You tell me.
Bet you one Bazillion dollars it isn't with the police.
Rape trial dropped because attacks on the accuser endanger her health?
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Bet you one Bazillion dollars it isn't with the police.
Not at all.
You have the potential to become a rational human being.
Hell, there is even the potential that you might get laid one day.
But like the potential of the stat dec, yours is unrealised.
Ease the sheet.
ignoring stupid people is easy
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LB's is much more refined.
ShortForBob
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It will be with The Australian. They were first with the other rapes "news"
The court ordered the articles taken down.
It was referenced the first time I brought this up.
Go look for it.
edit.
I know you wont so I did. I don't know if this fourth woman's formal report is the same Stat dec I read about somewhere. (Jesus, unravelling this even without the trash media's "info" is like untangling 5 fishing reelside a gunny sack.)
Nope. The stat dec comes from the woman allegedly raped in 2016
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Third woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by same man accused of raping Brittany Higgins
A third woman alleges she was sexually assaulted by the same former federal government advisor accused of raping former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins.
www.abc.net.au
A third woman has alleged she was sexually assaulted by the same former federal government advisor accused of raping former Liberal staffer Brittany Higgins.
Key points:
- The report is carried in The Australian newspaper today
- The rape reportedly happened in 2016, three years before the Brittany Higgins incident
- A bipartisan inquiry into Parliament's workplace culture is set to be established next week
The Australian newspaper today reported that the woman alleges she was assaulted after a night of drinking with the then-political staffer while volunteering for the Coalition's 2016 election campaign.
She spoke to the newspaper on the condition of anonymity but has reportedly provided a statutory declaration to support her claims.
Fourth woman alleges former staffer at centre of rape allegations 'stroked her thigh'
A fourth woman reveals to Four Corners that she has made an allegation to police about the former staffer at the centre of what is currently Australia's biggest political scandal.
www.abc.net.au
Key points:
- The latest woman to come forward alleges the man stroked her thigh under the table at a Canberra bar in 2017
- She is the fourth woman to come forward with allegations against the man
- Two other women made allegations to The Australian newspaper after Brittany Higgins went public with her rape allegation last week
The woman, who made a formal report at a police station in Canberra on Sunday, has come forward after Ms Higgins alleged last week that she was raped in the office of the then-defence industry minister Linda Reynolds after drinks with the man in March 2019.
Two other women — a Liberal staffer and a former Coalition volunteer — also made allegations to The Australian newspaper that they were sexually assaulted by the same former staffer.
The fourth woman, who for now wishes to remain anonymous, told the ABC that when she learned the identity of Ms Higgins's alleged rapist through staffer networks, she winced — she remembered him as being "really sleazy".
The second woman, who has not been identified, has told The Weekend Australian newspaper she is also a former Liberals staffer.
She alleges the man raped her last year, after the pair had dinner and drinks.
She has told the newspaper she has come forward to help Ms Higgins shine a light on the culture in Federal Parliament, and suggested her assault may never have happened if Ms Higgins had been properly supported in 2019.
PM 'upset' to learn of second rape claim against man accused by Brittany Higgins
Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he is "upset" to read reports that a second woman was allegedly raped by the same man accused of sexually assaulting former Liberals staffer Brittany Higgins.
www.abc.net.au
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ShortForBob
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That's a bit harsh.
LB 15
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Well well, the 3 stooges had a big night! Of course most of us have better things to do on a Saturday night than sit on our computers in our basements twisting and torturing facts and citing hearsay to try and convince ourselves that all rapes are committed by, and covered up by ‘Dem righties’.
Personally, the bride and I went to Christmas drinks at the Yacht house and then dinner with friends at the local Italian.
I know that pounding the keyboard with a vein throbbing on your forehead, frantically googling, cut and pasting and searching (fruitlessly I might add) for anything that might make your case is quality time, but for most of us, posting on SA is for when you have nothing better to do. Which Saturday night isn’t for most normal people. Meli’s head in particular is exploding and she was getting a real role on- reminiscent of Jacks all night posting benders when he was off his meds.
