Reporter and Cameraman Killed on Live TV This Morning

[El Mariachi]

I'd pay good money to hear his phone conversation with the BATF..... :lol:

 

[Raz'r]

What Changed?

In “Your Legacy,” I interviewed people of age who actually experienced an America when guns were so freely available to children and youth, that you could order them through the mail with no ID required, no waiting period, and literally carry them to school to place in the back of the classroom with no problems at all.

During this time, when guns were the most accessible in our country’s entire history, there were no school shootings, drive by shootings, or murderous teenage rampages.

What changed? Here is what changed: Powerful psych drugs were developed and became the profitable, prescription answer to a wide variety of extremely questionable if not outright fabricated mental disorder diagnosis of youth.

Little Johnny doesn’t want to go to school? Take this pill… Little Johnny isn’t learning? Take this pill…

Little Johnny feels anxious? Take this pill… Little Johnny is sad? Take this pill… Little Johnny is restless?

Take this pill… Little Johnny is rebellious? Take this pill…

And once Little Johnny started taking the brightly colored pills to handle the normal challenges of youth that every prior generation had overcome naturally through the process of social maturity, Little Johnny began the downward spiral of adverse prescription drug side effects leading to multiple prescription, psycho drug cocktails… stronger drugs… physical and psychological dependency… and the now infamous and reoccurring homicidal and suicidal reactions caused by these very powerful, mind bending drugs.

Fakebertarian

Tinhat conspiracy theorist

and now Scientologist

Is this Tom Cruise?

 

[MoeAlfa]

I think you'll find that for any given level of pathology or absence thereof, the people who are getting clinical attention, including meds, are less likely to act out than the untreated ones. If not, why all the talk about the deficient mental health system and violence?

Personally, I prefer my psychotic subjects medicated, having seen many in both states.

What pills are you feeding your kids?

For the ones who are truly sick, I wholeheartedly agree. I think the point is that we think an Rx pad is the solution to every problem nowadays. Have we become so much clinically sicker sicker than we were 20, 30, 60 years ago? Or has the prevalence of the drugs just made it easier for two working parents to control their kid when they are busy? Personally, I think the vast majority of kids and adults on Riddalin, Prozac, Xanax and all the other stuff need a big dose of HTFU instead. The drugs should be reserved for those few who are actually really medically mentally ill. But BIG Pharma need$ those patient$ to keep the $hareholder$ happy, so they push them on everyone they can. "Is your 4 year old sad that her goldfish died? Give her the blue pill and she will cope with life again"

Again, I wonder if the spate of mentally ill mass shooters were actually mentally ill before they started taking their drugs, or did the drugs used to treat a mild condition make them worse. I don't know the answer to that, but I hope someone is actually looking at that aspect.

I have some unfounded and data free theories about aeronautics and air weapons systems, of which I would be happy to unburden myself, if you have the time.

I think I stated clearly that theory is unfounded, but I believe only because its not been closely studied. Please feel free to enlighten me as to the real facts. I would be especially interested in your thoughts on my question about are we mentally sicker as a society than we were several decades ago? We certainly didn't have mass shootings then before all the miracle drugs hit the market.

I'm not trying to be argumentative, Moe. I would really like to know if there is any research on this subject.

Just giving you, shit. I dont have time now, but there is literature on the benefits and risks of psych drugs and, while it doesn't say anything about individuals in these exceedingly rare cases (right, gun guys?), they do not, as a rule, make people sicker. Unhappy and crazy people do tend to be on them, though.
As to the HTFU thing, we said the same things about concussions and sunburns and every successive generation is soft and has it easy. All I want to say right now is that there's plenty of suffering out there.

 

[El Mariachi]

Tick, tock, tick, tock, tick.....

 

[jocal505]

Go ahead, psycho-fuck. But before you do so, know that I if I ever meet up with you I will kick your fucking ass in so far that you'll have to do a headstand over the toilet to take a shit.

Gottit?....

What's the problem? I'm getting mixed signals here.

It's okay if we air out your PA post content with your FFL background checkers...but a violent threat is attached to the caveat.

You may need to reconsider. Your public posts show a pattern of a high-risk, vigilante-based thought process.

Many guns in your "collection" have had serial numbers removed, you have said.

