Reporter and Cameraman Killed on Live TV This Morning

[MoeAlfa]

What Changed?

In Your Legacy, I interviewed people of age who actually experienced an America when guns were so freely available to children and youth, that you could order them through the mail with no ID required, no waiting period, and literally carry them to school to place in the back of the classroom with no problems at all.

During this time, when guns were the most accessible in our countrys entire history, there were no school shootings, drive by shootings, or murderous teenage rampages.

What changed? Here is what changed: Powerful psych drugs were developed and became the profitable, prescription answer to a wide variety of extremely questionable if not outright fabricated mental disorder diagnosis of youth.

Little Johnny doesnt want to go to school? Take this pill Little Johnny isnt learning? Take this pill

Little Johnny feels anxious? Take this pill Little Johnny is sad? Take this pill Little Johnny is restless?

Take this pill Little Johnny is rebellious? Take this pill

And once Little Johnny started taking the brightly colored pills to handle the normal challenges of youth that every prior generation had overcome naturally through the process of social maturity, Little Johnny began the downward spiral of adverse prescription drug side effects leading to multiple prescription, psycho drug cocktails stronger drugs physical and psychological dependency and the now infamous and reoccurring homicidal and suicidal reactions caused by these very powerful, mind bending drugs.

Hoo, boy. If the drugs are so "powerful," why don't they work? Tom, you can find a much higher grade of anti-psychiatry nonsense if you leave the gun apologists and try Thomas Szasz.

 

[Guest]

Moe, I'm certainly not anti-psychiatry. But I think there is some merit there. I think all the pills we feed our kids have to be having some negative effects. It would be interesting to see a study on how many of the mass shooters were on psych drugs. 3 that stand out were the aurora movie whackjob, Newtown whackjob, and gabby Giffords whackjob. And I'm pretty sure that the Va tech, Navy yard and Columbine shooters all had been on some type of meds as kids if not as young adults.

ps - I refuse to use their names out of principle....

 

[MoeAlfa]

I think you'll find that for any given level of pathology or absence thereof, the people who are getting clinical attention, including meds, are less likely to act out than the untreated ones. If not, why all the talk about the deficient mental health system and violence?

Personally, I prefer my psychotic subjects medicated, having seen many in both states.

What pills are you feeding your kids?

 

[Ease the sheet.]

And we all know those gangbangers like their drugs?

If so many are on these drugs why are there not more shootings? Besides, arent gun deaths reducing?

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

I can't believe all of you vitamin grabbers, wanting to confiscate everyone's Flintstones vitamins!

It is a very scary world indeed, even without contemplating a child growing up without sufficient calcium and iron. Heartless, cruel bastards! You'll have to pry my Flinstones chewable vitamins from my cold, dead hands!

 

[Spatial Ed]

I agree 100% with that father. The question is how do we do that without infringing on the rights of the rest of us, the vast majority, who are not crazy? Its great to continually say DO SOMETHING. But the somethings being proposed are not only not acceptable but would have almost zero effect on stopping what the father above wants.

I think a commission of law enforcement, mental health experts, priests, community organizers, and evolutionary biologists to evaluate the tracers that are common with these killings could be created, which will look at each of these shootings and determine commonality and addressability. The results would be then forwarded to constitutional experts to develop solutions that will be compatible with the well regulated component of the 2nd A. The results passed onto congress to make good legislation.

Explain the goal first.

Keeping guns out of the hands of those we determine shouldn't have them.

 

[Guest]

I think you'll find that for any given level of pathology or absence thereof, the people who are getting clinical attention, including meds, are less likely to act out than the untreated ones. If not, why all the talk about the deficient mental health system and violence?

Personally, I prefer my psychotic subjects medicated, having seen many in both states.

What pills are you feeding your kids?

For the ones who are truly sick, I wholeheartedly agree. I think the point is that we think an Rx pad is the solution to every problem nowadays. Have we become so much clinically sicker sicker than we were 20, 30, 60 years ago? Or has the prevalence of the drugs just made it easier for two working parents to control their kid when they are busy? Personally, I think the vast majority of kids and adults on Riddalin, Prozac, Xanax and all the other stuff need a big dose of HTFU instead. The drugs should be reserved for those few who are actually really medically mentally ill. But BIG Pharma need$ those patient$ to keep the $hareholder$ happy, so they push them on everyone they can. "Is your 4 year old sad that her goldfish died? Give her the blue pill and she will cope with life again"

Again, I wonder if the spate of mentally ill mass shooters were actually mentally ill before they started taking their drugs, or did the drugs used to treat a mild condition make them worse. I don't know the answer to that, but I hope someone is actually looking at that aspect.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Pharma companies are people too, my friend. They $peak loudly, and their Congressmen li$ten to them.

