RAINMAKER DISMASTED OFF HATTERAS IN GALE

[Boo-Yah]

Depending on the load of the ship some of the propeller can easily be out of the water even during calm seas. If you sit on the banks of the southern Mississippi River it will not take long before a ships goes churning by revealing a least some of the prop thrashing in calm water. A sea way can and will accentuate that. Here is a video of a prop during another ship to ship transfer at dead slow. Imagine falling into the sea just ahead of that wheel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKjh5OEpt0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4sFCu8aw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkIJwRR57xk

 

[Edith Bicknell]

Depending on the load of the ship some of the propeller can easily be out of the water even during calm seas. If you sit on the banks of the southern Mississippi River it will not take long before a ships goes churning by revealing a least some of the prop thrashing in calm water. A sea way can and will accentuate that. Here is a video of a prop during another ship to ship transfer at dead slow. Imagine falling into the sea just ahead of that wheel...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uKjh5OEpt0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4sFCu8aw4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkIJwRR57xk

ohh jesus.....

 

[floater]

just so i'm up to date...

is it the case that some people don't believe CB when he says he saw the props?

Saw the prop, or that it came completely out of the water? The former quite likely, the latter I'm skeptical.

is the difference really significant?

either would be scary under the circumstances

Only if one is considering the veracity of all of the facts in the report. It would be hard to confuse 'acompletely exposed massive spinning prop a few feet from our bow' with 'Saw the prop'. You can see part of a prop

when they are at the dock. This has been discussed in the Bill O'Reilly School of Journalism thread in PA, or the

'I Call Bullshit' thread. If the professional captain saw the tanker up so close (whoops, it wasnt a tanker) then I

would say the seas had to be much greater than the 10-16 feet claimed by everyone.

Also I have nothing else to fixate on yet today

All that ship and prop stuff seems pretty real to me.
Thing is - this wasn't the approach. IIUC - this was the ship passing in front, to leeward, of the Gunboat - to subsequently turn and take up a new position to windward.

We've got two professional mariners that accidentally collided at sea.

It wasn't dark, and they saw each other coming from miles away.

The best I can tell is that the RM had very limited maneuverability - but was also moving much quicker than the ship's captain anticipated.

Probably why they haven't found the boat. Put 40 knots of wind behind it and away it goes. Searching anywhere near the "debris field" was probably the last place to look.

...although a debris field ain't a good thing to find, is it?

 

[Boo-Yah]

Every Time a ship enters and leaves port pilots are transferred from a small boat to and from the ship. Every ship captain knows the drill just like a woman can park at the mall or a drunk park at the yacht club. There are hundreds of youtubes that show the procedure and protocol for a small vessel to come alongside a ship and transfer passengers and crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutmXcwB8kA

What is little discuss is the physical and mental condition of all the crew and what type of transfer each individual was up to at the time. Even just normal sea sickness would make the transfer impossible for many.

 

[fastyacht]

I want to know where the beanbag chair was before they evacuated.

Because if it was inside a hull, I think we know what came of the boat...

 

[Boo-Yah]

To the I can and would do anything in a RIB... consider this with 5 aboard.. and then offloading all 5. That is if you ever got all 5 in the the thing in the first place with water already washing up to the windshield level on the Gunboat...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muGvfSRDYZc&t=59

Barnacles would be the least of your worry. I got a dollar that says the RIB would never get away from the GB, much less rub a ship barnacle.

 

[Veeger]

Every Time a ship enters and leaves port pilots are transferred from a small boat to and from the ship. Every ship captain knows the drill just like a woman can park at the mall or a drunk park at the yacht club. There are hundreds of youtubes that show the procedure and protocol for a small vessel to come alongside a ship and transfer passengers and crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutmXcwB8kA

What is little discuss is the physical and mental condition of all the crew and what type of transfer each individual was up to at the time. Even just normal sea sickness would make the transfer impossible for many.

