RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

[Blitz]

Does that big red button behind the winches engage the disruptometer or fire off the epirb?

 

[longy]

That seems to be a 'panic button', (emergency stop or release) possibly relating to the gauge (?) just aft of it. maybe some one with better IT skills can reverse the pic & read the labels?

 

[mad]

Engines accessed from OUTSIDE - no engine repairs in bad weather.

The sheets coming in in front of the wheel and instruments so it looks to me like it would be a huge PITA to crank winches and pull sheets without interfering with the helm controls and whacking the helmsman in the face too.

"Glassed in porch" design with side facing instead of aft facing companionways. Hwo that glass would have stood up to serious greenies I have no idea.

Apparently no storm shutters and glass not designed to be removed.

No sea anchor.

Some hyperbole maybe, not a lot though.

Up thread- a lot of hyperbole comparing a GB to a MacGregor. However, it is fair to point out that as delivered RM wasn't quite up to serious offshore use, as was claimed.

Mr. Kent the helm pictures can be deceiving. I suspect the wide angle lens are distorting reality. The winch pit or station can be reached on both sides by standing crew without interfering with the helmsman. You could easily have a crewmember tailing or hoisting one each side at the same time.

None of the images do the area justice that is really well in front of the wheel...

The halyards and other ropes tails look like they disappear into Clusterfuck city in some of those pictures.

There must a load of water stuck in those lines as well at times that must leak out everywhere, let alone when you let when spin of a drum in a hurry.

Anybody got a list of the inboard control lines? Just looks like an evolution too far to me.

 

[John Drake]

It looks like the label says "Emergency Winch Off"

 

[mad]

You definitely can't have both winches being used at once unless you want to smash knuckles/heads etc. and they look pretty damn small as well. Or do they just use baby winch handles, one handed because the loads are so light?

Would love to hear/see a little guide to the below deck sail control system.

 

[longy]

You definitely can't have both winches being used at once unless you want to smash knuckles/heads etc. and they look pretty damn small as well. Or do they just use baby winch handles, one handed because the loads are so light?

Would love to hear/see a little guide to the below deck sail control system.

Winch handles??? Those are electric winches, you just need a strong finger.

 

[NoStrings]

There probably isn't much risk of crossing swords at the winch cluster, because the buttons are someplace even more disruptive. Maybe even outside?

 

[mad]

You definitely can't have both winches being used at once unless you want to smash knuckles/heads etc. and they look pretty damn small as well. Or do they just use baby winch handles, one handed because the loads are so light?

Would love to hear/see a little guide to the below deck sail control system.

Winch handles??? Those are electric winches, you just need a strong finger.

Excellent, so there you are banging your hot wife/nanny/secretary at the wheelhouse station and you've got paid crew watching and sound of electric winches in the background as well.

Just sounds idyllic.

 

[mad]

There probably isn't much risk of crossing swords at the winch cluster, because the buttons are someplace even more disruptive. Maybe even outside?

Not unless you like a salt dash added to your cocktail.

 

[ropetrick]

In the first of three photos, it looks like there are two winch handles stowed below the winch pad to the right of the helm chick.

I understand the pretty colored control lines on the left side and the halyards with clutches and jammers on the right side; but what are the heck are two clutches just in front of the electro-pod?

Traveler? Daggerboards?

 

[DDW]

I know GB make outrageous speed claims on their web page ".300 nm days are common. 400 nm days are possible."

Up thread Soma stated a reasonable average for a Gunboat is 220 mile days. ( Soma quoted "Our average is probably 220 though."

Here are a couple of satellite tracked passages:

Gunboat 66 Phaedo, 2011 ARC, 2680 miles in 12 days, 223 miles/day

Gunboat 62 Zenyatta, 2013 ARC, 2680 miles in 14 days, 191 miles/day

In 28 hours RM did about 200 miles which is about average.

So they are +/-10 knot boats where your average cruising 50-60 footer would be closer to a 7 knot boat? What is the LOA of a "shitbox" ?

More like 8-9 knot boat if you do the math. Actually something that can average 200 miles a day is pretty fast. Just not as fast as the occasional burst to 18 would lead you to believe. But 200 miles a day isn't going to outrun a front more effectively than 150 miles a day.

 

[Boo-Yah]

Those are Lemar Electric 58. Those winches will pull the clew or head out of any sail. The use of handles is normal for electric winches in sailboats. Many races do not allow them.

http://www.sailingworld.com/features/2015-boat-of-the-year/images/image-3-gunboat.jpg

 

[billy backstay]

You definitely can't have both winches being used at once unless you want to smash knuckles/heads etc. and they look pretty damn small as well. Or do they just use baby winch handles, one handed because the loads are so light?

Would love to hear/see a little guide to the below deck sail control system.

Winch handles??? Those are electric winches, you just need a strong finger.

Excellent, so there you are banging your hot wife/nanny/secretary at the wheelhouse station and you've got paid crew watching and sound of electric winches in the background as well.

Just sounds idyllic.

Now that is hysterical, Mad!!! Golf Clap!!

 

[Crew]

Those are Lemar Electric 58. Those winches will pull the clew or head out of any sail. The use of handles is normal for electric winches in sailboats. Many races do not allow them.

http://www.sailingworld.com/features/2015-boat-of-the-year/images/image-3-gunboat.jpg

Ok, I have had enough of this horseshit. Fuck me. You fuckers have run hard and wide on a subject that 90% of you know NOTHING about. You have fanned the flames of your own insanity by breathlessly shouting to the internet your conspiracy theories based upon wild assumptions made by some other clueless individual. Please note in the copied pictures, that those are TWO fucking different winch packages! Two different boats. What's your point? The point, well there isn't one really, only that your continued internet trolling feeds some freaking need you have to fill by pulling in whatever is handy. This entire thread only sadly reminds me why I fucking cannot stand 90% of the fucking posers whom think they can sail. No, strike that, 95% of the fucking sailors whom think they know anything.

This thread was started with leading and baiting questions. It dissolved into bashing of the owner. Then the boat captain gets flayed along with his crew. Next armchair nautical design. And your evidence???? ZERO. Nothing. Nadda. Ultimately you guys are being played like fish which is by your own doing.

I think the most classic comment within the thread was the stupid fuck who commented about the contact between the commercial vessel and the cat, like the skipper of the freighter would fucking feel it? Get real.

The rig came down. Everyone has assumed or alleged that it was human error. Really? If you want a conspiracy theory take a close look at the port swept back stay at where it is cut/severed (about 3-4 feet up, and think about that). Note the turnbuckle and toggle below it. You idiots. Look back at the older video of the boat's first (original) stays. There, that should get you wound up for several pages of drivel.

You guys don't get it. This is not some version of a news site. It is a FOR PROFIT site that makes money, and sometimes it makes a lot more money by.....well you get the picture? There are those that are claiming that there is a "need to know" that "lessons can be learned." Nope, for most of you, far too late. I would recommend vasectomies.

If you want some lessons, I'll give you some. Commanders is far more reputable than your favorite T-Shirt salesman . The weather was not extreme. The boat and crew were far more sound than most (I only have to read the posts above for confirmation). Leaving that time of year from that port to that destination is NOT unusual nor should it be automatically considered negligent. A wealthy owner is not automatically a "rich asshole." Coordinated work by merchant mariners, the USCG, and the crew of Rainmaker resulted in no lives lost or injured. They had an equipment failure. Get over it. Shit happens.

I seem to remember, years ago, the "Frank" thread where anyone with balls went back and deleted their comments. I encourage the same.

Crew out

Engines accessed from OUTSIDE - no engine repairs in bad weather.

The sheets coming in in front of the wheel and instruments so it looks to me like it would be a huge PITA to crank winches and pull sheets without interfering with the helm controls and whacking the helmsman in the face too.

"Glassed in porch" design with side facing instead of aft facing companionways. Hwo that glass would have stood up to serious greenies I have no idea.

Apparently no storm shutters and glass not designed to be removed.

No sea anchor.

Some hyperbole maybe, not a lot though.

Up thread- a lot of hyperbole comparing a GB to a MacGregor. However, it is fair to point out that as delivered RM wasn't quite up to serious offshore use, as was claimed.

Mr. Kent the helm pictures can be deceiving. I suspect the wide angle lens are distorting reality. The winch pit or station can be reached on both sides by standing crew without interfering with the helmsman. You could easily have a crewmember tailing or hoisting one each side at the same time.

None of the images do the area justice that is really well in front of the wheel...

