RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

[SailRacer]

" They're jackasses, sure, but for reasons totally unrelated to their skill as sailors. "

Classic,

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[ropetrick]

Their biggest mistake was leaving with the owner AND his son; at any time of the year.

 

[Edith Bicknell]

Please cut Mr Clean some slack. His wife is pregnant, and close to her due date as you can see.[/quote

Thats not nice even by my standards

 

[DryArmour]

I will have to go back and look at the warnings but I am pretty sure there was a Gale warning posted for the area. I do not think it was ever elevated to a storm warning but I could be wrong on that. What I can tell you is that regardless of the size of the vessel or the experience of the crew, an abundance of caution and respect should be shown to the area widely known as the graveyard of the Atlantic. Storms often exceed projections by a fair bit and squalls can pop up out of no where that are extreme. The crew of RAINMAKER appear to have found one and were unprepared for its intensity.

I grew up in North Carolina and know her waters well. Armchair quarterbacking is never fair to those who rolled the dice but in this case, I would bet on the HOUSE each and every time. Just my $.02...your mileage may vary.

 

[Terrorvision]

Please cut Mr Clean some slack. His wife is pregnant, and close to her due date as you can see.

Whatever you think of Clean- don't bring his wife or family into this quagmire.

 

[Kevlar Edge]

giggidy

 

[DtM]

Leave Mer out of this.

 

[DryArmour]

Meredith is HOTT. Think what you want about Clean's scribing but when you post images like that and try and attach Mer's name to them it does nothing but assign you a permanent label of A$$HOLE.

 

[Ed Lada]

Please cut Mr Clean some slack. His wife is pregnant, and close to her due date as you can see.

Asshat of the thread award, right there.

 

[Wess]

Their biggest mistake was leaving with the owner AND his son; at any time of the year.

No. That is the job. If the owners wants to come on the ride, the owners comes on the ride. That's the job. Its the owners boat.

No different than Ellison w Dickson or Clark (and almost his wife) w Read on Comanche in the S2H.

If the owners wants to come, you hire enough crew to get the boat there without counting the owner as crew. They clearly did that. Because that's the job.

Shit happens - and happened here. Then the job is to keep everybody safe. They did that too.

Nice job!

Don't like the job; you can always sit at home and type shit onto the internet to tell everyone how to sail a couch in a mill pond called a living room.

Kill the story Clean. Let it die.

 

[ropetrick]

Their biggest mistake was leaving with the owner AND his son; at any time of the year.

No. That is the job. If the owners wants to come on the ride, the owners comes on the ride. That's the job. Its the owners boat.

No different than Ellison w Dickson or Clark (and almost his wife) w Read on Comanche in the S2H.

If the owners wants to come, you hire enough crew to get the boat there without counting the owner as crew. They clearly did that. Because that's the job.

Shit happens - and happened here. Then the job is to keep everybody safe. They did that too.

Nice job!

Don't like the job; you can always sit at home and type shit onto the internet to tell everyone how to sail a couch in a mill pond called a living room.

Kill the story Clean. Let it die.

I would have quit when Mr. Owner said we are leaving now.

As delivery skipper I have the final say. If I don't I won't go.

That is why you hire me, for my skill and experience.

If you don't want to listen to me .I won't let you kill me.

Fuck the money.

Bringing your son for his first offshore passage was a BIG indicator of lack of judgement.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

Please delete that post. We bust Clean's balls all the time, not his wife's.

Low class even for this place.

Please cut Mr Clean some slack. His wife is pregnant, and close to her due date as you can see.

 

[MaxHeadroom]

Their biggest mistake was leaving with the owner AND his son; at any time of the year.

No. That is the job. If the owners wants to come on the ride, the owners comes on the ride. That's the job. Its the owners boat.

No different than Ellison w Dickson or Clark (and almost his wife) w Read on Comanche in the S2H.

If the owners wants to come, you hire enough crew to get the boat there without counting the owner as crew. They clearly did that. Because that's the job.

Shit happens - and happened here. Then the job is to keep everybody safe. They did that too.

Nice job!

Don't like the job; you can always sit at home and type shit onto the internet to tell everyone how to sail a couch in a mill pond called a living room.

Kill the story Clean. Let it die.

I would have quit when Mr. Owner said we are leaving now.

As delivery skipper I have the final say. If I don't I won't go.

That is why you hire me, for my skill and experience.

If you don't want to listen to me .I won't let you kill me.

Fuck the money.

Bringing your son for his first offshore passage was a BIG indicator of lack of judgement.

That's been my rule for every gig I have ever had.

Bailed out on a stop in Bermuda enroute to Tortola one year. Boss had to meet the boat in Norfolk instead. TS Sean killed 2 off of Bermuda and 3 or 4 boats ended up on the reef. Boss was not pleased until he read the carnage reports....

 

[boatfixer]

Clean,

I don't know if you're a journalist or not. but I am interested in how you're writing your report. some questions:

-Who have you interviewed other than the skipper? Is this just the skipper's account or will it include the sort of questions for GB, Irens, Hall and the owner that people keep asking?

-Who if anybody is refusing to comment to you?

-do you know if they are they talking to any other journalists? Who?

-Why are they silent? (sure, people stay quiet for insurance reasons but if that were the real issue, they wouldn't be talking to you either. And PJ wouldn't have selectively chimed in recently)

-Who are you consulting with on content? Eg, are you in contact with PJ?

-will your article cover design issues in any depth?