All true, but ship pilot transfers are done at speed, usually anywhere from 4-10 knots depending on pilot boat capabilities, sea room etc. Rainmaker was not making way, the big ship had to stop, maneuverabiity at that point is drastically different. A ship's master basically maintains course and the pilot boat does the approach. In this case, it was the opposite and very few captains are especially good at it, ... in a seaway....the first time..... (ever wonder why ports require Pilots to get on board before the ship comes inside the port???? Hmmmmm?)

 

[Ed Lada]

Every Time a ship enters and leaves port pilots are transferred from a small boat to and from the ship. Every ship captain knows the drill just like a woman can park at the mall or a drunk park at the yacht club. There are hundreds of youtubes that show the procedure and protocol for a small vessel to come alongside a ship and transfer passengers and crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutmXcwB8kA

What is little discuss is the physical and mental condition of all the crew and what type of transfer each individual was up to at the time. Even just normal sea sickness would make the transfer impossible for many.

All true, but ship pilot transfers are done at speed, usually anywhere from 4-10 knots depending on pilot boat capabilities, sea room etc. Rainmaker was not making way, the big ship had to stop, maneuverabiity at that point is drastically different. A ship's master basically maintains course and the pilot boat does the approach. In this case, it was the opposite and very few captains are especially good at it, ... in a seaway....the first time..... (ever wonder why ports require Pilots to get on board before the ship comes inside the port???? Hmmmmm?)

Because if the pilot got on when they were inside the port they wouldn't need a pilot would they?

 

[Boo-Yah]

Here is another sailboat rescue video for those that think the way to go was for the skipper to order everyone into the dinghy to scoot across and scamper onto the ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y11vKs1ZXY

 

[Veeger]

Every Time a ship enters and leaves port pilots are transferred from a small boat to and from the ship. Every ship captain knows the drill just like a woman can park at the mall or a drunk park at the yacht club. There are hundreds of youtubes that show the procedure and protocol for a small vessel to come alongside a ship and transfer passengers and crew.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutmXcwB8kA

What is little discuss is the physical and mental condition of all the crew and what type of transfer each individual was up to at the time. Even just normal sea sickness would make the transfer impossible for many.

All true, but ship pilot transfers are done at speed, usually anywhere from 4-10 knots depending on pilot boat capabilities, sea room etc. Rainmaker was not making way, the big ship had to stop, maneuverabiity at that point is drastically different. A ship's master basically maintains course and the pilot boat does the approach. In this case, it was the opposite and very few captains are especially good at it, ... in a seaway....the first time..... (ever wonder why ports require Pilots to get on board before the ship comes inside the port???? Hmmmmm?)

Because if the pilot got on when they were inside the port they wouldn't need a pilot would they?

VEEEERRY astute! Kudos!

 

[RKoch]

Here is another sailboat rescue video for those that think the way to go was for the skipper to order everyone into the dinghy to scoot across and scamper onto the ship.

Yes. The lifeboat in the video was highly manuverable, and easily pulled alongside the ship. The trouble they had was hooking the davit falls up, which of course needn't be done with the RIB. Also, those sea conditions were worse than in RM's case.In short, between the freighter, RM, and RIB, the RIB was by far the most manuverable. It is unsinkable, and very unlikely to be damaged by bumping freighter. It's probably easier for the crew to jump from the RIB to a scramble net than from the deck of the Gunboat (especially with the rolled over sheer) to a scramble net. Should a crew miss the scramble net, they aren't likely to be crushed between the RIB and ship as they are the GB and ship. Lastly, it makes the ship captains job easier. All he has to do is stop the ship beam to wind, creating a Lee...not try to chase down a drifting catamaran and position himself next to a moving target.

 

[billybob3]

mighty big looking outboard on that RIB - would it have been prudent to use RIB to tow/maneuver/push RM ?

Could RIB have been used as lifeboat as a plan 'D' in event RM did sink ?

Maybe if the RIB was jettisoned RM would not have sunk. That think looks pretty damn heavy to strap onto the ass of a light cat.

i think the GB RIB's are all carbon

Most GB RIBs are carbon OVER wood (more disruptive that way)

 

[Training Wheels]

Lucky the sunken RIB they were towing didn't get caught in the ship's prop!

