Super Anarchist
OK, what deck hatches do you like other than the solid aluminum USCG rated units?? Must allow light to pass thru, reasonably easy to open. Are there any options other than the Lewmar type?? Offhand I can't come up with a hatch that has any major extra strength than the Lewmar type.
If you are building to a standard, you need to choose hatches that meet or exceed the standard. For instance, a yacht built to European standards would meet an appropriate design category and be approved and documented under ISO 12216. Category A is ocean. An example is here (for Vetus):


The "Lewmar type" are appropriate where they meet the standards you are building to, as well as design criteria independent of any standard. Even within approved products with identical paperwork, you will find differences in quality or details. If the light breaks, is the hatch useless? Can you fit a blanking plate? What are the dogs made of? What is the test pressure? Etc. Some products exceed standards by large margins, others don't.

Ocean sailing really requires prudence in these matters and merely meeting minimum standards is not enough, in my opinion. Deck openings on small boats are *especially* important because we rarely have true subdivision belowdecks. But because the majority of sailing is done near shore or in summer conditions offshore, the expectations are simply not the same as they are on a commercial vessel, where this is more likely what you have, more or less:




I'll add that on big boats, I've done custom made hatches with glued-in laminated safety glass lights. Each has a blanking plate carried onboard.

Last edited by a moderator:


Super Anarchist
I haven't seen any yacht hatches that weren't crap. Some are shiny crap. Some are plasticy crap. Some are just crap.



Super Anarchist
Was the waterspout that PJ speaks of mentioned in any of the accounts of the incident made at the time?

I don't recall the word `waterspout' used by the crew at all...



The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Was the waterspout that PJ speaks of mentioned in any of the accounts of the incident made at the time?

I don't recall the word `waterspout' used by the crew at all...
I believe that was the term used to explain the calamity, after the fact.



Super Anarchist
Let's say some pour slob brings it to shore next to the GB Barn and hands it over gratis

What would it cost less that Building 100% New would working around all the broken Bits Cost to restore ?

What % of New Cost would a 100% Restored to As-New GB be worth with a Salvage Title ?

is the Wine aging properly ?

any reason someone isn't required to put a tower w Lights/Flag and an Transponder on it ??

shouldn't it just be Sunk before it sinks w some other boat that hits it ??

Anyone see the Flyin Hawaiian lately - During the rescue for that matter ???
Assuming the wine has aged properly and the wine cellar and caviar stores are uncomprimised it might make sense to salvage it.



Super Anarchist
Kent Island!
I have Atkins and Hoyle hatches that have taken some incredible abuse and still are totally intact and water-tight*.

* well they are 42 years old and I have put some Creeping Crack Cure around a few screw heads. I think I'll need new glass sooner or later. The gaskets remain totally water tight.



From the FB page:


Five months after the owner and crew abandoned her, Rainmaker continues to take care of herself. Months of North Atlantic wintertime gales. Spotted June 16 at 5pm at Lat 35.36.282 N

Lon 062.17.187 W

Thank you Capt Reinhard Peer aboard the Hapag-Lloyd containership Chicago Express for the info and pictures. Rainmaker owner and insurance have been given the info. Let's go get her!! Rainmaker deserves better than this!"
Wow! Five months and it has nearly sunk. Lucky everybody was "rescued". They'd be out of caviar and wine by now if the CG hadn't risked their lives so that no one would be inconvenienced.
Last edited by a moderator:
This Gunboat 55 has a few serious shortcomings for a vessel touted as a safe short handed long range cruiser, such as no lower shrouds connecting the chain plates to the diamond spreader, as found on the older Gunboats designed by Morrelli & Melvin, too much unsupported glass areas in a structurally weak cabin and a poorly designed aft enclosure system - features most often found on daysailing "picnic" boats...

The head of the square top mainsail is directly below the diamond spreader on the third reef causing a heavy load on the mast section just below it and the lack of lower shrouds to counter this load may well be the cause of the dismasting...

As for the seamanship displayed, I cannot figure why a captain would put his engines in gear without ensuring all lines were clear of the props and preferrably onboard: prop fouling in this case was a big mistake, as the boat with enough fuel on board still had the option to motor back to port on one or both engines and save the day...

Nobody has mentioned that a parachute sea anchor was part of the safety equipment and that strong and chafe free attachment points had been installed to support a bridle. This is a must for a catamaran expecting a rough passage: I always carried one in my cat on an ocean passage, even though it never got used...

The decision to abandon the "picnic" boat was the right one in light of the design shortcomings and the mistakes already made by the captain: the fact that the last photos now show a water logged "decapitated" wreck confirm that it was the right decision...



Super Anarchist
Kent Island!
It is poor form to not include a source for two reasons.

1. The original author should get credit.

2. It is nice to know if Dennis Connor or Dennis the wino behind the dumpster who has never seen a boat is the source.


billy backstay

Backstay, never bought a suit, never went to Vegas
Whose writing are you copying and pasting, newbie?
Why don't you address the original content of the post rather than attack the person who posted it?...
If you think that was an "attack", then this might not be the proper sandbox for your sensitive sensibilities? May I suggest Sailnet, or Scuttlebutt? :p

I would say that the content posted in the comments area of the Scuttlebutt article, may well be spot on...

Last edited by a moderator:

Latest posts

SA Podcast

Sailing Anarchy Podcast with Scot Tempesta

Sponsored By: