Republicans want to end abortion

BeSafe

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Protecting human life is, however, a legitimate government purpose even if you advocate for a small unintrusive government. 
Sure.  That's the same argument used by some of the gun control advocate groups.

The justification for overturning Roe v. Wade is that it is bad law based on made up Constitutional rights. 
The originalist argument hasn't carried the day either.  JoCal has done a yeoman's job of pointing out how a new right was carved out for the 2nd (which it was) but that hasn't exactly won the day either.

On the other side, I rather strongly suspect that the Supreme court WILL allow limits and I rather strongly suggest that States will enact a 20 week limit on elective abortions.  If you can deliver a 20 week old baby and have it live to adulthood, it gets pretty hard to argue that 20 weeks isn't 'a life'.

And with that, I'm done on this topic :)

 
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Sure.  That's the same argument used by some of the gun control advocate groups.

The originalist argument hasn't carried the day either.  JoCal has done a yeoman's job of pointing out how a new right was carved out for the 2nd (which it was) but that hasn't exactly won the day either.

On the other side, I rather strongly suspect that the Supreme court WILL allow limits and I rather strongly suggest that States will enact a 20 week limit on elective abortions.  If you can deliver a 20 week old baby and have it live to adulthood, it gets pretty hard to argue that 20 weeks isn't 'a life'.

And with that, I'm done on this topic :)
The government acting to protect the citizens from guns is certainly a "legitimate government interest."

That the government has a legitimate interest in something is only step one in determining whether or not it should act.   To say that the government has no legitimate interest in protecting human life is ridiculous.

That being said, my personal position is that if you want to kill your own unborn children, knock yourself out.

 

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While the rest of the world is relaxing abortion laws, we are doing the opposite.

What do we know that the rest of the world doesn't?

I wonder, in the future, will youtube remove abortion how to videos after enough women die?
Well, we have a declining life span and declining health metrics generally; I'm sure we are pushing towards the medieval squalor that God intended us to live.

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Well known feminist @Shootist Jeffwill be along shortly to blame this on Hillary. Or is denying a woman the right to choose what the fuck she wants to do with her body an example of Burn This Bitch To The Ground? I can never get that right. Guy will be anything but concerned. Tom will wander off into the gun threads.
And Warbird will scream, swear and cry over all the "babies".

 

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Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
It’s like ignorant oversimplification of complex processes filtered through a maximal ideology of failure produces really fucking stupid positions. 
 

“Abortion” in the us has become a catch all term for many things that don’t have to do with fetuses, because it isn’t a fetus yet. The morning after pill isn’t an abortifacient. Removing ectopic pregnancy is not “abortion”.  An “abortion” after 1 week isn’t aborting a fetus.
There are people sleeping on the streets.

When we take care of the born, I will worry about the unborn.  Holding my breath...

 

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JZK has the arguement correct. The question is when is it human? We have laws against killing humans. We do not have laws about killing cells. 

 Is a a group of reproducing cells a human? If you consider it a human at conception then you will be pro life. If you believe that birth is the moment the fetus is human, then you will be pro choice. There is no other real logical arguments. Both are good, solid positions to argue with. That is why the debate carry's on.  It is the simple form of the argument the rest of the noise are red herrings.

 

Steam Flyer

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JZK has the arguement correct. The question is when is it human? We have laws against killing humans. We do not have laws about killing cells. 

 Is a a group of reproducing cells a human? If you consider it a human at conception then you will be pro life. If you believe that birth is the moment the fetus is human, then you will be pro choice. There is no other real logical arguments. Both are good, solid positions to argue with. That is why the debate carry's on.  It is the simple form of the argument the rest of the noise are red herrings.


That question is already answered. Unfortunately a lot of God-bothering bigots hate the answer and have worked hard to redefine it for decades.

Over the past 25 years in the US, these God-botherers have allied themselves with the backers of the US military-industrial complex (and the rest of the 0.1%ers) to gain political power. When you are blatantly kissing the feet of Mammon, it's difficult to claim true Christian spirit.

Which is why everybody who is not a brain-damaged evangelical screecher thinks they are flaming assholes & hypocrits.

- DSK

 

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Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
If they don’t it’ll just be another nail in the coffin of traditional medicine providers and state regulation.
Handmaid's Tale Dystopia, here we come. 

(BTW, Tale author Margaret Atwood hides out on a nearby island. Got to meet her once) 

 

Irish River

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Where did I say religious again?  The crux of the debate is when is human life? I'm solidly in favour of women's right to terminate a fetus. Because i believe until it is out it is part of the women body. 

 

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What will the Republicans do for a rallying cry after they win?    Guns and abortion are their rallying cries.  Without them all they have is bigotry.    

 

Steam Flyer

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What will the Republicans do for a rallying cry after they win?    Guns and abortion are their rallying cries.  Without them all they have is bigotry.    
Karl Rove said back in 2016 that having the Supreme Court outlaw abortion would be the stupidest thing the Republican Party could possibly do... he was wrong, they've proven there is no bottom to the pit of stupidity, but it's still a valid point.

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So I guess the Republicans want  health care to all mothers to be so babies are are born healthy?

Now once the babies are born, the repulbicans want free health care so the babies stay healthy? ...medicaid

Their also will provide food, education and housing to these babies ? sounds like welfare programs to me........WOW that sounds like socialism,.

This is coming from a country that has the highest infant moralilty rate, kids go hungry, homeless uneducated but don't take away there God give right to carry a gun and rob people .
Don't forget the Bibles.

Critically important.

 

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There is no other real logical arguments. Both are good, solid positions to argue with.
'cause god says' is anti-logic, just so you know.  It's a solid position, but only someone who is anti-knowledge would call it 'good.'
And god doesn't actually say it.

I mean, this is the same god that fed 42 children to bears for making fun of a prophet's bald head (2 Kings 2:23-25), and has the phrase "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" as part of it's text. (Psalm 147, verse 9)

Context is pretty unambiguous: bash your enemies babies and rejoice!
 

7Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell.

“Tear it down,” they cried, “tear it down to its foundations!”

8Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction, happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us.

9Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.


I tend to take the Word of God with a bit of salt when it comes to caring for "babies."
 
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