 

[Ishmael]

Lucky the sunken RIB they were towing didn't get caught in the ship's prop!

So you figure the one hanging off the stern in the photos is a prop to cover up the sunken RIB?

 

[Albatros]

just so i'm up to date...

is it the case that some people don't believe CB when he says he saw the props?

Saw the prop, or that it came completely out of the water? The former quite likely, the latter I'm skeptical.

is the difference really significant?

either would be scary under the circumstances

Only if one is considering the veracity of all of the facts in the report. It would be hard to confuse 'acompletely exposed massive spinning prop a few feet from our bow' with 'Saw the prop'. You can see part of a prop

when they are at the dock. This has been discussed in the Bill O'Reilly School of Journalism thread in PA, or the

'I Call Bullshit' thread. If the professional captain saw the tanker up so close (whoops, it wasnt a tanker) then I

would say the seas had to be much greater than the 10-16 feet claimed by everyone.

Also I have nothing else to fixate on yet today

All that ship and prop stuff seems pretty real to me.

among old salts - I'd hesitate to consider myself part of that most exclusive and honorable tribe, just a hanger-on at best - the movie Martha is an all time evergreen, just have a look at the first seconds ....

(the movie is absolutely great, a gem, but mostly for those who have been at sea and recognise a load of inside jokes and references to real stuff and people)

 

[floater]

That might be a little too real...

 

[fufkin]

Sorry Fastyacht no luck with the tits. I tried to casually ask my gf for a couple of snaps this morning and she asked what I needed them for. Naturally I told her they were for research purposes. "Research? Hmm...just what kind of research is that?' ...'Nothin really...just some sailing stuff...I just joined this online discussion group to learn a few things'

Promptly she asked, "is this about my tactics?"..."no babe...no... nothing about your tactics...your tactics are just fine"

Let me explain...even though my gf knows absolutely nothing about sailing she's the tactician on my boat. From the moment I met her I knew she'd be perfect for the job. She's got natural talent and a good sea sense...in fact she can pretty much call any tack or gybe set in her sleep.

You see, on my boat we're not so much looking for subtle windshifts or playing the current as much as we are looking for changes in the sun/shade and air temperature. My girlfiend basically likes to doze off in her bikini in the cockpit and keep her tan even. It's my job to steer to that course as precisely as possible. Her good sea sense comes into play when certain sail configurations of which she is totally oblivious to start to shade her out, cooling the air temperature. This is when goosebumps start to form (this is when I know to start to prepare for a tack), followed by a hardening of the nipples...and almost like clockwork...she'll mumble in her half-sleep, 'Honey I think it's time to turn the boat.' Works like a charm. In fact...from goosebumps to hardening of the nipples to her ultimate call is pretty much always around 40 boat lengths. Now, I admit we're not really racing out there but this technique has helped keep the boat moving fast and the crew comfortable.

Now my gf is no fool. She knows she's got two of the most vital pieces of equipment I carry on board, and perhaps sensing she might be replaced by some electronic tic tac gizmo she asked, "So if its not about the way I call tactics then why do you need pictures of my tits?"

'Well...you see...I was thinking of maybe sailing down the coast a little bit...maybe stop in Newport and then down to Antigua'

'Great when do we go?'

'Well that's just it. Probably not until next January. These guys seem to think there are a lot of good weather windows around that time...seems like everyones doing it that way these days'

'Can I still call tactics'

'Absolutely'

I thought about it for a second. I knew this was a bit of a white lie. She'd have to learn that tactics and navigation are two separate yet completely related disciplines. But more to the point, how would I see her nipples underneath her foulies. Not to mention it would be so damn cold out there that time of year I'm not sure I could rely on what her instruments were telling me. If I relied on her indicators alone, her permanently hard nipples would tell me to go in circles. I would feel like I was driving a cat with one engine. Now...at times I have over-ridden what her instruments were telling me--usually when she goes from half-snooze to full-on siesta I'm on my own and have to go by instinct alone.

