Replacing Halyards

[pcoe]

I know there has been a lot of discussions on lines and I have searched the forum but could not find what I was looking for.
I am replacing all the halyards on my (newly purchased) C&C 110. I will be weekend sailing and also racing as I have time throughout the season. Looking for a performance base halyard lines not 'cruising' lines i.e. sta set. I will be purchasing 10mm / 3/8".

I have narrowed down to the following based on material construction and costs: (But also if someone has another line they liked, please comment)

- Marlow D2 Club; SK38 core
(Strength is ok but I could not find the enlongation / stretch data. Probably similar to all SK38 core which is around 1% to 1.2% and that would be probably fine. Priced much lower than some of the other selections. Because it is priced lower, I could increase the diameter to 11mm, which my clutches will handle just fine. This will increase the strength of the line thus lowering the stretch based on my sailboat's loads)

- Roblin Admiral 5000; SK78 core
(I like the fact that it has the SK78 core, good diameter and performance data) This may be a good fit. Plus with the color coded core, I could remove a portion of the cover as an option)

- Sampson Warpspeed II; SK78 core
(I love the line and data, but Iam concern that the 10mm/3/8" is actually 9mm and may not function extremely well within my current clutches. My clutches work well from 10mm to 12mm. Bumping up to 11mm for this specific line is overkill for me from strength and costs)

- Premimum Ropes - S Cup; Stirotex core
(This line has a low enlongation 20% at .6% and good strength. I know someone that purchase this type of line and was pleased but it was only one year ago.)
- Premimum Ropes - DX Performance; SK38 core
(Less money but less performance than the S Cup but still may do the job just fine.)

I threw out Endura due to costs and that some people had problems with the dye. I also threw out Viper and MLX3 due to the looks of the line more than the performance.

Thanks
Patrick

 

[sledracr]

I like VPC (New England Ropes)

Plenty strong enough, soft on the hands, runs through blocks great, and doesn't snarl like some of the stiffer lines do.

I went with 8mm on my Ericson-32, 10mm is probably right for a C&C-110.

 

[pqbon]

For your upwind halyards I would go SK78 or size up - especially on a relatively modern rig like the CC110. For your offwind halyard the SK38 is probably OK.

I love tapered lines but if you looking for longevity and $£$£ efficiency I would keep the cover on especially at a lower latitude like Virginia where UV will be a big factor. (Your comment on the Robline Admiral).

Unless you have the ceramic clutches I would stick with lines that are polyester covers as the high wear covers actually tend to eat clutches especially if the clutches are already worn.

I'm a big fan for Marlow... but Robline and Sampson make good lines

 

[SloopJonB]

My rigger recommended Marlow braid when I recently had new halyards made up. His opinion was it was currently the best.

Works very well but I frankly don't like it much - lousy "hand" - stiff, waxy feeling and slippery.

 

[dacapo]

check out Lanex Lines I got new code 0 halyard and new jib sheets last year and I like them

Yacht Cordage/ Running Rigging by Lanex Yachting/sensible yacht cord

Lanex Yachting Ropes distributed by Lanex Yachting USA in Jamestown RI. provides yacht cordage for Racing and Cruising Sailors.We supply halyards, sheets, all running rigging, docklines & mooring lines too. Exceptionally strong & affordably priced Contact Jonathan 401 474 1458...

lanexyachtingusa.com

there's a supplier in Newport RI

 

[mgs]

Marlows D2 club is no longer sk38, the new stuff is a blend with sk75.

 

[pqbon]

Marlows D2 club is no longer sk38, the new stuff is a blend with sk75.

Yes - but there supplier might still be selling off old inventory.

That is pretty common in the rigging world.

 

[mgs]

Yes - but there supplier might still be selling off old inventory.

That is pretty common in the rigging world.

Sure, but the fact that the line is no longer made could be why they are having trouble finding specs about it

 

[pcoe]

Any issue with using Robline Admiral 5000 / SK78 on my genoa and main following pqbon advise by using SK78 and stepping down to Marlow D2 Club / SK38 core or Globe 5000 mk 3 / sk38 core for my spin and spare? or perhaps just Admiral 5000 for all 3 halyards and the spare can be VPC.
All 10mm/3/8" diameter. I was thinking of pulling the spare halyard out as if anything happens to my genoa, I can use my spin get by but the spare would be nice to utilize when going aloft.