Personally, the bride and I went to Christmas drinks at the Yacht house and then dinner with friends at the local Italian.
I know that pounding the keyboard with a vein throbbing on your forehead, frantically googling, cut and pasting and searching (fruitlessly I might add) for anything that might make your case is quality time, but for most of us, posting on SA is for when you have nothing better to do. Which Saturday night isn’t for most normal people. Meli’s head in particular is exploding and she was getting a real role on- reminiscent of Jacks all night posting benders when he was off his meds.
Fah Kiew Tu
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Local community Christmas get together here. Lotta boat owners from racing types to cruising ones both retired and active. Good conversation, decent food, a couple drinks and home. Nice night and for once it wasn't raining. Even warm, the temperature was over 12C.
I think the clown show in this thread is sputtering to a finish. Meli has managed to make herself look even more stupid, biased and ignorant than in past threads, so it's a good note for her to finish on for the year.
Perhaps she'll fuck off back to Greece and take her wannabe toy-boy Easy with her. We're stuck with Randumb, unfortunately, nobody would give him a passport or a visa.
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Saturday night has no special significance when you are in full control of your life. I can nominate any day I want to celebrate life. Meanwhile you are still towing the line of those around you. Dancing to the tune.
NO wonder you have to bully people around here, overcompensating much.
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During the trial I heard someone complaining about Reynold's husband being in court every day but did not really understand why this was a practical problem. Now I understand.
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But the letter also shows he complained about the conduct of Reynolds, describing it as “disturbing”.
During the trial, the ACT supreme court heard Reynolds had texted defence barrister Steven Whybrow while Higgins was in the witness box, seeking transcripts of her evidence in the trial. The request was made two hours into Higgins’ cross-examination on 6 October.
Reynolds also suggested to Whybrow that texts between Higgins and another former Reynolds staffer, Nicole Hamer, may be “revealing”.
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Drumgold also asked why she had been attempting to seek transcripts of evidence, prompting Reynolds to say she was “curious to know what had been said”. She said she was later advised it was inappropriate and the transcripts were not sent.
Reynolds was also pressed on why her partner was in the court.
She said her partner had been clearly instructed not to speak with her about the case, and that they had not done so.
Drumgold said: “You’re saying that your partner has sat in the back of the court through Ms Higgins’s evidence and you’ve not once asked him about Ms Higgins’ evidence?”
Reynolds replied: “He has been very clear – my lawyer was very clear with him not to discuss it with me. Yes.”
Bruce Lehrmann trial: ACT’s top prosecutor complained about Linda Reynolds’ ‘disturbing’ conduct
Reynolds has denied attempting to coach Bruce Lehrmann’s defence and rejected allegations that she was politically invested in the trial outcome....
But the letter also shows he complained about the conduct of Reynolds, describing it as “disturbing”.
During the trial, the ACT supreme court heard Reynolds had texted defence barrister Steven Whybrow while Higgins was in the witness box, seeking transcripts of her evidence in the trial. The request was made two hours into Higgins’ cross-examination on 6 October.
Reynolds also suggested to Whybrow that texts between Higgins and another former Reynolds staffer, Nicole Hamer, may be “revealing”.
...
Drumgold also asked why she had been attempting to seek transcripts of evidence, prompting Reynolds to say she was “curious to know what had been said”. She said she was later advised it was inappropriate and the transcripts were not sent.
Reynolds was also pressed on why her partner was in the court.
She said her partner had been clearly instructed not to speak with her about the case, and that they had not done so.
Drumgold said: “You’re saying that your partner has sat in the back of the court through Ms Higgins’s evidence and you’ve not once asked him about Ms Higgins’ evidence?”
Reynolds replied: “He has been very clear – my lawyer was very clear with him not to discuss it with me. Yes.”
LB 15
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Do you get your butthurt cream on you pearls when you clutch them or do you use different hands?
ShortForBob
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I wonder what else the jury heard?
There is a downside in refusing to face the prosecutor
www.theguardian.com
A judge described evidence alleging Bruce Lehrmann previously “made a pass” at Brittany Higgins as “plainly relevant” to allegations that he raped her in Parliament House weeks later, a newly released judgment shows.
