RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

[MR.CLEAN]

almost done!

 

[MR.CLEAN]

Not a gunboat 60

There is no way to compare Phaedo the older Gunboat 60
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[MR.CLEAN]

Crowley, Crowley, Crowley....hey don't we know a Crowley in the shipping biz? Maybe if we didn't ban him he could shed some insight? Just a thought.

right, that's just what he'd do!

It was a good press release though, wasn't it? Would love to see the close-up pic after the prang

 

[Boo-Yah]

Much of the bruha hear over the last fews weeks is a combination of the culture of the SA starting with the principles and the calling of anyone that dares offer another opinion a cunt, pussy, or simply Fat Dennis.. There are many who think they can dish it out here and many who have very thin skin with no ability to weather doubt in their presence... In this case we have $3M Boat that has been heavily pimped on SA coupled with a long list of very public wild claims. The better than new boat implodes less than 300 miles from the factory and disappears. SA steps up with very vocal claims that SA has all the details and will publish them shorty, tommorow and other missed dates. In one case the delay was blamed on the need to feed a wife five times a day and rub her feet 4 times a day. You can almost not make this stuff up... Then we note we will publish after the people involved approve what we wrote or want to write...

Now to a little more facts from me for others who are clearly superior to flame me on...

There is no way to compare Phaedo the older Gunboat 66 and the crew she had aboard with the brand new from a brand new factory Gunboat 55 once called Rainmaker that failed so spectacularly shortly after leaving the warranty and upgrade visit to Gunboat and the gods who create there.

Take a gander at the crew strength, depth, and stern of the very different Gunboat 60 Phaedo...

One boat wishes to be the 911, Tesla, or Prius Miracle of the Sea... The orange one is closer to a machine with a Team to make her go to Hawaii. The only similarity in my mind... they both share the GB brand, they both have two hulls, maybe they are both still floating? Yes, both "family circumnavigators" dropped a stick with pros aboard.

 

[Edith Bicknell]

Crowley, Crowley, Crowley....hey don't we know a Crowley in the shipping biz? Maybe if we didn't ban him he could shed some insight? Just a thought.

right, that's just what he'd do!

It was a good press release though, wasn't it? Would love to see the close-up pic after the prang

So Master Clean, a massive spinning prop completely exposed in 10-15 foot seas on a laden ship with 26 foot sdrft just misses the GB by feet, and your response was what again? What was your quote? I know you are not a journalist, but you do claim to be a former Master of various 3rd world snorkeling picnic boats. With that vast seagoing experience, what is your opinion of that claim? With your vast admiralty law experience, do you think the Crowley ship was negligent somehow? What is wrong with their press release ? Did you call them to get their version of the 'prang'? Or Cap Kid's version who still thinks a tanker hit him?

 

[Edith Bicknell]

+1

I think Capt Kid was confusing it with an XMen movie where Jane lifts really heavy shit like the the Bay Bridge out of the water.

 

[Edith Bicknell]

almost done!

With all the crap being spewed, some credit is due. At least this is the one place on earth, neigh dare I say in our galaxy, where there is discussion about this circle jerk going on.

 

[Jaybird]

almost done!

With all the crap being spewed, some credit is due. At least this is the one place on earth, neigh dare I say in our galaxy, where there is discussion about this circle jerk going on.

edith, this discussion is the circle jerk. Clean hurry please this has been going nowhere for way too long.

 

[Edith Bicknell]

almost done!

With all the crap being spewed, some credit is due. At least this is the one place on earth, neigh dare I say in our galaxy, where there is discussion about this circle jerk going on.

edith, this discussion is the circle jerk. Clean hurry please this has been going nowhere for way too long.

It's better than discussing elec vs hyd winches.

 

[captpiratedog]

Perhaps the choice to abandon was not the Capts after all. MAYBE..... the owner felt his almost new boat is now fucked... just fresh from the yard re-fit and now with multiple breakages and scratches...yes..many scratches... electronic issues, engine issues , cabin issues and... then the hull ????? after the ship touching it, perhaps...as a wealthy man , he felt his new boat would never be the same again and took it as a total loss ,after all that's what insurance is for right ( he MAY have thought or said) fuck it...it's a total write off...he did claim to use it for bushiness meetings , ect....

