RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

[kent_island_sailor]

Plus a Condor 40 out there someplace

Apparently I missed the memo that went:

Winter North Atlantic

Best Place Ever for half assed, quarter assed, and no assed sailing adventures B)

Maybe this one too:

Getting rescued in the Gulf Stream

Not just for rotten old square riggers anymore

 

[slip knot]

You guys are making it sound like the east coast of the US is dangerous in the winter.

Next you are going to say that ships have been foundering In those waters for hundreds of years...

 

[MR.CLEAN]

^haha good question

I invited people to contact me with specific questions, and I got two requests, neither of them from anyone with specific questions.

 

[Raked Aft\\]

^haha good question

I invited people to contact me with specific questions, and I got two requests, neither of them from anyone with specific questions.

How about, Is there currently a legitimate professional salvage attempt underway to recover the GB 55 Rainmaker?

if so, What is the current status of said salvage attempt?

 

[crashtack33]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there is a parallel thread over on Multihull Anarchy. No real news there either except a cryptic post from Peter Johnstone yesterday with some sorta half-information. Still no detailedl post or days-in-editing interview. Instead we get a horse on a boat and a regurgitated story about ISAF on the front page to distract us.

What's your personal interest in the Gunboat loss?

In other words, what harm are you suffering from not receiving your free information now, rather than later?

When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?

 

[Boo-Yah]

Got a call from the White House looking for Clean's contact info. Seems they are having orgasms over there at the thought of Clean's new approach to journalism. The folks want to use their newly found executive powers to turn the whole media kabal over to Clean and SA. They are simply giddy at the thought of interviews and questions on touchy subjects when they are ready coupled with full and complete approval of any story. The NFL has been quoted as sayin... "this will be the new gold standard for getting our way".

1. Puff piece or fluff piece is an idiom for a journalistic form of puffery: anarticle or story of exaggerating praise that often ignores or downplays opposing viewpoints or evidence to the contrary.

Did that creature from Numbers eat SA's testicles? Or is it simple the yearning for more of the Gunboat ruhm tap...

 

[floater]

Plus a Condor 40 out there someplace

Apparently I missed the memo that went:

Winter North Atlantic

Best Place Ever for half assed, quarter assed, and no assed sailing adventures B)

Maybe this one too:

Getting rescued in the Gulf Stream

Not just for rotten old square riggers anymore

What rivers got: Six hulls, two masts, $1,060,000 worth of boat in it, and no one aboard?

 

[SA Lurker]

Did that creature from Numbers eat SA's testicles? Or is it simple the yearning for more of the Gunboat ruhm tap...

Get real.

Alan is not about to rile a banner advertiser and he's demonstrated that he's quite willing to squelch a story that puts one of his "buddies" in poor light.

Don't hold your breath waiting for this one.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

"Clean:"

Please check your PM - I've just sent you specific questions

 

[Ed Lada]

Plus a Condor 40 out there someplace

Apparently I missed the memo that went:

Winter North Atlantic

Best Place Ever for half assed, quarter assed, and no assed sailing adventures B)

Maybe this one too:

Getting rescued in the Gulf Stream

Not just for rotten old square riggers anymore

And while you are out and about, check the Southern Ocean. There is a dis-masted Open 40 out there somewhere, helmed by that stellar sailor, Abbey Sunderland a few years ago. I don't think anybody has seen Wild Eyes since her rescue by our buddies down under. She should have never left Cape Town on a Friday, just one more bit of evidence that she wasn't a very experienced sailor.

 

[Ed Lada]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there is a parallel thread over on Multihull Anarchy. No real news there either except a cryptic post from Peter Johnstone yesterday with some sorta half-information. Still no detailedl post or days-in-editing interview. Instead we get a horse on a boat and a regurgitated story about ISAF on the front page to distract us.

What's your personal interest in the Gunboat loss?

In other words, what harm are you suffering from not receiving your free information now, rather than later?

When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?

