RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

[kent_island_sailor]

As a number of dead and/or fired professional pilots have found out, the Master of the Universe that bought the toy and signs your paycheck does not always react well to hearing NO WE CAN'T GO NOW.

It doesn't matter if the boat has 1,2,3 or more hulls, the winter North Atlantic is a bitch and a half.

Either way, if you have the money for purchase but lack the experience to independently skipper a boat as complex and powered up as this is - as I suspect many owners would themselves acknowledge is the case - their insurance company will require a professional skipper/captain as a condition.

 

[ProaSailor]

People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

I'm as much of a reverse snob as you'll find, and even I find this backwards. You could possibly make it accurate by qualifying with "...when it comes to high-profile yachting" but otherwise, get serious. Or go and visit one of ten thousand trailer parks in middle america some time.

Dude, I'm serious as a heart attack. Most people can't afford to make big mistakes, yet the world is full of terrible decisions with major consequences. It takes wealth and power to fuck up big time (yet often walk away with even more wealth and power!).

 

[Wess]

As a number of dead and/or fired professional pilots have found out, the Master of the Universe that bought the toy and signs your paycheck does not always react well to hearing NO WE CAN'T GO NOW.

It doesn't matter if the boat has 1,2,3 or more hulls, the winter North Atlantic is a bitch and a half.

Either way, if you have the money for purchase but lack the experience to independently skipper a boat as complex and powered up as this is - as I suspect many owners would themselves acknowledge is the case - their insurance company will require a professional skipper/captain as a condition.

Well yea, sure. What's your point though?

I was responding to comments that GB owners are not capable of skippering such a yacht. Just saying that this is often the case and certainly not unique to GB - I mean come on duh... you don't make the coin to own a multi-million $ yacht by learning to operate a multi-million $ yacht, LOL - and insurers protect themselves in these instances with a condition there be a professional captain/crew employeed by the owner/insured.

Nobody said the job of professional skipper was easy - just that it sadly doesn't pay enough to buy the boat.

 

[fastyacht]

Others will benifit from the knowledge of the event hopefully preventing more stupid decisions from getting made in the future

Nah. Short memories among the VC/investment banking crowd. "Celebrate Failure" by Brian Cohen -- coming to a TED Talk near you. You don't learn from failure; you just pick yourself up, dust yourself off, borrow a bunch of money, and wade back into the fray. Resilience trumps (Trumps?) wisdom, etc. You'll notice derivatives trading is quite popular again....

Quite right, sadly. People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

That is, until they can't afford to---which is when we kick in our "back stop" of taxpayer bailouts...

 

[fastyacht]

People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

I'm as much of a reverse snob as you'll find, and even I find this backwards. You could possibly make it accurate by qualifying with "...when it comes to high-profile yachting" but otherwise, get serious. Or go and visit one of ten thousand trailer parks in middle america some time.

Plenty of good careful people live in "trailer parks" not because they fucked up, but because they simply never found the Gravy Train. By definition, most people will not.

Your comment can be interpreted to mean that if one is not wealthy, one is a fuck-up and makes bad choices, which is not true.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

I'm as much of a reverse snob as you'll find, and even I find this backwards. You could possibly make it accurate by qualifying with "...when it comes to high-profile yachting" but otherwise, get serious. Or go and visit one of ten thousand trailer parks in middle america some time.

Dude, I'm serious as a heart attack. Most people can't afford to make big mistakes, yet the world is full of terrible decisions with major consequences. It takes wealth and power to fuck up big time (yet often walk away with even more wealth and power!).

Obviously only the very rich or powerful can fuck up in ways that effect thousands of people, but no one fucks their own lives up better than the chronically poor. Spend a week in jail and you'll know what I am talking about.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

I'm as much of a reverse snob as you'll find, and even I find this backwards. You could possibly make it accurate by qualifying with "...when it comes to high-profile yachting" but otherwise, get serious. Or go and visit one of ten thousand trailer parks in middle america some time.

Plenty of good careful people live in "trailer parks" not because they fucked up, but because they simply never found the Gravy Train. By definition, most people will not.

Your comment can be interpreted to mean that if one is not wealthy, one is a fuck-up and makes bad choices, which is not true.

It could be interpreted that way, but only by someone poor at interpreting. I'm not saying 'all poor people' make bad choices, or 'the wealthy are better' or any such thing.

What I am saying is that I have done my time in the trenches, and it is simple fact that the chronically poor also tend to be damned good at chronic self-destruction. People tend to live in trailer parks because that is what they were born into; a life that is filled with substance abuse, poor education, early parenthood, and the justice system. Making bad choices is what many of the multi-generationally poor learn as 'normal'.

What were we talking about again?

 

[Raked Aft\\]

People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

I'm as much of a reverse snob as you'll find, and even I find this backwards. You could possibly make it accurate by qualifying with "...when it comes to high-profile yachting" but otherwise, get serious. Or go and visit one of ten thousand trailer parks in middle america some time.

Dude, I'm serious as a heart attack. Most people can't afford to make big mistakes, yet the world is full of terrible decisions with major consequences. It takes wealth and power to fuck up big time (yet often walk away with even more wealth and power!).

