Responsible Gun Owner of the Day

[badlatitude]

Why do you say "so-called" gun rights?  Are you saying we don't have gun rights? I would say they are just as valid rights as your so-called votings rights and definitely on more stable ground that your so-called abortion rights.  I did a word search in the entire constitution and found nowhere where Abortion is stated as a "right".  I also tried to search for the right to vote and it doesn't even show up until the 15th Am, almost 100 years after the original Constitution was ratified.  Yet the right to Keep and Bear Arms is there from day 1 and explicitly gives us that right, reaffirmed by the SCOTUS.  So there is nothing "so-called" about it.  

Why do you hate The Big C so much, and by extension why do you hate 'Murica so much?

I say so-called because everything in this country seems to lack permanency. There are active movements to change voting laws, abortion laws, immigration laws, Trump tried to take away the citizenship guarantee by the Constitution, but was handily rejected, his followers tried to upset the election by insurrection. The Constitutional right  of the 2nd Amendment is under threat because of the benefactors of that law fight any regulation to make it safer for everyone.

Nothing is forever. 

PS. Citizenship is in the 14th Amendment. 

 

[badlatitude]

BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS NOW!   DO SOMETHING!

Working on it.

 

[Burning Man]

BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS NOW!   DO SOMETHING!

Working on it.

Good.  And please continue to use examples like the above to keep pushing AWB's.  Because shit like this just feeds and strengthens the resistance. 

If you guys would instead come to the table and work on a holistic approach to violence then we might get somewhere.  But you won't.  And neither will the other side, unfortunately.  But at least your side has a better chance of being taken seriously by all the moderates in the middle on this if you toned down the stupidity.  The hardcore believers on both sides of this debate are entrenched into their positions.  But there are more of the moderate gun owners out there like me than there are of either extreme put together.  But your messaging and tactics suck.  And you drive even the liberal gun owners away because of it.  

Change the focus from the tools to the behaviors, and we might get somewhere.

 

[jocal505]

Why do you say "so-called" gun rights?

I'll keep it short. Because castle doctrine. In common law, gun rights for "confrontations" were and are CONTAINED to hearth and home.

And Scalia stayed in that lane with the flagship Heller deal, Fluffy Jeff.

 

[Burning Man]

PS. Citizenship is in the 14th Amendment. 

What does citizenship have to do with the discussion on voting rights, other than it's an implied right.  OK fine, that still came almost 100 years after the 2A and the rest of the BOR was ratified.  

BTW - if there was ever an amendment I would change - it would be the 14th.  I do not believe in birthright citizenship just because your baby fell out of your vag onto US soil.  The only way citizenship should be automatic is if at least one of your parents is a US citizen. 

 

[Ventucky Red]

Yeah, probably something amiss.  But the news chick said the homeowners were alerted by the motion detector and ring camera.  So it's just as likely that they were normal folks who had a few moments to get ready - and the intruders were prepared for the worst, especially given PHX is a well armed city.

But no..... it's as likely that it's just a bunch of thugs robbing another rival dealers meth house.  But presumably the cops would have come and looked around the house as part of the investigation.  I doubt they could have cleaned up a meth lab in the 6-9 min it took the cops to show......

Not the actual lab itself, but maybe a couple million in vacuum sealed bags being used as insulation behind the drywall.

 

[Blue Crab]

I lament the loss of spring guns. Couple of bad guys down with a lot of publicity would really limit burglaries.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

"M-16's and the like."

"The like" probably does include the Ruger 10/22 [I love them!] that can fire a lot of rounds semi-auto, and the very easy mod to full auto makes it a "battlefield .22." Exfoliated Tom wishes this reality wasn't ... but whachogundo?

Hi Tom.

Actually, I came around to the conclusion that battlefield .22's are "part of the ordinary military equipment" and thus deserving of the strongest second amendment protections.

 

[jocal505]

Actually, I came around to the conclusion that battlefield .22's are "part of the ordinary military equipment" and thus deserving of the strongest second amendment protections.

Either you are confused, or you are deceitful. Your own "conclusion" will not fly or float.

Ahem. You keep flashing the cover sheet to Miller, which excludes gun rights for The People. (FACT: the Miller decision only applied itself to some males: those males capable of the common defense.)