I would have just gone with warpspeed for all of it but I don't think the 9mm will work well in my clutches. Another good choice for Admiral 5000, it is actually .40" dia, slightly larger than 3/8".

 

[longy]

Rope diameters are very casual - just because something is labelled "9mm" does not mean that is the actual diameter.. All depends on the munufactor, how tight the core weave is & how tight the cover weave is

 

[voodoochile]

Any issue with using Robline Admiral 5000 / SK78 on my genoa and main following pqbon advise by using SK78 and stepping down to Marlow D2 Club / SK38 core or Globe 5000 mk 3 / sk38 core for my spin and spare? or perhaps just Admiral 5000 for all 3 halyards and the spare can be VPC.
All 10mm/3/8" diameter. I was thinking of pulling the spare halyard out as if anything happens to my genoa, I can use my spin get by but the spare would be nice to utilize when going aloft.

I would have just gone with warpspeed for all of it but I don't think the 9mm will work well in my clutches. Another good choice for Admiral 5000, it is actually .40" dia, slightly larger than 3/8".

You'll likely be fine with any of the aramid low stretch lines....you're not racing Americas Cup, make the $ choice. We like Warpspeed for the soft hand it has. I also agree, no need to strip the ends, it cuts your line life in half. Even the chead shit is NOT cheap. Weight saving is less than minimal. You're totally on the right track. Do get a reeving splice on the bitter end for pulling through the mast. Luggage Tag splice for the shackle end.

We're in Hampton, where are you?

 

[pcoe]

Deltaville area.
I ended up purchasing Endura Braid tonight. One of the existing halyards is a Endura which is in okay shape so I am going to keep that one, add new Endura halyards. In the end, the line was more expensive than the others but keeping one as is, evens it out and now I have all the same quality lines. I did not replace the spare but I am going to use a sk38 core line prior to the season, no sense spending $3+ lf for a spare.
When I purchased the sailboat, it had a mix bag of halyards; 1 VPC, 1 Marlow double briad with a polyster core, 1 - Endura Briad and 1 - Sta Set (I think or something similar).
Going to use the VPC to replace the reefing line as it is just a older Sta Set line.

Thanks. Good info.
So many different lines out on the market.

 

[Reference]

Robline Copa 5000 9mm (actually about 9.5mm). Best performance for value.

Sk78 core, 50/50 technora polyester cover. Very grippy cover.

 

[slug zitski]

I know there has been a lot of discussions on lines and I have searched the forum but could not find what I was looking for.
I am replacing all the halyards on my (newly purchased) C&C 110. I will be weekend sailing and also racing as I have time throughout the season. Looking for a performance base halyard lines not 'cruising' lines i.e. sta set. I will be purchasing 10mm / 3/8".

I have narrowed down to the following based on material construction and costs: (But also if someone has another line they liked, please comment)

- Marlow D2 Club; SK38 core
(Strength is ok but I could not find the enlongation / stretch data. Probably similar to all SK38 core which is around 1% to 1.2% and that would be probably fine. Priced much lower than some of the other selections. Because it is priced lower, I could increase the diameter to 11mm, which my clutches will handle just fine. This will increase the strength of the line thus lowering the stretch based on my sailboat's loads)

- Roblin Admiral 5000; SK78 core
(I like the fact that it has the SK78 core, good diameter and performance data) This may be a good fit. Plus with the color coded core, I could remove a portion of the cover as an option)

- Sampson Warpspeed II; SK78 core
(I love the line and data, but Iam concern that the 10mm/3/8" is actually 9mm and may not function extremely well within my current clutches. My clutches work well from 10mm to 12mm. Bumping up to 11mm for this specific line is overkill for me from strength and costs)

- Premimum Ropes - S Cup; Stirotex core
(This line has a low enlongation 20% at .6% and good strength. I know someone that purchase this type of line and was pleased but it was only one year ago.)
- Premimum Ropes - DX Performance; SK38 core
(Less money but less performance than the S Cup but still may do the job just fine.)