Genuinely Interested. They're quick questions and easily answered. They won't spoil the story's actual content. I guess I can pm the same questions but do I need to?

If a powerful company wants to expertly spin and quash the news they will succeed (in this small industry)

Good luck getting employment if you cross them. And if you work for a mag or website, unless you have triple verified sources you will be ruined by a lawsuit // and even if you do get the verified sources you will never get another advertising penny from them and other builder advertisers might become cautious.

It sucks because the contrast between years of perfect "10" marketing and the normal fallacies of even a well built catamaran is a great story and probably nobody is "wrong" - it just says allot about the industry we live in.

Go ahead and bark at this post you fags // but i think most of u know this is true

 

[interested party]

SOMA knows what he's talking about and he has more catamaran miles than all the rest of you combined. He knows all of the people involved and I'm sure he knows all of the facts. The only asshats here are all of the Monday morning quarterbacks, conspiracy theorists, people who NEED the facts, and the rest of the turds that sit at their computers thinking they know more than people who have thousands of miles on the water. I'm almost shocked that nobody has brough up rule 69 yet. Its very easy to sit in your living room and say how you would have handled it. They were there - you weren't. Tough shit. And , no. You don't have a right to know. The interested parties do. You don't. I'm sure the coast guard has all of the facts and I'm sure the insurance company has all of the facts. The rest of you can go investigate the J80s that lost their keels, the Farallones Islands accident, the Ebay boat, and the Hinkley on the streets of Boston.

 

[NoStrings]

SOMA knows what he's talking about and he has more catamaran miles than all the rest of you combined. He knows all of the people involved and I'm sure he knows all of the facts. The only asshats here are all of the Monday morning quarterbacks, conspiracy theorists, people who NEED the facts, and the rest of the turds that sit at their computers thinking they know more than people who have thousands of miles on the water. I'm almost shocked that nobody has brough up rule 69 yet. Its very easy to sit in your living room and say how you would have handled it. They were there - you weren't. Tough shit. And , no. You don't have a right to know. The interested parties do. You don't. I'm sure the coast guard has all of the facts and I'm sure the insurance company has all of the facts. The rest of you can go investigate the J80s that lost their keels, the Farallones Islands accident, the Ebay boat, and the Hinkley on the streets of Boston.

Bullshit flag is waving. A very good friend of mine had about 15000 more flight hours than I, and managed to fly into the wrong smoke filled canyon on the way home one Friday night, killing himself and three fellow commuters. The NTSB was less than enthusiastic about his judgment on that final flight. IOW, I don't care if you have a catamaran for a penis, you can still fuck up, and the only way others can learn from your fuck ups (hopefully avoiding making the same mistake), is to conduct a post mortem of the incident. I don't give a rats ass if your friends end up looking bad. The fact is, their evac/rescue was a very close thing, nearly costing an aircrew. Sure, shit happens, but people also make mistakes...no matter how great their skills. I'd kind of like to know the decision and event sequence that led to their rescue.
BTW, when LSC went on the rocks, our community knew damn well what happened, and we took gas as a community. We paid, and are continuing to pay the price for a friends fuck up. Your buddy is nothing special, he's a sailor just like the rest of us, so get over yourself.

 

[Keith]

I'm just waiting for the actual story to come out..... and I'm sure we will get it soon enough..

Meanwhile the sideshow know it all's are just showing their lack of ocean sailing time.... especially when a multihull is involved.

 

[scaredsheep]

hi scoma... ever been to Scomas san fran?

just curious.

 

[scaredsheep]

fcked that uo meant to say hi soma...hes/shes gone already oh well

 

[interested party]

SOMA knows what he's talking about and he has more catamaran miles than all the rest of you combined. He knows all of the people involved and I'm sure he knows all of the facts. The only asshats here are all of the Monday morning quarterbacks, conspiracy theorists, people who NEED the facts, and the rest of the turds that sit at their computers thinking they know more than people who have thousands of miles on the water. I'm almost shocked that nobody has brough up rule 69 yet. Its very easy to sit in your living room and say how you would have handled it. They were there - you weren't. Tough shit. And , no. You don't have a right to know. The interested parties do. You don't. I'm sure the coast guard has all of the facts and I'm sure the insurance company has all of the facts. The rest of you can go investigate the J80s that lost their keels, the Farallones Islands accident, the Ebay boat, and the Hinkley on the streets of Boston.

Bullshit flag is waving. A very good friend of mine had about 15000 more flight hours than I, and managed to fly into the wrong smoke filled canyon on the way home one Friday night, killing himself and three fellow commuters. The NTSB was less than enthusiastic about his judgment on that final flight. IOW, I don't care if you have a catamaran for a penis, you can still fuck up, and the only way others can learn from your fuck ups (hopefully avoiding making the same mistake), is to conduct a post mortem of the incident. I don't give a rats ass if your friends end up looking bad. The fact is, their evac/rescue was a very close thing, nearly costing an aircrew. Sure, shit happens, but people also make mistakes...no matter how great their skills. I'd kind of like to know the decision and event sequence that led to their rescue.

As I said, the coast guard and the insurance company, I'm sure, will do plenty of investigating and after that, I'm sure it will become public. In the case you're talking about was it the NTSB or Flying Anarchy that did the investigating. I don't know anything more than you do about this so I couldn't possibly be bullshitting you. Your post just shows that you're an ass like the rest. Nothing is being hidden. You want trial by chatroom, and they're probably just not in the mood. I do know that 2 planes did bring down the World Trade Center. It wasn't a government conspiracy with bombs placed on every floor.