CATO has a yuge problem with Miller: individual gun rights are nullified by Miller case law.

 

[Blue Crab]

Actually, I came around to the conclusion that battlefield .22's are "part of the ordinary military equipment" and thus deserving of the strongest second amendment protections.

 

[Not for nothing]

4-year-old shot, killed while riding in car in Tampa


Police say shooting doesn't appear to be random

 

[badlatitude]

Police officer shoots at suspect, accidentally kills bystander in Santa Barbara County: Authorities


A California police officer accidentally killed a bystander sitting in a car while shooting at a suspect over the weekend, authorities said.

The shooting occurred at about 9:40 p.m. Saturday in the small coastal city of Guadalupe, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement Sunday.

Guadalupe police officers recognized a person at an intersection as a suspect with an outstanding felony arrest warrant, the statement said.

Killed when the officer opened fire was Juan Luis Olvera-Preciado, 59 of Guadalupe, who died at the scene, the statement said. The felony suspect was arrested.

Guadalupe Police Chief Michael Cash asked the sheriff’s office to conduct the investigation but detectives realized that the incident fell under a state law that requires the attorney general to investigate incidents of officer-involved shootings that result in the death of an unarmed civilian.

Cash “met personally with the Olvera-Preciado family to offer his condolences and to coordinate support services,” the statement said.

Authorities did not immediately identify the officer who opened fire or the suspect who was arrested, “pending additional interviews and investigative processes,” the statement said.

https://ktla.com/news/california/bystander-accidentally-killed-by-police-officer-shooting-at-suspect-in-santa-barbara-county-authorities/

 

[Burning Man]

Police officer shoots at suspect, accidentally kills bystander in Santa Barbara County: Authorities


A California police officer accidentally killed a bystander sitting in a car while shooting at a suspect over the weekend, authorities said.

The shooting occurred at about 9:40 p.m. Saturday in the small coastal city of Guadalupe, the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office said in a statement Sunday.

Guadalupe police officers recognized a person at an intersection as a suspect with an outstanding felony arrest warrant, the statement said.

Killed when the officer opened fire was Juan Luis Olvera-Preciado, 59 of Guadalupe, who died at the scene, the statement said. The felony suspect was arrested.

Guadalupe Police Chief Michael Cash asked the sheriff’s office to conduct the investigation but detectives realized that the incident fell under a state law that requires the attorney general to investigate incidents of officer-involved shootings that result in the death of an unarmed civilian.

Cash “met personally with the Olvera-Preciado family to offer his condolences and to coordinate support services,” the statement said.

Authorities did not immediately identify the officer who opened fire or the suspect who was arrested, “pending additional interviews and investigative processes,” the statement said.

https://ktla.com/news/california/bystander-accidentally-killed-by-police-officer-shooting-at-suspect-in-santa-barbara-county-authorities/

BAN ASSAULT WEAPONS NOW!  'Specially ones carried by the Po-Leece!  DO SOMETHING!!!  

 

[Burning Man]

4-year-old shot, killed while riding in car in Tampa


Police say shooting doesn't appear to be random

CONFISCATE ALL GUNZ NOW!!!  DO SOMETHING!

 

[Olsonist]

Jeffrey "Jeff" Jeffski, noted gunillectual and part-time Constitutional scholar, will be along shortly to just say that his argument is almost childlike: Me want bang bang. No! Me want bang bang! Guy is concerned yet optimistic. Tom will say that sounds Reasonable to him.

 

[badlatitude]

Jeffrey "Jeff" Jeffski probably needs something to keep him occupied.

 

[badlatitude]

Meanwhile we were able to obtain a shot (not a pun) of Jeffrey "Jeff" Jeffski's new home in Las Vegas.

 

[bletso]

Now there's a winner Loser!  

 

[Mike G]

Jeffrey "Jeff" Jeffski probably needs something to keep him occupied.

If somebody/anybody mentions "clip" you get any square.

 

[Not for nothing]

Man protecting his baby fatally shot in Florida restaurant







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MIAMI BEACH, Fla. (AP) — A gunman fatally shot a tourist eating dinner with his family at a Miami Beach restaurant as the man protected his 1-year-old son, police and a family member said.