Chief justice Lucy McCallum on Friday released a judgment made during the high-profile Lehrmann trial following objections from Lehrmann’s defence, which argued against the admissibility of evidence about an alleged prior attempt to kiss Higgins.
Lehrmann has consistently maintained his innocence and pleaded not guilty to one charge of sexual intercourse without consent, saying no sexual activity occurred with Higgins, a fellow political staffer. The trial against him collapsed in October due to juror misconduct, leaving him with the presumption of innocence.
During the trial, the defence objected to the jury hearing evidence, given by Higgins to police, that alleged Lehrmann had “made a pass at me and tried to kiss me”.
Higgins alleged to police that the incident had happened during a sitting week at the Kingston hotel, a Canberra pub, in 2019, weeks before the night of the alleged rape.
She said she rebuffed him.
“I was leaving, he was leaving,” she told police. “He was about to get into a taxi and he tried to kiss me and I kind of was shocked by it. I’d just broken up with Ben [Dillaway]. Um, and you know, I just kind of politely rebuffed him and we never really talked about it again.”
The evidence was given during a second police interview with Higgins. It occurred after Lehrmann himself had already been interviewed by police, leaving police unable to ask him about it.
Lehrmann’s barrister argued this meant the evidence of the alleged kiss should not be placed before the jury. He argued that its probative value was far outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice to his client, because Lehrmann had no chance to put his position about the allegation to the jury in interview form.
McCallum ruled against him.
“In my opinion, evidence that the accused ‘made a pass’ at the complainant and tried to kiss her some weeks before the alleged sexual assault is plainly relevant in that it is capable of demonstrating his interest in her,” she ruled.
She said the unfairness could be dealt with by “an easy remedy”. That remedy was to inform the jury of the fact that the allegation was made after Lehrmann’s interview, and that, had he been asked about it, he would have denied it.
The evidence was put before the jury.
There is a downside in refusing to face the prosecutor
Bruce Lehrmann case: judgment reveals why contested allegation he tried to kiss Higgins was admitted as evidence
Chief justice Lucy McCallum has released a judgment made during the trial following objections from Lehrmann’s defence
www.theguardian.com
A judge described evidence alleging Bruce Lehrmann previously “made a pass” at Brittany Higgins as “plainly relevant” to allegations that he raped her in Parliament House weeks later, a newly released judgment shows.
Chief justice Lucy McCallum on Friday released a judgment made during the high-profile Lehrmann trial following objections from Lehrmann’s defence, which argued against the admissibility of evidence about an alleged prior attempt to kiss Higgins.
Lehrmann has consistently maintained his innocence and pleaded not guilty to one charge of sexual intercourse without consent, saying no sexual activity occurred with Higgins, a fellow political staffer. The trial against him collapsed in October due to juror misconduct, leaving him with the presumption of innocence.
During the trial, the defence objected to the jury hearing evidence, given by Higgins to police, that alleged Lehrmann had “made a pass at me and tried to kiss me”.
Higgins alleged to police that the incident had happened during a sitting week at the Kingston hotel, a Canberra pub, in 2019, weeks before the night of the alleged rape.
She said she rebuffed him.
“I was leaving, he was leaving,” she told police. “He was about to get into a taxi and he tried to kiss me and I kind of was shocked by it. I’d just broken up with Ben [Dillaway]. Um, and you know, I just kind of politely rebuffed him and we never really talked about it again.”
The evidence was given during a second police interview with Higgins. It occurred after Lehrmann himself had already been interviewed by police, leaving police unable to ask him about it.
Lehrmann’s barrister argued this meant the evidence of the alleged kiss should not be placed before the jury. He argued that its probative value was far outweighed by the danger of unfair prejudice to his client, because Lehrmann had no chance to put his position about the allegation to the jury in interview form.
McCallum ruled against him.
“In my opinion, evidence that the accused ‘made a pass’ at the complainant and tried to kiss her some weeks before the alleged sexual assault is plainly relevant in that it is capable of demonstrating his interest in her,” she ruled.