What this place needs is an voice to counter all of you pill grabbers around here. On every thread. Hands off my Flintstones chewable vitamins, you haters of the NAACP!

 

[jocal505]

Do you believe it is possible to kill a man with your bare hands and feet?

One punch manslaughters seem pretty regular here amongst the thugs.
As for feet, how often do you wash your socks?

So killing someone with your bare hands is manslaughter but using a gun is murder?

You didn't read the 'one punch' bit did you?

In most of these cases the intention is not to kill someone, hence the manslaughter charge.

I don't agree with that logic. Wanting to throw a punch, like carrying a weapon, meets my idea of premeditation.

"Premeditation"? Here the problem is laid out.

Most guys have survived more than one hand-to-hand scuffle. FEW of them are fatal, in my experience.

Those of you who claim a high incidence of lethality from fistfighters need to source such danger.

[SIZE=9pt]jocal505, on 20 Aug 2015 - 1:27 PM, said:[/SIZE]

I SHOOT PEOPLE WHO HIT ME? Say what?

You guys sound like a bunch of sissies, with guns.

1.On these forums, you are planning to escalate hothead scuffles into lethal force encounters.

2.Down at the gun range, you are practicing lethal conflict resolution skills.

3.Only your lips are claiming non-violent principles, and last-resort belief systems.

Again---your mental rehearsal of gunplay against hotheads lays out the problem.

The stats are made up of similarly escalated situations, which turned deadly because of handy guns (and the gun culture mental justifications driving their use).

 

[El Mariachi]

Tell your wife we said Hi....

 

[MoeAlfa]

I think you'll find that for any given level of pathology or absence thereof, the people who are getting clinical attention, including meds, are less likely to act out than the untreated ones. If not, why all the talk about the deficient mental health system and violence?

Personally, I prefer my psychotic subjects medicated, having seen many in both states.

What pills are you feeding your kids?

For the ones who are truly sick, I wholeheartedly agree. I think the point is that we think an Rx pad is the solution to every problem nowadays. Have we become so much clinically sicker sicker than we were 20, 30, 60 years ago? Or has the prevalence of the drugs just made it easier for two working parents to control their kid when they are busy? Personally, I think the vast majority of kids and adults on Riddalin, Prozac, Xanax and all the other stuff need a big dose of HTFU instead. The drugs should be reserved for those few who are actually really medically mentally ill. But BIG Pharma need$ those patient$ to keep the $hareholder$ happy, so they push them on everyone they can. "Is your 4 year old sad that her goldfish died? Give her the blue pill and she will cope with life again"

Again, I wonder if the spate of mentally ill mass shooters were actually mentally ill before they started taking their drugs, or did the drugs used to treat a mild condition make them worse. I don't know the answer to that, but I hope someone is actually looking at that aspect.

I have some unfounded and data free theories about aeronautics and air weapons systems, of which I would be happy to unburden myself, if you have the time.

 

[jocal505]

I think you'll find that for any given level of pathology or absence thereof, the people who are getting clinical attention, including meds, are less likely to act out than the untreated ones. If not, why all the talk about the deficient mental health system and violence?

Personally, I prefer my psychotic subjects medicated, having seen many in both states.

What pills are you feeding your kids?

For the ones who are truly sick, I wholeheartedly agree. I think the point is that we think an Rx pad is the solution to every problem nowadays. Have we become so much clinically sicker sicker than we were 20, 30, 60 years ago? Or has the prevalence of the drugs just made it easier for two working parents to control their kid when they are busy? Personally, I think the vast majority of kids and adults on Riddalin, Prozac, Xanax and all the other stuff need a big dose of HTFU instead. The drugs should be reserved for those few who are actually really medically mentally ill. But BIG Pharma need$ those patient$ to keep the $hareholder$ happy, so they push them on everyone they can. "Is your 4 year old sad that her goldfish died? Give her the blue pill and she will cope with life again"

Again, I wonder if the spate of mentally ill mass shooters were actually mentally ill before they started taking their drugs, or did the drugs used to treat a mild condition make them worse. I don't know the answer to that, but I hope someone is actually looking at that aspect.

I have some unfounded and data free theories about aeronautics and air weapons systems, of which I would be happy to unburden myself, if you have the time.

I have found that Simple Jeff's weapon of choice is the cliche.

When confronted with a base of evidence, he goes away, then repeats the same cliche at another time.

 

[El Mariachi]

Do you believe it is possible to kill a man with your bare hands and feet?

One punch manslaughters seem pretty regular here amongst the thugs.

As for feet, how often do you wash your socks?

So killing someone with your bare hands is manslaughter but using a gun is murder?

You didn't read the 'one punch' bit did you?

In most of these cases the intention is not to kill someone, hence the manslaughter charge.