First of all, tits or fuck off. If you are a sock, double fuck off. Next, Clean never said the report wouldn't be published, he said it will be published when it is ready and given, as he pointed out, it is free why are you so impatient? If you don't want to wait, call your contacts, do a little leg work and let us know what you get. I think it is a little to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories.

 

[Boo-Yah]

Its got to be quite the pickle to have a big dick swinging advertizer as part of a grizzly story like this. While it isnt the boat or builders fault in my mind all that leaves is some shitty decision making on the captian/owner. A story that puts those guys in a bad light probably would kill the deal on a new boat or possibly harm the insurance claim somewhat and that shit runs down hill as well.

Cut Clean some slack that cant be easy to write something that aint fluff or fiction when an advertizer is involved. Maybe this isnt the perfect venue when thats the case but its kind of the only one so just take it with a grain of salt.

What a shame Pioneer Clean has to sort that out all alone. The NYT, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, NPR... Forbes, Vanity Fair, The Rolling Stone and those others never had to face a story where an advertiser could possibly be involved. We all know GM, FORD, and the other vehicle players never made an error or questionable move and would never advertise anyway.

How can there be advertisers anyway. The Journalist Clean reported the whole thing as free?

 

[crashtack33]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there is a parallel thread over on Multihull Anarchy. No real news there either except a cryptic post from Peter Johnstone yesterday with some sorta half-information. Still no detailedl post or days-in-editing interview. Instead we get a horse on a boat and a regurgitated story about ISAF on the front page to distract us.

What's your personal interest in the Gunboat loss?

In other words, what harm are you suffering from not receiving your free information now, rather than later?

When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?

First of all, tits or fuck off. If you are a sock, double fuck off. Next, Clean never said the report wouldn't be published, he said it will be published when it is ready and given, as he pointed out, it is free why are you so impatient? If you don't want to wait, call your contacts, do a little leg work and let us know what you get. I think it is a little to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories.

I don't know who Mr Clean is but if he was the captain or anyone on Rainmaker, then yes great we can all wait and thanks for saying the narrative is coming. But as I did (and do) not know who Mr Clean is, all I can do is call a spade a spade and say that it sure feels like the GB machine doesn't want the details to come out and is trying to save their marketing image.

Either way the f*&^ off comment is lame, maybe you should be banned

 

[MaxHeadroom]

First of all, tits or fuck off. If you are a sock, double fuck off. Next, Clean never said the report wouldn't be published, he said it will be published when it is ready and given, as he pointed out, it is free why are you so impatient? If you don't want to wait, call your contacts, do a little leg work and let us know what you get. I think it is a little to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories.

WTF?

This is SA, it's never to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories!

 

[sunseeker]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there is a parallel thread over on Multihull Anarchy. No real news there either except a cryptic post from Peter Johnstone yesterday with some sorta half-information. Still no detailedl post or days-in-editing interview. Instead we get a horse on a boat and a regurgitated story about ISAF on the front page to distract us.

What's your personal interest in the Gunboat loss?

In other words, what harm are you suffering from not receiving your free information now, rather than later?

When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?

First of all, tits or fuck off. If you are a sock, double fuck off. Next, Clean never said the report wouldn't be published, he said it will be published when it is ready and given, as he pointed out, it is free why are you so impatient? If you don't want to wait, call your contacts, do a little leg work and let us know what you get. I think it is a little to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories.

I don't know who Mr Clean is but if he was the captain or anyone on Rainmaker, then yes great we can all wait and thanks for saying the narrative is coming. But as I did (and do) not know who Mr Clean is, all I can do is call a spade a spade and say that it sure feels like the GB machine doesn't want the details to come out and is trying to save their marketing image.

Either way the f*&^ off comment is lame, maybe you should be banned

Dear gentle reader, fuck off is sort of like saying hi around here.

Perhaps you'd prefer ChristianScienceMonitorAnarchy.com?

