesting that democRATS do not suck?
Perish the thought! All democrats suck, and relish nothing, absolutely nothing, as much as the taking away of our guns.

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
Example?
You mean besides the one you just mentioned?
Yes, or explain why that one is so terrible, or both. Lots of large cities manage to get by without handgun bans, so I don't see the Supreme Court decision ruling those unconstitutional as the root of Chicago's crime problems.

They have been tailoring laws to their situation for a long time, little has changed since the court cases, and that little change is the big problem? Explain why.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Ok, I just read what this dumb-ass said, and I highly doubt that I've heard anything more idiotic and nonsensical coming from an officials mouth in years. Where was Sarah Palin?

Jfc, where do these people come from?.....
McCarthy illustrated his point by recalling a crime scene investigation while he was a police official in Newark, New Jersey where five children were shot, two of whom were killed. McCarthy said when he got home, he turned on his television to unwind and found an episode of "Sarah Palin's Alaska" showing.
"She was caribou hunting and talking about the right to bear arms. Why wasn't she at the crime scene with me?"
Same reason no police were at the jewelry store with repairman Carl?

A surveillance video captured the robber forcing the women to walk in a single line towards the back of the store. However, the criminal failed to notice the jewelry repairman Carl hidden in his workstation at the time of the robbery. Carl acted quickly, grabbing his own gun and pointing it at the robber.
At that point the robber ceased his actions and ran out of the store.
Too bad Carl was armed. Just ask fellow employee Debra. I'm pretty sure she wanted to continue walking toward the back of the store when Carl interrupted the whole thing with his gun. Waiting back there for police would have been safer.

 

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Ok, I just read what this dumb-ass said, and I highly doubt that I've heard anything more idiotic and nonsensical coming from an officials mouth in years. Where was Sarah Palin?

Jfc, where do these people come from?.....
McCarthy illustrated his point by recalling a crime scene investigation while he was a police official in Newark, New Jersey where five children were shot, two of whom were killed. McCarthy said when he got home, he turned on his television to unwind and found an episode of "Sarah Palin's Alaska" showing.
"She was caribou hunting and talking about the right to bear arms. Why wasn't she at the crime scene with me?"
Same reason no police were at the jewelry store with repairman Carl?

A surveillance video captured the robber forcing the women to walk in a single line towards the back of the store. However, the criminal failed to notice the jewelry repairman Carl hidden in his workstation at the time of the robbery. Carl acted quickly, grabbing his own gun and pointing it at the robber.
At that point the robber ceased his actions and ran out of the store.
Too bad Carl was armed. Just ask fellow employee Debra. I'm pretty sure she wanted to continue walking toward the back of the store when Carl interrupted the whole thing with his gun. Waiting back there for police would have been safer.
Too bad her boss was armed.

 

Mark K

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they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
Example?
You mean besides the one you just mentioned?
Yes, or explain why that one is so terrible, or both. Lots of large cities manage to get by without handgun bans, so I don't see the Supreme Court decision ruling those unconstitutional as the root of Chicago's crime problems.

They have been tailoring laws to their situation for a long time, little has changed since the court cases, and that little change is the big problem? Explain why.
That's a different point then the one I made. You must be replying to someone elses comments or something.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
Example?
You mean besides the one you just mentioned?
The one I mentioned was:

"They are not allowed to ban handguns in the home because the second amendment was rescued from legal oblivion by gun nuts."

So I talked about that one. You must have thought I mentioned another one, so to clear up the confusion, why don't you use the quote feature (without editing) and reply to the one you thought I mentioned so that I can correct you again.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Ok, I just read what this dumb-ass said, and I highly doubt that I've heard anything more idiotic and nonsensical coming from an officials mouth in years. Where was Sarah Palin?

