RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE
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joneisberg
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That will be interesting to see, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Cohen (or, the mother of his son, perhaps) - like the owner of the Alpha 42 Hull #1 - decides to "go in a different direction"...
MauiPunter made the very good point that - in the absence of any clue as to what exactly failed and caused the rig to come down - that does pose more than a bit of a problem for GB "going forward"... What assurances or recommendations to give to those dozen or so folks who have supposedly have orders in for a 55 (according to LATITUDE 38, at least) ?
"Well, we suggest you try to avoid sailing into storms in the North Atlantic - especially those brewing off Cape Hatteras - in late January..." ?
Despite the fact that the skipper of RAINMAKER says "I wouldn’t hesitate to take a Gunboat into that forecast again." ?
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Boo-Yah
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That will be interesting to see, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Cohen (or, the mother of his son, perhaps) - like the owner of the Alpha 42 Hull #1 - decides to "go in a different direction"...
MauiPunter made the very good point that - in the absence of any clue as to what exactly failed and caused the rig to come down - that does pose more than a bit of a problem for GB "going forward"... What assurances or recommendations to give to those dozen or so folks who have supposedly have orders in for a 55 (according to LATITUDE 38, at least) ?
"Well, we suggest you try to avoid sailing into storms in the North Atlantic - especially those brewing off Cape Hatteras - in late January..." ?
Despite the fact that the skipper of RAINMAKER says "I wouldn’t hesitate to take a Gunboat into that forecast again." ?
I would not worry so much about that... There were three skilled sailors cutting that rig free. If a bit or fitting in the support structure failed they saw it. It could also be as simple or normal as the massive wind shift forcing the rig out of column. As soon as the rig on any boat is forced out of column the likelihood of the stick crumbling on deck is great. The guys who were on the boat at least know where it broke in two "pops". The smart rig engineers will know why it would fail in those spots. If there are no broken fittings.... I will guess the boom pushed in while the storm jib head pulled the column in another direction.
The real risk is to the value of the claims of all the failsafes the GB's are claimed to have.
well here is a pretty knowledgeable GB owner who loves his boat!
i'm wondering if he got a taller rig between the videos - the second one is named "tall rigg",, and they talk about pushing the polar curves out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DulNkrKMg
edit - the audio in the first video gets better after a few seconds - it's interesting
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoFbF_bzCzo
edit again - he's not the owner
i'm wondering if he got a taller rig between the videos - the second one is named "tall rigg",, and they talk about pushing the polar curves out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3DulNkrKMg
edit - the audio in the first video gets better after a few seconds - it's interesting
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoFbF_bzCzo
edit again - he's not the owner
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DryArmour
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Rig failure is a possibility on just about any performance boat made. When momentary loads far exceed the predicted levels then I would rather have my rig come down than the chainplates rip out of the hull (Same net effect to the mast). Was this event avoidable (Aside from delaying departure) I simply don't know. None of us do. I do think it is worth intelligently going through the possible scenarios and then have a plan of action for each of them.
When reading part 2 of the story I can't for the life of me think why the freighter would make a windward approach to the disabled boat. Why not come up to leeward and let the catamaran drift down to you? (Maybe I read that wrong.)
When reading part 2 of the story I can't for the life of me think why the freighter would make a windward approach to the disabled boat. Why not come up to leeward and let the catamaran drift down to you? (Maybe I read that wrong.)
NoStrings
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I would think that being on the wx beam of a big ship would pin you there in a disabled boat with absolutely no way to escape.
Boo-Yah
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The standard play is to use the ship to create a lee to mitigate wind and wave. The hope is to create an almost protected breakwater using the ship mass to allow the transfer. The ships use the maneuver all the time to take pilots on and off. The weather side would be the bad side of a sea wall. You would not want to go near there. This ship was only 350 feet and maybe moving too fast for the abilities of the wounded GB Rainmaker.
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I'm sure that there are other disruptive technologies which won't disrupt his survival chances quite so severelyThat will be interesting to see, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Cohen (or, the mother of his son, perhaps) - like the owner of the Alpha 42 Hull #1 - decides to "go in a different direction"...
They may write this, tho there might be some heavy litigation involved. But it's hard to see them underwriting another GB55 for the same client, at least without some eye-watering premium and stringent conditions.
Boo-Yah
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pin, smash, splatter, beat into pieces... violent slams making all movement impossible on the wreck. Likely at first contact all the rest of that glass would come out of the boat and the kids GoPro camera would fly off his head. Total Redneck move. Hold my beer watch this...
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kent_island_sailor
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If what I read is correct as to their premium, I am paying 4 times as much per $ of hull value for a simple proven design not even insured for offshore this year or last. Someone got a really good deal once - not sure about twice
I'm sure that there are other disruptive technologies which won't disrupt his survival chances quite so severelyThat will be interesting to see, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Cohen (or, the mother of his son, perhaps) - like the owner of the Alpha 42 Hull #1 - decides to "go in a different direction"...
They may write this, tho there might be some heavy litigation involved. But it's hard to see them underwriting another GB55 for the same client, at least without some eye-watering premium and stringent conditions.
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billy backstay
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Yes, that was my point. They'll see what changes/improvements GB does to the boats. And may or may not be willing to insure them. What premiums, what limits... perhaps they'll no longer insure GBs offshore. But if premiums rise sharply or ins becomes unavailable, that's going to hurt GB moving boats. Peep won't buy if they can't get insurance. That was one of the causes of the housing market crashing here in Florida.... Ins premiums skyrocketed, and even became unobtainable at any price. Still feeling the effects.I'm sure that there are other disruptive technologies which won't disrupt his survival chances quite so severelyThat will be interesting to see, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mr Cohen (or, the mother of his son, perhaps) - like the owner of the Alpha 42 Hull #1 - decides to "go in a different direction"...
They may write this, tho there might be some heavy litigation involved. But it's hard to see them underwriting another GB55 for the same client, at least without some eye-watering premium and stringent conditions.
Christian
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If no other contact - Yes
In this case they had been in sat phone contact (through which they issued a Mayday call) and standard practice is that the CG asks you to turn on your EPIRB for location the vessel - EPIRB's have both GPS location transmitted via sat link and a 121.5 MHz VHF signal that is used by SAR as a homing beacon when in close range to pinpoint the vessel
Well, no, it isnt on thier web page. As it shows up for me, there is no info at all on spar, rig dimensions, rigging type, anything. And to get a 'brochure' you have to request one on line. So they can check your credit rating??