She said the unfairness could be dealt with by “an easy remedy”. That remedy was to inform the jury of the fact that the allegation was made after Lehrmann’s interview, and that, had he been asked about it, he would have denied it.
The evidence was put before the jury.
ShortForBob
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Higgins and Lehrmann may soon become minor players in this growing saga.
Politicians and police colluding to discredit a rape victim and interfere with trial evidence is bigger than the individuals concerned.
www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au
The ACT government is considering an independent inquiry into the prosecution of former federal ministerial adviser Bruce Lehrmann for the alleged rape of colleague Brittany Higgins, amid serious concerns about the way the case was handled.
The now-discontinued matter could also be the subject of further legal proceedings, with lawyers for Lehrmann understood to be entertaining the possibility of a malicious prosecution action under civil law.
ACT Attorney-General Shane Rattenbury is known to be troubled by aspects of the handling of the high-profile case, which centred on the allegation that Lehrmann raped Higgins in the Parliament House ministerial office in which both worked, after a drunken night out with colleagues in March 2019. Lehrmann denies any sexual contact occurred. Rattenbury’s office declined to respond to questions this week.
But The Saturday Paper understands Rattenbury is giving serious consideration to an independent inquiry into the handling of the case and is examining possible mechanisms for establishing one.
The moves come after ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, SC, privately called for an inquiry, alleging police investigators were biased in favour of the defence. In an extraordinary letter from Drumgold to ACT Chief Police Officer Neil Gaughan, dated November 1 and obtained by Guardian Australia on Thursday under freedom of information laws, Drumgold accuses police of engaging in “a very clear campaign” to pressure him not to prosecute Lehrmann and cherrypicking evidence to suggest weaknesses in the case.
Drumgold alleged investigators engaged in “inappropriate interference”. He said an inquiry was needed into “both political and police conduct”. He also said investigators had bullied Brittany Higgins, prompting changes that required them to contact her through an intermediary.
The letter reveals a deep rift between police and the prosecution in the lead-up to, and during, the court proceedings. Before the letter was made public, at least one Canberra lawyer had begun a public campaign to have Drumgold sacked over his handling of the case.
Both sides in the cancelled case harbour strong objections to the way matters have unfolded since the 2019 rape allegation was made public last year, ranging from the manner in which police dealt with the complainant and her evidence, to how and why the prosecution was run. Across the wider legal community, concerns are also being expressed that the case fell short of expected standards. Some question whether it should have proceeded at all.
The revelation of a possible independent inquiry comes as both ACT Policing and the Australian Federal Police refuse to reveal the status of a complaint Higgins made to ACT Policing eight months ago, after they wrongly provided notes from her personal counselling sessions to Lehrmann’s then lawyer.
Higgins lodged the complaint in late April when it was revealed that a brief of evidence ACT Policing had provided to the defence contained private, non-disclosable material. The brief, sent to lawyer Warwick Korn last year, included two years of Higgins’s confidential counselling notes and the video recordings of her two evidence-in-chief interviews, neither of which were supposed to be provided. Korn insisted at the time that he did not access the brief before it was replaced with the correct version.
The brief … included two years of Higgins’s confidential counselling notes and the video recordings of her two evidence-in-chief interviews, neither of which were supposed to be provided.
A furious Drumgold informed Higgins about the issue in April. He had discovered that not only had exempt material been provided but it had been sent directly to Lehrmann’s lawyer, rather than through the office of the DPP, as required.
The ABC reported the mistake on April 27, along with details of Higgins’s complaint about it, lodged a week earlier under the Evidence (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1991. The legislation states that sexual assault counselling notes are protected and require a special application to be disclosed. Drumgold is understood to also have made a complaint.
At the time, police refused to comment, citing the continuing legal proceedings in the rape case. Following Drumgold’s announcement on Friday last week that the case had been discontinued, The Saturday Paper sought an update on the internal police investigation into the complaint. ACT Policing did not respond, instead forwarding the inquiry to the Australian Federal Police, who declined to disclose what, if anything, had resulted from police investigating themselves for the past eight months. The Saturday Paper understands that at time of press, Higgins had received no resolution to her complaint.