May a warm moist wind and smooth gentle young (but legal age) female hands caress your penis this evening.

 

[randomsailor01]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there is a parallel thread over on Multihull Anarchy. No real news there either except a cryptic post from Peter Johnstone yesterday with some sorta half-information. Still no detailedl post or days-in-editing interview. Instead we get a horse on a boat and a regurgitated story about ISAF on the front page to distract us.

What's your personal interest in the Gunboat loss?

In other words, what harm are you suffering from not receiving your free information now, rather than later?

When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?

First of all, tits or fuck off. If you are a sock, double fuck off. Next, Clean never said the report wouldn't be published, he said it will be published when it is ready and given, as he pointed out, it is free why are you so impatient? If you don't want to wait, call your contacts, do a little leg work and let us know what you get. I think it is a little to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories.

So is clean trying to clean the report for the benefit of his bosses' (presumed) largest sponsor? Editing for a week!? How long is that friggin "report" anyway??

Don't bite the hand that feeds you? Of course the memories of ************ v. Tempesta can't be too far away...

BTW watever happened with that?? Still going on? Man those legal fees must be expensive...!!

 

[Ed Lada]

In case you guys haven't noticed, there is a parallel thread over on Multihull Anarchy. No real news there either except a cryptic post from Peter Johnstone yesterday with some sorta half-information. Still no detailedl post or days-in-editing interview. Instead we get a horse on a boat and a regurgitated story about ISAF on the front page to distract us.

What's your personal interest in the Gunboat loss?

In other words, what harm are you suffering from not receiving your free information now, rather than later?

When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?

First of all, tits or fuck off. If you are a sock, double fuck off. Next, Clean never said the report wouldn't be published, he said it will be published when it is ready and given, as he pointed out, it is free why are you so impatient? If you don't want to wait, call your contacts, do a little leg work and let us know what you get. I think it is a little to early for pitchforks, torches and conspiracy theories.

I don't know who Mr Clean is but if he was the captain or anyone on Rainmaker, then yes great we can all wait and thanks for saying the narrative is coming. But as I did (and do) not know who Mr Clean is, all I can do is call a spade a spade and say that it sure feels like the GB machine doesn't want the details to come out and is trying to save their marketing image.

Either way the f*&^ off comment is lame, maybe you should be banned

No offense but rules are rules. That is the traditional greeting for newbies here and if you are that sensitive perhaps there are other places more suitable for you. I hear they are very polite at the Cruisers Forum.

 

[Ed Lada]

How interesting that new folks are just crawling out of the woodwork to comment about this all of a sudden.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

How about, Is there currently a legitimate professional salvage attempt underway to recover the GB 55 Rainmaker?

if so, What is the current status of said salvage attempt?

No.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

1) There is no 'right to know' anything from a private company. You do have a right to know what the CG did, or the results of official government investigations. That's what FOIA is for. Being a first-time poster on SA, you have the right to be remain silent. If you give up that right, you have the right to be ridiculed incessantly.

2) There was a 'sailing media' bias against investigating anything negative for about 30 years. SA changed that, but we're still one of maybe 4 sites worldwide to actually investigate anything in the sport. We have been investigating the Rainmaker loss the entire time.

3) If a boat needs to be designed to best navigate after a dismasting, there's a much bigger problem than windows.

4) Lessons learned: Don't leave in a winter storm. Don't bring inexperienced owners into potentially awful weather. There may be one or two more...

Got more?

1) When it comes to the intersection of safety and boat design choices, don sailors have a right to know (especially when its our tax dollars that pay for the rescue).

2) Boatbuilders pay $$ for advertising. Is there media bias against investigating?

3) GB no doubt makes fantastic boats, but if lessons learned about leaking engine hatches, difficulties keeping water in an indoor/outdoor salon setup from leaking down, problems with glass panels that nobody anticipated...

4) If Rainmaker's lessons learned do not get out, other sailors will be put into harms way. Is that enough suffering for you?