'I still don't get it honey...if it's not the way I call tactics then what is it? What do my tits have to do with sailing to Antigua'

I thought for a minute and before giving her the honest answer(which is e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g), 'It's these sailing anarchy guys...they've got this tits for info rule going on...and some rule about becoming an anarchist in good standing.'

'I thought anarchists didn't have any rules'

'That's what I thought'

Sensing my disappointment at being shut down and not being able to put her tits on the internet in order to deepen my sailing education, as compassionately as possible, perhaps in the half-logic that usually surfaces in a woman when in the absent minded state of putting make-up on and getting ready for something she noted, 'Don't worry honey, its been a long winter. Your boat will be back in the water soon enough"

Please excuse the hijack...now back to regularly scheduled prop wash talk.

Before I got

 

[DDW]

Here is another sailboat rescue video for those that think the way to go was for the skipper to order everyone into the dinghy to scoot across and scamper onto the ship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y11vKs1ZXY

Actually that video makes it look very easy to transfer from the RIB to the ship. The main and only problems they had were launching the life boat in the first place, and then hooking up to retrieve it. You aren't going to retrieve the RIB. Launching the RIB from RM would have been the hardest part, and that could have been done in the lee of the ship.

 

[slip knot]

Sorry Fastyacht no luck with the tits. I tried to casually ask my gf for a couple of snaps this morning and she asked what I needed them for. Naturally I told her they were for research purposes. "Research? Hmm...just what kind of research is that?' ...'Nothin really...just some sailing stuff...I just joined this online discussion group to learn a few things'

Promptly she asked, "is this about my tactics?"..."no babe...no... nothing about your tactics...your tactics are just fine"

Let me explain...even though my gf knows absolutely nothing about sailing she's the tactician on my boat. From the moment I met her I knew she'd be perfect for the job. She's got natural talent and a good sea sense...in fact she can pretty much call any tack or gybe set in her sleep.

You see, on my boat we're not so much looking for subtle windshifts or playing the current as much as we are looking for changes in the sun/shade and air temperature. My girlfiend basically likes to doze off in her bikini in the cockpit and keep her tan even. It's my job to steer to that course as precisely as possible. Her good sea sense comes into play when certain sail configurations of which she is totally oblivious to start to shade her out, cooling the air temperature. This is when goosebumps start to form (this is when I know to start to prepare for a tack), followed by a hardening of the nipples...and almost like clockwork...she'll mumble in her half-sleep, 'Honey I think it's time to turn the boat.' Works like a charm. In fact...from goosebumps to hardening of the nipples to her ultimate call is pretty much always around 40 boat lengths. Now, I admit we're not really racing out there but this technique has helped keep the boat moving fast and the crew comfortable.

Now my gf is no fool. She knows she's got two of the most vital pieces of equipment I carry on board, and perhaps sensing she might be replaced by some electronic tic tac gizmo she asked, "So if its not about the way I call tactics then why do you need pictures of my tits?"

'Well...you see...I was thinking of maybe sailing down the coast a little bit...maybe stop in Newport and then down to Antigua'

'Great when do we go?'

'Well that's just it. Probably not until next January. These guys seem to think there are a lot of good weather windows around that time...seems like everyones doing it that way these days'

'Can I still call tactics'

'Absolutely'

I thought about it for a second. I knew this was a bit of a white lie. She'd have to learn that tactics and navigation are two separate yet completely related disciplines. But more to the point, how would I see her nipples underneath her foulies. Not to mention it would be so damn cold out there that time of year I'm not sure I could rely on what her instruments were telling me. If I relied on her indicators alone, her permanently hard nipples would tell me to go in circles. I would feel like I was driving a cat with one engine. Now...at times I have over-ridden what her instruments were telling me--usually when she goes from half-snooze to full-on siesta I'm on my own and have to go by instinct alone.

'I still don't get it honey...if it's not the way I call tactics then what is it? What do my tits have to do with sailing to Antigua'

I thought for a minute and before giving her the honest answer(which is e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g), 'It's these sailing anarchy guys...they've got this tits for info rule going on...and some rule about becoming an anarchist in good standing.'