This is no time to shoot off a big mouth, amigo.

And for the record, on the idea of any physical confrontation with you, I'll take my chances.

 

[El Mariachi]

I have guns with serial numbers ground off? Holy fuking kryst, where do you come up with this bullshit?....

 

[Guest]

Go ahead, psycho-fuck. But before you do so, know that I if I ever meet up with you I will kick your fucking ass in so far that you'll have to do a headstand over the toilet to take a shit.

Gottit?....

What's the problem? I'm getting mixed signals here.

It's okay if we air out your PA post content with your FFL background checkers...but a violent threat is attached to the caveat.

You may need to reconsider. Your public posts show a pattern of a high-risk, vigilante-based thought process.

Many guns in your "collection" have had serial numbers removed, you have said.

This is no time to shoot off a big mouth, amigo.

And for the record, on the idea of any physical confrontation with you, I'll take my chances.

Jocal, first of all - its a douche move to threaten someone with being reported to the Feds just because you don't like the message. If anything Joe, based on your body of work here, and even universally acknowledged by people you respect (AGITC, PB, et al) - YOU are the one who comes off as the looney tunes threat to society. I know you don't see it from your vantage point - but trust me - the BATF will likely be MUCH more interested in your posts than Rick's. Roll the dice if you want. But I am not alone here in how you are viewed. Just sayin'.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Moe, I think medicating kids has become fashionable and goes beyond those who are crazy and well into the "unhappy" territory.

I've also personally seen how scary "safe and effective" drugs like Ambien really are. My non-pro answer: fuckin' SCARY! As in, driving around with no memory of it, bashing into shit scary.

I'm unhappy if I can't sleep. Not THAT unhappy though.

Do so many kids really need Ritalin or is it like the TV, a substitute for parenting and H'ingTFU?

 

[MoeAlfa]

Moe, I think medicating kids has become fashionable and goes beyond those who are crazy and well into the "unhappy" territory.

I've also personally seen how scary "safe and effective" drugs like Ambien really are. My non-pro answer: fuckin' SCARY! As in, driving around with no memory of it, bashing into shit scary.

I'm unhappy if I can't sleep. Not THAT unhappy though.

Do so many kids really need Ritalin or is it like the TV, a substitute for parenting and H'ingTFU?

Need Ritalin to do what, is the question. To have their ass worked off on a farm, play ball and hunt on the weekends and afternoons, and pay enough attention in a rural school to pass? Sure. No Ritalin required. To compete with elite kids and get into a competitive college and go to law school? maybe.
There is some tenuous evidence linking ADHD to parenting and factors, such as TV, but it's not the whole story by a long shot. Genetics seems to be much stronger. Beside, telling parents how to raise their kids is dangerous territory and we treat the results of environmental damage with drugs all the time.

ADHD is clearly the "pathological" tail of the normal spectrum. It can be tolerated in some settings and not in others. The drugs help, at least for a while, and of that there is not the slightest question. On the other hand, if I took a little speed at work, it might help with my ADHD tendencies (worsening as I approach 60), too. Difficult question.

Sleep drugs are scary. On the other hand, the effects of insomnia are terrifying.

 

[Raz'r]

The "upper" drugs have done wonders for my brother and 2 of his kids. Absolute wonders. You've never seen a temper tantrum until you see a truly ADHD kid go off. It is NOT your "mommy I want a cookie" scene at the local grocery store.

But it wasn't those episodes it was taking A kid failing out of school and making her a straight A student.

 

[Mark K]

Recent article of the problem with constant rewards to kids, trophies-for-everybody behavior, results in people less resistant to frustration. Even slight failure leads to slight depression making for less resilient adults in general. I have a hunch that contributes to attention deficits as it channels people towards "safe ground" ruts, whatever they may be.

I'd elaborate but there's this really cool piece about the fundamental motivations driving the Ukraine conflict which I can't tear myself away from for long.

 

[jocal505]

My kid brother's a drug counsellor with 200 junkies in his rear-view mirror. Certain drugs are involved in his successes.

(He gets his failures too, of course.)

He is LIVID about the corruption and damage coming from presently legal drug purchase shenanigans.

Some states have poor restrictions. "You could get on a plane to Florida..."