Drumgold’s office also declined to comment. Notes that Drumgold made of his email exchanges with ACT Policing’s manager of criminal investigations, Detective Superintendent Scott Moller, at the time indicate he only discovered that police had provided the evidence brief to Korn when the case came up for mention in court on September 16, 2021.
The notes, seen by The Saturday Paper, reveal that Drumgold wrote to Moller the next day reminding him that the brief for the defence was supposed to be provided via his office and seeking assurance that it had not contained the sensitive material.
According to Drumgold’s notes, Moller did not respond for five days. When he did, he confirmed the material had been included. Drumgold wrote back immediately expressing “deep concerns”, demanding police take urgent action to retrieve and destroy the brief and that they obtain statements from those involved in its distribution on how and why it occurred.
The exchange of emails between Drumgold and Moller continued throughout October and November and into the new year, with Moller revealing he had been responsible for providing the brief at the instruction of his boss, Deputy Chief Police Officer Michael Chew. Reasons given included that the DPP had assessed the brief, the investigation had been independently reviewed, there was a desire to move quickly and that the Covid-19 pandemic required efficiency.
Lehrmann’s trial had originally been scheduled for June this year, but was delayed because of potentially prejudicial comments made by journalist Lisa Wilkinson in an acceptance speech at the Logie Awards.
Politicians and police colluding to discredit a rape victim and interfere with trial evidence is bigger than the individuals concerned.
Exclusive: Inquiry likely into Lehrmann prosecution
The ACT government is considering an independent inquiry into the Bruce Lehrmann case. At the same time, a letter from the Director of Public Prosecutions alleges political and police interference in the matter.
The now-discontinued matter could also be the subject of further legal proceedings, with lawyers for Lehrmann understood to be entertaining the possibility of a malicious prosecution action under civil law.
ACT Attorney-General Shane Rattenbury is known to be troubled by aspects of the handling of the high-profile case, which centred on the allegation that Lehrmann raped Higgins in the Parliament House ministerial office in which both worked, after a drunken night out with colleagues in March 2019. Lehrmann denies any sexual contact occurred. Rattenbury’s office declined to respond to questions this week.
But The Saturday Paper understands Rattenbury is giving serious consideration to an independent inquiry into the handling of the case and is examining possible mechanisms for establishing one.
The moves come after ACT Director of Public Prosecutions Shane Drumgold, SC, privately called for an inquiry, alleging police investigators were biased in favour of the defence. In an extraordinary letter from Drumgold to ACT Chief Police Officer Neil Gaughan, dated November 1 and obtained by Guardian Australia on Thursday under freedom of information laws, Drumgold accuses police of engaging in “a very clear campaign” to pressure him not to prosecute Lehrmann and cherrypicking evidence to suggest weaknesses in the case.
Drumgold alleged investigators engaged in “inappropriate interference”. He said an inquiry was needed into “both political and police conduct”. He also said investigators had bullied Brittany Higgins, prompting changes that required them to contact her through an intermediary.
The letter reveals a deep rift between police and the prosecution in the lead-up to, and during, the court proceedings. Before the letter was made public, at least one Canberra lawyer had begun a public campaign to have Drumgold sacked over his handling of the case.
Both sides in the cancelled case harbour strong objections to the way matters have unfolded since the 2019 rape allegation was made public last year, ranging from the manner in which police dealt with the complainant and her evidence, to how and why the prosecution was run. Across the wider legal community, concerns are also being expressed that the case fell short of expected standards. Some question whether it should have proceeded at all.
The revelation of a possible independent inquiry comes as both ACT Policing and the Australian Federal Police refuse to reveal the status of a complaint Higgins made to ACT Policing eight months ago, after they wrongly provided notes from her personal counselling sessions to Lehrmann’s then lawyer.