'I thought anarchists didn't have any rules'

'That's what I thought'

Sensing my disappointment at being shut down and not being able to put her tits on the internet in order to deepen my sailing education, as compassionately as possible, perhaps in the half-logic that usually surfaces in a woman when in the absent minded state of putting make-up on and getting ready for something she noted, 'Don't worry honey, its been a long winter. Your boat will be back in the water soon enough"

Please excuse the hijack...now back to regularly scheduled prop wash talk.

Before I got

Maybe my reading comprehension is screwed up today, not sure. Are you posting pics of her tits or not?

Some of us learn by visuals, instead of reading.

 

[Whitebread117]

Sorry Fastyacht no luck with the tits. I tried to casually ask my gf for a couple of snaps this morning and she asked what I needed them for. Naturally I told her they were for research purposes. "Research? Hmm...just what kind of research is that?' ...'Nothin really...just some sailing stuff...I just joined this online discussion group to learn a few things'

Promptly she asked, "is this about my tactics?"..."no babe...no... nothing about your tactics...your tactics are just fine"

Let me explain...even though my gf knows absolutely nothing about sailing she's the tactician on my boat. From the moment I met her I knew she'd be perfect for the job. She's got natural talent and a good sea sense...in fact she can pretty much call any tack or gybe set in her sleep.

You see, on my boat we're not so much looking for subtle windshifts or playing the current as much as we are looking for changes in the sun/shade and air temperature. My girlfiend basically likes to doze off in her bikini in the cockpit and keep her tan even. It's my job to steer to that course as precisely as possible. Her good sea sense comes into play when certain sail configurations of which she is totally oblivious to start to shade her out, cooling the air temperature. This is when goosebumps start to form (this is when I know to start to prepare for a tack), followed by a hardening of the nipples...and almost like clockwork...she'll mumble in her half-sleep, 'Honey I think it's time to turn the boat.' Works like a charm. In fact...from goosebumps to hardening of the nipples to her ultimate call is pretty much always around 40 boat lengths. Now, I admit we're not really racing out there but this technique has helped keep the boat moving fast and the crew comfortable.

Now my gf is no fool. She knows she's got two of the most vital pieces of equipment I carry on board, and perhaps sensing she might be replaced by some electronic tic tac gizmo she asked, "So if its not about the way I call tactics then why do you need pictures of my tits?"

'Well...you see...I was thinking of maybe sailing down the coast a little bit...maybe stop in Newport and then down to Antigua'

'Great when do we go?'

'Well that's just it. Probably not until next January. These guys seem to think there are a lot of good weather windows around that time...seems like everyones doing it that way these days'

'Can I still call tactics'

'Absolutely'

I thought about it for a second. I knew this was a bit of a white lie. She'd have to learn that tactics and navigation are two separate yet completely related disciplines. But more to the point, how would I see her nipples underneath her foulies. Not to mention it would be so damn cold out there that time of year I'm not sure I could rely on what her instruments were telling me. If I relied on her indicators alone, her permanently hard nipples would tell me to go in circles. I would feel like I was driving a cat with one engine. Now...at times I have over-ridden what her instruments were telling me--usually when she goes from half-snooze to full-on siesta I'm on my own and have to go by instinct alone.

'I still don't get it honey...if it's not the way I call tactics then what is it? What do my tits have to do with sailing to Antigua'

I thought for a minute and before giving her the honest answer(which is e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g), 'It's these sailing anarchy guys...they've got this tits for info rule going on...and some rule about becoming an anarchist in good standing.'

'I thought anarchists didn't have any rules'

'That's what I thought'

Sensing my disappointment at being shut down and not being able to put her tits on the internet in order to deepen my sailing education, as compassionately as possible, perhaps in the half-logic that usually surfaces in a woman when in the absent minded state of putting make-up on and getting ready for something she noted, 'Don't worry honey, its been a long winter. Your boat will be back in the water soon enough"

Please excuse the hijack...now back to regularlregularlyy scheduled prop wash talk.

Before I got

And people assumed I was a sock...
Whatever (insert sock of regular forum user of your choice here), next time ask her if you can borrow your balls back before you start with the other questions, you might get farther that way.