 

[jocal505]

Go ahead, psycho-fuck. But before you do so, know that I if I ever meet up with you I will kick your fucking ass in so far that you'll have to do a headstand over the toilet to take a shit.

Gottit?....

What's the problem? I'm getting mixed signals here.

It's okay if we air out your PA post content with your FFL background checkers...but a violent threat is attached to the caveat.

You may need to reconsider. Your public posts show a pattern of a high-risk, vigilante-based thought process.

Many guns in your "collection" have had serial numbers removed, you have said.

This is no time to shoot off a big mouth, amigo.

And for the record, on the idea of any physical confrontation with you, I'll take my chances.

Jocal, first of all - its a douche move to threaten someone with being reported to the Feds just because you don't like the message. If anything Joe, based on your body of work here, and even universally acknowledged by people you respect (AGITC, PB, et al) - YOU are the one who comes off as the looney tunes threat to society. I know you don't see it from your vantage point - but trust me - the BATF will likely be MUCH more interested in your posts than Rick's. Roll the dice if you want. But I am not alone here in how you are viewed. Just sayin'.

You and I had this conversation long ago.

Was Boothy living up to his station in life?

This one isn't a threat, it's an open negotiation.

And you and Rick should get to pick the jocal posts you want the ATF to see.

I am not committed to dropping this dime, except by curiosity about ATF policy.

And by one other thing. I like to take bullies apart.

The rhetorical question is this. Is Boothy's profile acceptible to the ATF as an FFL?

We have a buddy who is plainspoken, and has strong feelings. He has shared those feelings here, and I feel they can be fairly represented by his own words. (Note: No phone call is planned. I'll use quotes and links to be fair: the context of each link is open to the consideration of all.)

But if taken at face value, over a period of time and in a variety of contexts, it appears that this guy feels very okay about popping bad guys.

Hell bells, Boothy desired thirty gansta demises the day Judge Scullin usurped Heller II.

I am spinning nothing. I am presenting a position Mr. Booth has chosen to repeat.

If this guy is an FFL, why is he breezing through FFL background checks with high fives, thumping his hairy chest and checkmating away?

• Boothy uses bully moves on the interwebs, he thinks it works for him;
• he is more or less abrasive and abusive by intent;
• he is a self-described entertainer;
• he is repeatedly antagonizing another poster about the gunpoint rape of that poster's wife
• he has now made a threat of physical abuse...as a co-ercion to not send PA links to his 25 approving background checkers
• after he approved such sharing twice.

Let's play "checkmate chicken" between a bigmouth gun bully and the BATFE.

It's a green light, last I checked, with a dash of physical endangerment...

To be continued.

To Whom It May Concern

On an internet forum of sailors, we have an FFL whose name shall remain unknown.

A difference of opinion had developed about a series of statements supporting armed inter-actions with bad guys.

Would such statements as these be considered in a background check of an FFL?

Do these statements fit the model of an FFL?

(enter five recent Boothy quotes, plus Booty's Bloodlust Does D.C.)

.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Well, I wake up to find a gun thread in which I agree with Mark K and random.

Definitely time to go fishing.

 

[Ease the sheet.]

Recent article of the problem with constant rewards to kids, trophies-for-everybody behavior, results in people less resistant to frustration. Even slight failure leads to slight depression making for less resilient adults in general. I have a hunch that contributes to attention deficits as it channels people towards "safe ground" ruts, whatever they may be.

I'd elaborate but there's this really cool piece about the fundamental motivations driving the Ukraine conflict which I can't tear myself away from for long.

Totally agree. A friend put her girl through the Montessori school system. I've seen the girl grow up.

"Montessori teachers do not correct work and hand it back with lots of red marks. A child's work is not graded. The teacher assesses what the child has learned and then guides him into new areas of discovery."

The past student is now in her early 20s, suffers from depression, on medication, unable to handle rejection in anyway, unemployable so far.

Seems like the real world does pass judgment and that system does not prepare them for it.

I am going to disagree. The idea behind it all is that the work, game etc becomes the focus, not the child.

To blame an education system or a reward system is to take the molehill and turn it into the mountain. You cannot highlight a connection between these systems and a mental/behavioral problem.