Jfc, where do these people come from?.....
McCarthy illustrated his point by recalling a crime scene investigation while he was a police official in Newark, New Jersey where five children were shot, two of whom were killed. McCarthy said when he got home, he turned on his television to unwind and found an episode of "Sarah Palin's Alaska" showing.
"She was caribou hunting and talking about the right to bear arms. Why wasn't she at the crime scene with me?"
Same reason no police were at the jewelry store with repairman Carl?

A surveillance video captured the robber forcing the women to walk in a single line towards the back of the store. However, the criminal failed to notice the jewelry repairman Carl hidden in his workstation at the time of the robbery. Carl acted quickly, grabbing his own gun and pointing it at the robber.
At that point the robber ceased his actions and ran out of the store.
Too bad Carl was armed. Just ask fellow employee Debra. I'm pretty sure she wanted to continue walking toward the back of the store when Carl interrupted the whole thing with his gun. Waiting back there for police would have been safer.
Too bad her boss was armed.
Too bad the boyfriend was armed. And that other jewelry store guy.

You really wanna play dueling anecdotes? These kinds of self defense stories are common as dirt, as long as you look in places other than the Washington Post and similar gungrabby fishwraps.

 

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McCarthy illustrated his point by recalling a crime scene investigation while he was a police official in Newark, New Jersey where five children were shot, two of whom were killed. McCarthy said when he got home, he turned on his television to unwind and found an episode of "Sarah Palin's Alaska" showing.
"She was caribou hunting and talking about the right to bear arms. Why wasn't she at the crime scene with me?"
Same reason no police were at the jewelry store with repairman Carl?

A surveillance video captured the robber forcing the women to walk in a single line towards the back of the store. However, the criminal failed to notice the jewelry repairman Carl hidden in his workstation at the time of the robbery. Carl acted quickly, grabbing his own gun and pointing it at the robber.
At that point the robber ceased his actions and ran out of the store.
Too bad Carl was armed. Just ask fellow employee Debra. I'm pretty sure she wanted to continue walking toward the back of the store when Carl interrupted the whole thing with his gun. Waiting back there for police would have been safer.
Too bad her boss was armed.
Too bad the boyfriend was armed. And that other jewelry store guy.

You really wanna play dueling anecdotes? These kinds of self defense stories are common as dirt, as long as you look in places other than the Washington Post and similar gungrabby fishwraps.
You started it.

Here's another guy who was armed when thugs busted into his house. It didn't work out too well for him.

Of course it could have something to do with, uh, I don't know, the neighborhood he lived in, or something.

Where was the NRA when Cory needed someone to stick up for his 2nd Amendment rights?

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Here's another guy who was armed when thugs busted into his house. It didn't work out too well for him.

Of course it could have something to do with, uh, I don't know, the neighborhood he lived in, or something.

Where was the NRA when Cory needed someone to stick up for his 2nd Amendment rights?
Wow, you're a piece of work. A no knock drug raid? I'm a huge opponent of those because of situations like the one in the article you linked. I don't call the cops involved thugs as a general rule though, unless they seem to have earned it.

There have been cases where residents have killed cops and the courts ruled it self defense.

I don't see why the NRA would be involved with this case, as it really does not affect gun rights in any way I can think of.

If any old weird incident qualifies, here's another one for you.

 

wabbiteer

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Here's another guy who was armed when thugs busted into his house. It didn't work out too well for him.

Of course it could have something to do with, uh, I don't know, the neighborhood he lived in, or something.

Where was the NRA when Cory needed someone to stick up for his 2nd Amendment rights?
Wow, you're a piece of work. A no knock drug raid? I'm a huge opponent of those because of situations like the one in the article you linked. I don't call the cops involved thugs as a general rule though, unless they seem to have earned it.

There have been cases where residents have killed cops and the courts ruled it self defense.

I don't see why the NRA would be involved with this case, as it really does not affect gun rights in any way I can think of.

If any old weird incident qualifies, here's another one for you.
Really?

You don't think that if you have the right to bear arms that you have the right to use them to defend your family from unidentified intruders without being given the death penalty for murder?

Nothing to do with the NRA. Not at all.