Obviously only the very rich or powerful can fuck up in ways that effect thousands of people, but no one fucks their own lives up better than the chronically poor. Spend a week in jail and you'll know what I am talking about.

if you are chronically poor, then you can't fuck your life up because it's fucked to begin with!

to really fuck something up, you need to start from a state of extreme non-fucked upness!

Poor people just cant't do that, because they're pretty fucked up from day one...

 

[MR.CLEAN]

 

[spankoka]

The god of education is doing pretty well with sociology today!

 

[monsoon]

"1613 SHAKES. Hen. VIII, I. iii. 59 That Churchman Beares a bounteousminde indeed... His dewes fall euery where... he may, my Lord, H'aswherewithall."

Alls I know is is that if I had the wherewithal to buy a GB I hope that I would have the perspicacity to know that that did not mean that I had the wherewithal to sail it.

As for insulting people. Sorry. This is what happens when there are three feet of snow in my yard and three months to sailing season. Can I have warning point? I've always wanted a warning point.

I see Shakespeare can't spell either.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

Insurance companies do the same frequently for airplanes. It can be a tough gig - try trying to extricate yourself from a nasty line of storms AND listen to a ton of whinging on the intercom about how much money the owner is going to lose not making some meeting while you are doing your best to not meet Saint Peter. It is not unknown for good but young pilots that need the money to be swayed by their paymaster. I am too old for that shit now.

I am guessing a dynamic like that may have been at play here either deciding to leave or trying to get on a freighter. YMMV

As a number of dead and/or fired professional pilots have found out, the Master of the Universe that bought the toy and signs your paycheck does not always react well to hearing NO WE CAN'T GO NOW.

It doesn't matter if the boat has 1,2,3 or more hulls, the winter North Atlantic is a bitch and a half.

Either way, if you have the money for purchase but lack the experience to independently skipper a boat as complex and powered up as this is - as I suspect many owners would themselves acknowledge is the case - their insurance company will require a professional skipper/captain as a condition.

Well yea, sure. What's your point though?

I was responding to comments that GB owners are not capable of skippering such a yacht. Just saying that this is often the case and certainly not unique to GB - I mean come on duh... you don't make the coin to own a multi-million $ yacht by learning to operate a multi-million $ yacht, LOL - and insurers protect themselves in these instances with a condition there be a professional captain/crew employeed by the owner/insured.

Nobody said the job of professional skipper was easy - just that it sadly doesn't pay enough to buy the boat.

 

[fastyacht]

People who can afford to make mistakes seem to make more of them.

I'm as much of a reverse snob as you'll find, and even I find this backwards. You could possibly make it accurate by qualifying with "...when it comes to high-profile yachting" but otherwise, get serious. Or go and visit one of ten thousand trailer parks in middle america some time.

Plenty of good careful people live in "trailer parks" not because they fucked up, but because they simply never found the Gravy Train. By definition, most people will not.

Your comment can be interpreted to mean that if one is not wealthy, one is a fuck-up and makes bad choices, which is not true.

It could be interpreted that way, but only by someone poor at interpreting. I'm not saying 'all poor people' make bad choices, or 'the wealthy are better' or any such thing.

What I am saying is that I have done my time in the trenches, and it is simple fact that the chronically poor also tend to be damned good at chronic self-destruction. People tend to live in trailer parks because that is what they were born into; a life that is filled with substance abuse, poor education, early parenthood, and the justice system. Making bad choices is what many of the multi-generationally poor learn as 'normal'.

What were we talking about again?

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/551058/social-Darwinism

social Darwinism, the theory that persons, groups, and races are subject to the same laws of natural selection as Charles Darwin had perceived in plants and animals in nature. According to the theory, which was popular in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the weak were diminished and their cultures delimited, while the strong grew in power and in cultural influence over the weak. Social Darwinists held that the life of humans in society was a struggle for existence ruled by “survival of the fittest,” a phrase proposed by the British philosopher and scientist Herbert Spencer.

 

[zenmasterfred]

Enough fucking drift, is there any actual news about the boat?

 

[scaredsheep]

yeh zen man . grab a beer. could be a while.

anyone speak w Mr. Johnstone.... any of em will do.

any super reporter woulda already called, or be there in NC w some reverend guy

maybe jim cantore could show up.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

Enough fucking drift, is there any actual news about the boat?

The prospectors have all abandoned the search. No other news at the moment.

 

[fastyacht]

LOL prospectors.

Successful carbon sequestration.

 

[DDW]

Enough fucking drift, is there any actual news about the boat?

The prospectors have all abandoned the search. No other news at the moment.

We can assume then that there is no tracker on board as was reported by media. Kinda sucks, since spending just $600 would have made that thing dead easy to find. Unless it is on the bottom.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

No one left the AIS on?

W-T-F :blink:

 

[Presuming Ed]

Enough fucking drift, is there any actual news about the boat?

The prospectors have all abandoned the search. No other news at the moment.

We can assume then that there is no tracker on board as was reported by media. Kinda sucks, since spending just $600 would have made that thing dead easy to find. Unless it is on the bottom.

Public tracker.

Don't know what's available in the way of privately viewable trackers? Can anybody see a SPOT without knowing exact details?