If you want to blame something, blame the parents who don't pay their kids the requisite amount of attention. That is at least as much of a contributer as any system.

Of course, defending some tools whilst blaming other tools seems like a wonderful example of a rhetorical distraction.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Recent article of the problem with constant rewards to kids, trophies-for-everybody behavior, results in people less resistant to frustration. Even slight failure leads to slight depression making for less resilient adults in general. I have a hunch that contributes to attention deficits as it channels people towards "safe ground" ruts, whatever they may be.

I'd elaborate but there's this really cool piece about the fundamental motivations driving the Ukraine conflict which I can't tear myself away from for long.

Totally agree. A friend put her girl through the Montessori school system. I've seen the girl grow up.

"Montessori teachers do not correct work and hand it back with lots of red marks. A child's work is not graded. The teacher assesses what the child has learned and then guides him into new areas of discovery."

The past student is now in her early 20s, suffers from depression, on medication, unable to handle rejection in anyway, unemployable so far.

Seems like the real world does pass judgment and that system does not prepare them for it.

I am going to disagree. The idea behind it all is that the work, game etc becomes the focus, not the child.

To blame an education system or a reward system is to take the molehill and turn it into the mountain. You cannot highlight a connection between these systems and a mental/behavioral problem.

If you want to blame something, blame the parents who don't pay their kids the requisite amount of attention. That is at least as much of a contributer as any system.

Of course, defending some tools whilst blaming other tools seems like a wonderful example of a rhetorical distraction.

An interesting case study. Stopped before depriving innocent victims (and their families) of their lives, or an overstep upon someone's rights?

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article33204753.html

 

[MoeAlfa]

There's a couple of decades of good clinical and basic neuroscience, epidemiology, and genetics on ADHD, but folks prefer to blame it on people they don't like because it feels good and fits with their beliefs. Why do we need to actually find anything out, when we have such a font of truth deep inside each of us? All that's missing is the "Thus sayeth the Lord" part.

 

[Mark K]

Recent article of the problem with constant rewards to kids, trophies-for-everybody behavior, results in people less resistant to frustration. Even slight failure leads to slight depression making for less resilient adults in general. I have a hunch that contributes to attention deficits as it channels people towards "safe ground" ruts, whatever they may be.

I'd elaborate but there's this really cool piece about the fundamental motivations driving the Ukraine conflict which I can't tear myself away from for long.

Totally agree. A friend put her girl through the Montessori school system. I've seen the girl grow up.

"Montessori teachers do not correct work and hand it back with lots of red marks. A child's work is not graded. The teacher assesses what the child has learned and then guides him into new areas of discovery."

The past student is now in her early 20s, suffers from depression, on medication, unable to handle rejection in anyway, unemployable so far.

Seems like the real world does pass judgment and that system does not prepare them for it.

I am going to disagree. The idea behind it all is that the work, game etc becomes the focus, not the child.

To blame an education system or a reward system is to take the molehill and turn it into the mountain. You cannot highlight a connection between these systems and a mental/behavioral problem.

If you want to blame something, blame the parents who don't pay their kids the requisite amount of attention. That is at least as much of a contributer as any system.

I would also disagree if I had attempted to lay all the blame on this.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

There's a couple of decades of good clinical and basic neuroscience, epidemiology, and genetics on ADHD, but folks prefer to blame it on people they don't like because it feels good and fits with their beliefs. Why do we need to actually find anything out, when we have such a font of truth deep inside each of us? All that's missing is the "Thus sayeth the Lord" part.

I went to three different high schools, all smallish and private, so a small and biased sample for sure, but I recall exactly one kid who I'd guess was ADHD. We called him "hyper" back then.

I don't know how the teachers restrained themselves from strangling this kid. He wasn't a bad kid at all. Bigger than most but I don't recall him ever bullying anyone. He just had the energy of about ten of the rest of us.

Seems to me that one kid in a (nonrandom) sample that size doesn't make much of a market for anti-ADHD drugs.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

An interesting case study. Stopped before depriving innocent victims (and their families) of their lives, or an overstep upon someone's rights?


http://www.fresnobee.com/news/local/crime/article33204753.html

Looks like a perfect example of "see something, say something" finally worked. WFD to whoever turned this shitstain in.

That's kinda what I see from this. Good timing.