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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Here's another guy who was armed when thugs busted into his house. It didn't work out too well for him.

Of course it could have something to do with, uh, I don't know, the neighborhood he lived in, or something.

Where was the NRA when Cory needed someone to stick up for his 2nd Amendment rights?
Wow, you're a piece of work. A no knock drug raid? I'm a huge opponent of those because of situations like the one in the article you linked. I don't call the cops involved thugs as a general rule though, unless they seem to have earned it.

There have been cases where residents have killed cops and the courts ruled it self defense.

I don't see why the NRA would be involved with this case, as it really does not affect gun rights in any way I can think of.

If any old weird incident qualifies, here's another one for you.
Really?

You don't think that if you have the right to bear arms that you have the right to use them to defend your family from unidentified intruders without being given the death penalty for murder?

Nothing to do with the NRA. Not at all.
His freedom is the issue, not his right to bear arms. In other words, by ignoring that case, how is our right to keep and bear arms endangered? Are people suddenly going to say we can't have handguns in our homes because that guy shot the cops? That's the biggest risk I see, and recent Supreme Court action precludes it.

I think (from reading that one story) that his reaction was understandable self defense and he should be allowed to go about his life, but would be surprised if the NRA got involved in such a case. Getting people on with their lives is not really their mission if it does not impact gun rights.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
Example?
You mean besides the one you just mentioned?
The one I mentioned was:

"They are not allowed to ban handguns in the home because the second amendment was rescued from legal oblivion by gun nuts."

So I talked about that one. You must have thought I mentioned another one, so to clear up the confusion, why don't you use the quote feature (without editing) and reply to the one you thought I mentioned so that I can correct you again.
Mark, if you're going to wander from thread to thread claiming that I can't keep track of a discussion, I'm going to ask you to back it up. Still looking for what else I said?

Quick! Think of a new deflection!

 

Mark K

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they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
Example?
You mean besides the one you just mentioned?
The one I mentioned was:

"They are not allowed to ban handguns in the home because the second amendment was rescued from legal oblivion by gun nuts."

So I talked about that one. You must have thought I mentioned another one, so to clear up the confusion, why don't you use the quote feature (without editing) and reply to the one you thought I mentioned so that I can correct you again.
Mark, if you're going to wander from thread to thread claiming that I can't keep track of a discussion, I'm going to ask you to back it up. Still looking for what else I said?

Quick! Think of a new deflection!
Deflect? Hell, this is thread contains an excellent example of the problem. I made a comment about the reasons for the man to think that way, and incidentally, why he was applauded by that crowd, and was immediately button-holed by you with a strident demand for me to defend the Chicago gun law, as if I had been advocating it in some way.

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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Fact is, gun laws that are fine and dandy for country folk and affluent neighborhoods are not real popular in the ghetto.

Some folks just can't figure out why they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
They are not allowed to ban handguns in the home because the second amendment was rescued from legal oblivion by gun nuts. That doesn't seem so terrible to me, but I'm a gun nut. Maybe you can explain why it's terrible.

What other things are they not being allowed to do? It seems to me that gun laws vary widely by location, yet some ghetto hands are being tied? How and by whom?
Did those questions seem like demands? Poor baby.

What other things are they not being allowed to do?

 

Mark K

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Fact is, gun laws that are fine and dandy for country folk and affluent neighborhoods are not real popular in the ghetto.

Some folks just can't figure out why they are not allowed to tailor those laws for their specific situation.
They are not allowed to ban handguns in the home because the second amendment was rescued from legal oblivion by gun nuts. That doesn't seem so terrible to me, but I'm a gun nut. Maybe you can explain why it's terrible.

What other things are they not being allowed to do? It seems to me that gun laws vary widely by location, yet some ghetto hands are being tied? How and by whom?
Did those questions seem like demands? Poor baby.

What other things are they not being allowed to do?
I suspect they do not feel the need for another reason to feel the way they do.

 
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