 

[phillysailor]

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

 

[Ishmael]

Perhaps the choice to abandon was not the Capts after all. MAYBE..... the owner felt his almost new boat is now fucked... just fresh from the yard re-fit and now with multiple breakages and scratches...yes..many scratches... electronic issues, engine issues , cabin issues and... then the hull ????? after the ship touching it, perhaps...as a wealthy man , he felt his new boat would never be the same again and took it as a total loss ,after all that's what insurance is for right ( he MAY have thought or said) fuck it...it's a total write off...he did claim to use it for bushiness meetings , ect....

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

I'll take the dog's view for how it all went down.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

Tying a bunch of random crap together will make a decent drogue. A sea anchor - not so much. Not having one is a major fail.

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

 

[RKoch]

Doubloon (39' CCA yawl) was caught in a hurricane off Ga coast in the early 60s. Rolled 360 which dismasted her, lost the rudder, heavily damaged the boat, and a crew member overboard and presumed lost. Crew member later able to climb aboard (he was tangled in mast/rigging, and not spotted). Boat later rolled again, bending cb and other further damage. They were riding to a makeshift sea anchor, and had sail bags lashed to stern pulpit for windage.. After the hurricane, they jury-rigged a sail and steering, and had covered about 200 miles back towards coast. A freighter spotted them, called CG, and a Cutter towed them the remaining 100 miles to Charleston. They were able to repair the boat in a rush, and make it to Newport in time for start of Bermuda Race, getting 3rd in class. Boat was from Tampa, SORC winner. I know the owner (now deceased) and the guy who went overboard.

 

[Blitz]

JPD sailed 2650mi with no keel in the 2012-13 Vendee Globe and finished 4th in his IMOCA 60.

 

[spankoka]

All I can say is the guy must have had plenty of hydraulic fluid in his eyes to mistake the Ocean Crescent for a tanker.

http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=183

 

[Jaybird]

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

And then two days of hurricane force winds and high seas break the boat up and all five aboard die.

 

[RKoch]

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

And then two days of hurricane force winds and high seas break the boat up and all five aboard die.

It's not a Hunter.

 

[fastyacht]

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

And then two days of hurricane force winds and high seas break the boat up and all five aboard die.

So much for the "global cruising" seaworthiness then? That storm did not get anywhere near the point that it would have sunk a well-found vessel.

 

[Jaybird]

So, you're the skipper of RM and you've been dismasted, suffering damage to the port side of your enclosure, both engines temporarily not available and waves are entering the cabin through the smashed windows. The owner looks at you with a determined look and says, "we are going to save this vessel, and YOU are going to tell us how."

My quick effort (albeit based on scant experience, and from the comfort of my dining room table with cup of tea) is the following.

Assign crew (with owner) to ensure that lifejackets are on and ditch kit available/augmented/documents secured. First mate assesses boat status, while I establish coms and alert authorities of PAN PAN, vessel adrift, and to create contact sched to better inform and make decisions while coms available. Owner's son is to make hot water for tea/coffee/hot meal for thermos while still power and use of stove. First mate whips out brake fluid and cleans up last of hydraulic fluid on deck and a bit in the cabin.

After assembling the crew in the starboard (dry) hull, and with a bit of food and tea, the idea for a sea anchor off the starboard hull is proffered, and thanks to a remembered thread on SA, anchors and settee cushions are used resulting in easier motion, fewer waves entering cabin from port abeam. Rear enclosure fabric, screws from toolkit and a rechargeable drill are used to (?temporarily?) seal port windows.

The longer range problems are now, rescue or salvage? And if a tow, how do you make a strong point for the towing cable? Jury rig or motors? Implications of the weather. How to seal off the port hull, given inability to close the sliding hatch. First mate not pleased by the lack of support for the longeron, either.

Ideas?

And then two days of hurricane force winds and high seas break the boat up and all five aboard die.

So much for the "global cruising" seaworthiness then? That storm did not get anywhere near the point that it would have sunk a well-found vessel.

It got to the point that two of the well founded salvage vessels decided that $500,000 was not worth the pounding that they were taking, and turned around and headed back to port.