Higgins lodged the complaint in late April when it was revealed that a brief of evidence ACT Policing had provided to the defence contained private, non-disclosable material. The brief, sent to lawyer Warwick Korn last year, included two years of Higgins’s confidential counselling notes and the video recordings of her two evidence-in-chief interviews, neither of which were supposed to be provided. Korn insisted at the time that he did not access the brief before it was replaced with the correct version.
The brief … included two years of Higgins’s confidential counselling notes and the video recordings of her two evidence-in-chief interviews, neither of which were supposed to be provided.
A furious Drumgold informed Higgins about the issue in April. He had discovered that not only had exempt material been provided but it had been sent directly to Lehrmann’s lawyer, rather than through the office of the DPP, as required.
The ABC reported the mistake on April 27, along with details of Higgins’s complaint about it, lodged a week earlier under the Evidence (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1991. The legislation states that sexual assault counselling notes are protected and require a special application to be disclosed. Drumgold is understood to also have made a complaint.
At the time, police refused to comment, citing the continuing legal proceedings in the rape case. Following Drumgold’s announcement on Friday last week that the case had been discontinued, The Saturday Paper sought an update on the internal police investigation into the complaint. ACT Policing did not respond, instead forwarding the inquiry to the Australian Federal Police, who declined to disclose what, if anything, had resulted from police investigating themselves for the past eight months. The Saturday Paper understands that at time of press, Higgins had received no resolution to her complaint.
Drumgold’s office also declined to comment. Notes that Drumgold made of his email exchanges with ACT Policing’s manager of criminal investigations, Detective Superintendent Scott Moller, at the time indicate he only discovered that police had provided the evidence brief to Korn when the case came up for mention in court on September 16, 2021.
The notes, seen by The Saturday Paper, reveal that Drumgold wrote to Moller the next day reminding him that the brief for the defence was supposed to be provided via his office and seeking assurance that it had not contained the sensitive material.
According to Drumgold’s notes, Moller did not respond for five days. When he did, he confirmed the material had been included. Drumgold wrote back immediately expressing “deep concerns”, demanding police take urgent action to retrieve and destroy the brief and that they obtain statements from those involved in its distribution on how and why it occurred.
The exchange of emails between Drumgold and Moller continued throughout October and November and into the new year, with Moller revealing he had been responsible for providing the brief at the instruction of his boss, Deputy Chief Police Officer Michael Chew. Reasons given included that the DPP had assessed the brief, the investigation had been independently reviewed, there was a desire to move quickly and that the Covid-19 pandemic required efficiency.
Lehrmann’s trial had originally been scheduled for June this year, but was delayed because of potentially prejudicial comments made by journalist Lisa Wilkinson in an acceptance speech at the Logie Awards.
ShortForBob
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Maybe L's team taking a leaf out of the Trump book.
Delay at every opportunity until you wear out the prosecution, the complainant, the jury .
I'd love to know who's paying his legal fee's. Some secret trust fund maybe.
Delay at every opportunity until you wear out the prosecution, the complainant, the jury .
I'd love to know who's paying his legal fee's. Some secret trust fund maybe.
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WT actual F?? PreJudIcial you fucking idiot.
You spell like a goldfish with a speech impediment. Stop with the day drinking and put the bong away.
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Here we have another case of the asymmetric legal system.
"He then beat the crap out of me from head to foot kicking me in the belly over and over again, trying to kill my baby," Chloe said.
"The baby died inside, I bled all over the floor and I nearly died."
The royal commission heard after an investigation the personal assistant was charged with multiple counts of "rape, grievous bodily harm, torture and assault."
Chloe told the inquiry the man was found not guilty by the jury.
Woman living with cerebral palsy tells disability royal commission she was 'raped and assaulted' by carer
She told the DRC she "nearly died" and lost her baby in one of the attacks in 2016."He then beat the crap out of me from head to foot kicking me in the belly over and over again, trying to kill my baby," Chloe said.
"The baby died inside, I bled all over the floor and I nearly died."
The royal commission heard after an investigation the personal assistant was charged with multiple counts of "rape, grievous bodily harm, torture and assault."
Chloe told the inquiry the man was found not guilty by the jury.