I don't agree with that logic. Wanting to throw a punch, like carrying a weapon, meets my idea of premeditation.

"Premeditation"? Here the problem is laid out.

Most guys have survived more than one hand-to-hand scuffle. FEW of them are fatal, in my experience.

Those of you who claim a high incidence of lethality from fistfighters need to source such danger.

jocal505, on 20 Aug 2015 - 1:27 PM, said:[/size]

I SHOOT PEOPLE WHO HIT ME? Say what?

You guys sound like a bunch of sissies, with guns.

1.On these forums, you are planning to escalate hothead scuffles into lethal force encounters.

http://americangg.net/bikini-brunette-shooting-an-ar-15/
2.Down at the gun range, you are practicing lethal conflict resolution skills.

3.Only your lips are claiming non-violent principles, and last-resort belief systems.

Again---your mental rehearsal of gunplay against hotheads lays out the problem.The stats are made up of similarly escalated situations, which turned deadly because of handy guns (and the gun culture mental justifications driving their use).

Suck it, moron.....

http://americangg.net/bikini-brunette-shooting-an-ar-15/

 

[jocal505]

Tell your wife we said Hi....

Howdy do, Rick.

What happened to the "on ignore" program?

What is your response to the idea of having your FFL background checkers stop by on Political Anarchy?

 

[Guest]

I think you'll find that for any given level of pathology or absence thereof, the people who are getting clinical attention, including meds, are less likely to act out than the untreated ones. If not, why all the talk about the deficient mental health system and violence?

Personally, I prefer my psychotic subjects medicated, having seen many in both states.

What pills are you feeding your kids?

For the ones who are truly sick, I wholeheartedly agree. I think the point is that we think an Rx pad is the solution to every problem nowadays. Have we become so much clinically sicker sicker than we were 20, 30, 60 years ago? Or has the prevalence of the drugs just made it easier for two working parents to control their kid when they are busy? Personally, I think the vast majority of kids and adults on Riddalin, Prozac, Xanax and all the other stuff need a big dose of HTFU instead. The drugs should be reserved for those few who are actually really medically mentally ill. But BIG Pharma need$ those patient$ to keep the $hareholder$ happy, so they push them on everyone they can. "Is your 4 year old sad that her goldfish died? Give her the blue pill and she will cope with life again"

Again, I wonder if the spate of mentally ill mass shooters were actually mentally ill before they started taking their drugs, or did the drugs used to treat a mild condition make them worse. I don't know the answer to that, but I hope someone is actually looking at that aspect.

I have some unfounded and data free theories about aeronautics and air weapons systems, of which I would be happy to unburden myself, if you have the time.

I think I stated clearly that theory is unfounded, but I believe only because its not been closely studied. Please feel free to enlighten me as to the real facts. I would be especially interested in your thoughts on my question about are we mentally sicker as a society than we were several decades ago? We certainly didn't have mass shootings then before all the miracle drugs hit the market.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, Moe. I would really like to know if there is any research on this subject.

 

[El Mariachi]

Send 'em my posts, ass-stick. Then send 'em yours.....and we'll see who gets paid a visit by some guys in a black Yukon....

 

[jocal505]

JoCal - I won't read your drivel anymore, but, seeing that you replied directly under one of my posts, will simply invite you to ignore mine as well. You've convinced me that you're irrational, myopic, and wrong in everything that you assert. Your recalcitrance is simply boring.

I hope you enjoy knowing that your behavior, and that of those who behave like you, is an impediment to the very thing which you claim to seek: Productive discussion.

IMHO, you are simply a bloviating windbag whose every breath is a theft of oxygen, for which any other consumption would be more worthy.

Mm, sounds kinda personal.

I gravitate to your posts because you are delightfully exposed.

Guy, my views and statements are supported by a broad base of scientific evidence. Yours are not.

A word to the wise is sufficient.

 

[jocal505]

Send 'em my posts, ass-stick. Then send 'em yours.....and we'll see who gets paid a visit by some guys in a black Yukon....

At last, I have your permission to do this. I checked into how to do it two years ago.

Here's the procedure: my complaint is to be sent to the BATF office in MY area. They process it.

Their Yukon is most welcome in my driveway.

Just confirm your approval, and we have a deal. A Sailing Anarchy classic.

 

[El Mariachi]

Go ahead, psycho-fuck. But before you do so, know that I if I ever meet up with you I will kick your fucking ass in so far that you'll have to do a headstand over the toilet to take a shit.

Gottit?....

 

[Guest]

I think the black Yukon's will not show up in jocal's driveway. Instead, they will have the small minivans and the nice burley men in white coats talk to him in soothing voices. Until they get him in the straight jacket..... and then Mr Nice Guy ends.