I threw out Endura due to costs and that some people had problems with the dye. I also threw out Viper and MLX3 due to the looks of the line more than the performance.

Thanks
Patrick

Last year I bought some double braid from these folks

Price was good, rope was good , service was good

You might have a look

Yacht Cordage/ Running Rigging by Lanex Yachting/sensible yacht cord

Lanex Yachting Ropes distributed by Lanex Yachting USA in Jamestown RI. provides yacht cordage for Racing and Cruising Sailors.We supply halyards, sheets, all running rigging, docklines & mooring lines too. Exceptionally strong & affordably priced Contact Jonathan 401 474 1458...

lanexyachtingusa.com

 

['Bacco]

I replaced all of mine with G&B Ropes Mistral 78 and I really dig it. Easy to splice and taper. Polyester/technora cover with a Dyneema SK78 core.

 

[nota]

sk number is what stretch rate ?
strength rating lode or breaking ?
different amount of core fiber ?
heat treatment ? ie heat stretch load 38 to 78 ? or not ?

 

[pqbon]

SK38 - SK75 - SK78 - SK99 are grades of dyneema that have different properties strength and creep (dyneema generally doesn't have stretch (elastic deformation)). The higher the number the more $$$ or £££ and the less creep and the higher breaking load.

You can further heat set dyneema to take out creep. Or just load it up and put the creap into it so that you don't get the creep while using it.

 

[LB 15]

For downwind sailing Alan H recommends bungy cord.

 

[USA 236]

I know there has been a lot of discussions on lines and I have searched the forum but could not find what I was looking for.
I am replacing all the halyards on my (newly purchased) C&C 110. I will be weekend sailing and also racing as I have time throughout the season. Looking for a performance base halyard lines not 'cruising' lines i.e. sta set. I will be purchasing 10mm / 3/8".

I have narrowed down to the following based on material construction and costs: (But also if someone has another line they liked, please comment)

- Marlow D2 Club; SK38 core
(Strength is ok but I could not find the enlongation / stretch data. Probably similar to all SK38 core which is around 1% to 1.2% and that would be probably fine. Priced much lower than some of the other selections. Because it is priced lower, I could increase the diameter to 11mm, which my clutches will handle just fine. This will increase the strength of the line thus lowering the stretch based on my sailboat's loads)

- Roblin Admiral 5000; SK78 core
(I like the fact that it has the SK78 core, good diameter and performance data) This may be a good fit. Plus with the color coded core, I could remove a portion of the cover as an option)

- Sampson Warpspeed II; SK78 core
(I love the line and data, but Iam concern that the 10mm/3/8" is actually 9mm and may not function extremely well within my current clutches. My clutches work well from 10mm to 12mm. Bumping up to 11mm for this specific line is overkill for me from strength and costs)

- Premimum Ropes - S Cup; Stirotex core
(This line has a low enlongation 20% at .6% and good strength. I know someone that purchase this type of line and was pleased but it was only one year ago.)
- Premimum Ropes - DX Performance; SK38 core
(Less money but less performance than the S Cup but still may do the job just fine.)

I threw out Endura due to costs and that some people had problems with the dye. I also threw out Viper and MLX3 due to the looks of the line more than the performance.

Thanks
Patrick

Replace clutch portion of your current clutches so they will hold smaller diameter lines then make your decision. SK78 core is far and away better than the older and lower modulus SK38. There are two many on the water variables to get all wrapped up in specific elongation and such...

 

[pcoe]

My Endura order fell through. The supplier did not have the specific line and size in stock. I went to a few other suppliers - did not have the color or size either and for whatever reason, costs went up quite a bit. For example, WM was $3.19 lf two weeks ago and now $3.70.

I am speaking with the Lanex rigger recommended in this thread. He appears knowledgeable and a decent guy. At a minimum, I am going to order the Ocean series for my mainsheet and furling line replacement and seems costs effective.
Their halyard with sk78 core is up there in costs. I may end up using the Robline Admiral 5000 with sk78 for the halyards. Not much information online for that specific line. Really looking for a good performance line that will last.