 

[NoStrings]

Those are Lemar Electric 58. Those winches will pull the clew or head out of any sail. The use of handles is normal for electric winches in sailboats. Many races do not allow them.

http://www.sailingworld.com/features/2015-boat-of-the-year/images/image-3-gunboat.jpg

Ok, I have had enough of this horseshit. Fuck me. You fuckers have run hard and wide on a subject that 90% of you know NOTHING about. You have fanned the flames of your own insanity by breathlessly shouting to the internet your conspiracy theories based upon wild assumptions made by some other clueless individual. Please note in the copied pictures, that those are TWO fucking different winch packages! Two different boats. What's your point? The point, well there isn't one really, only that your continued internet trolling feeds some freaking need you have to fill by pulling in whatever is handy. This entire thread only sadly reminds me why I fucking cannot stand 90% of the fucking posers whom think they can sail. No, strike that, 95% of the fucking sailors whom think they know anything.

This thread was started with leading and baiting questions. It dissolved into bashing of the owner. Then the boat captain gets flayed along with his crew. Next armchair nautical design. And your evidence???? ZERO. Nothing. Nadda. Ultimately you guys are being played like fish which is by your own doing.

I think the most classic comment within the thread was the stupid fuck who commented about the contact between the commercial vessel and the cat, like the skipper of the freighter would fucking feel it? Get real.

The rig came down. Everyone has assumed or alleged that it was human error. Really? If you want a conspiracy theory take a close look at the port swept back stay at where it is cut/severed (about 3-4 feet up, and think about that). Note the turnbuckle and toggle below it. You idiots. Look back at the older video of the boat's first (original) stays. There, that should get you wound up for several pages of drivel.

You guys don't get it. This is not some version of a news site. It is a FOR PROFIT site that makes money, and sometimes it makes a lot more money by.....well you get the picture? There are those that are claiming that there is a "need to know" that "lessons can be learned." Nope, for most of you, far too late. I would recommend vasectomies.

If you want some lessons, I'll give you some. Commanders is far more reputable than your favorite T-Shirt salesman . The weather was not extreme. The boat and crew were far more sound than most (I only have to read the posts above for confirmation). Leaving that time of year from that port to that destination is NOT unusual nor should it be automatically considered negligent. A wealthy owner is not automatically a "rich asshole." Coordinated work by merchant mariners, the USCG, and the crew of Rainmaker resulted in no lives lost or injured. They had an equipment failure. Get over it. Shit happens.

I seem to remember, years ago, the "Frank" thread where anyone with balls went back and deleted their comments. I encourage the same.

Crew out

Engines accessed from OUTSIDE - no engine repairs in bad weather.

The sheets coming in in front of the wheel and instruments so it looks to me like it would be a huge PITA to crank winches and pull sheets without interfering with the helm controls and whacking the helmsman in the face too.

"Glassed in porch" design with side facing instead of aft facing companionways. Hwo that glass would have stood up to serious greenies I have no idea.

Apparently no storm shutters and glass not designed to be removed.

No sea anchor.

Some hyperbole maybe, not a lot though.

Up thread- a lot of hyperbole comparing a GB to a MacGregor. However, it is fair to point out that as delivered RM wasn't quite up to serious offshore use, as was claimed.

Mr. Kent the helm pictures can be deceiving. I suspect the wide angle lens are distorting reality. The winch pit or station can be reached on both sides by standing crew without interfering with the helmsman. You could easily have a crewmember tailing or hoisting one each side at the same time.

None of the images do the area justice that is really well in front of the wheel...

You're on large doses of prednisone aren't you.

 

[Crew]

Hey Strings. Look again. Pic with guy and chick have a Harken package. Other pics have Lewmar. You only illustrate my points on multiple levels. Fucking punters.

Higher than your kites I think.

 

[fastyacht]

LOL.

 

[Ishmael]

I try to not look at guy's "packages", nor their girlfriends' if said guy is around.

 

[the_abandoned_brane]

There probably isn't much risk of crossing swords at the winch cluster, because the buttons are someplace even more disruptive. Maybe even outside?

going outside would defeat the whole purpose of the floating sun room. the chick is wearing bootys. i suppose incase she spills her wine.

 

[zenmasterfred]

Blows my mind the bombastic criticism and wild ass speculation based on the information provided!!! On many them, it is quite obvious that the poster has never ever personally been anywhere near an offshore storm with 15 foot waves coupled with big breeze. You guys have no fucking idea how challenging it is just to hang on when you are inside a washing machine, let alone even attempt to fix anything. Many readers have, and most of them are keeping there mouths shut, cause they been there and done that, and lived to sail another day. Don't whistle as you walk by the graveyard, or there by His Grace go you.......(rant off)

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