See, aren't you now wishing you had kept your SCAR for your Oregon ranch to ward of the imminent wave of infected zombies??Sorry, Jeff, I did not participate in that thread but it sounds like it was great fun. I spent the better part of March moving to my Oregon ranch to stay away from this virus crap. From your tone, you sound like you need some Poise pads to keep your dignity afloat. Should I arrange to have some sent to you?
FIFY.We just handed our children and our grandchildren and their grandchildren a mess that is going to take them a good chunk of their lives to clean up for us. The old, orange man shat on the floor, and the teenager now has to mop it up.
Did you come up with the data that shows a spike in Pneumonia cases from 1000 to 530,000 in one month yet?So you link to data without knowing what the data tells you? Look at the data you posted and get back to me about what is defined as "case." Hospital admission? A physician over the phone telling someone "might be the virus, stay inside and get back to me in two days"?
Even with our dodgy data, we're at 98.5% survival rate. With the Lancet data we're closer to 99.8% survival rate.
If you want a specific answer you need to pose a specific question.
Anosmia can be produced entirely by emotional stress ...One of the more odd differentiators between COVID and a "flu"
And it may require a rehab to get it back.
Most doctors know how to read a simple CDC chart. You and VHM, not so much.Well, there you go. All them doctors 'n shit ain't as smart as Woofsey. He be much MUCH smarter'n dem.
There are no coronavirus germs.Thank you. That one statement alters the problem. From what I had read (not Fox or garbage sites) was that there was promise for a vaccine in 14-18 months.
If Coronavirus germs (they have been around for some time) are that hard to vaccine against, then expending effort on quantifying makes sense.
Yet Sweden is doing fairly well. Spain, Italy, Belgium, France, Netherlands, UK, Switzerland, Luxembourg all have more deaths per million then Sweden, There seems to be a randomness to this that defies public health policy decisions. Why has Michigan been nailed and not Georgia? Trying to attach clear cause and effect seems about as useful as assigning it to God’s wrath against _______.I actually think something like that is going to happen in at least one of the dumb states; some kind of loud re-opening at the beginning of May that becomes an exciting livestreamed experiment for a month or so. Kind of like the way Sweden has proudly undertaken a similar experiment. It's incredibly valuable to have that data just as it is sad for all the Swedes that would not be dead but for the government's failure to listen to its scientists.
With over 2 million pneumonia infections, 1 million pneumonia hospitalizations and 50,000 pneumonia deaths per year, you want to see a comparable number of "cases" in the same amount of time?The link from the CDC says Covid-19 "cases". there's nothing to wager. just show me a CDC pneumonia case link exactly like I showed you that shows 1000 to 530,000 in one month.
Why do you continue to ignore that there is a time lag between infection and death, and that we’re in the exponential growth curve of the infections? If you looked at infections from day 1 to a month ago, and deaths to now, I’d be more inclined to think you had a shred of decency left. Instead you keep lying, hiding behind math. Ohh, math! I’m so impressed!Wrong. The survival rate = 100 - mortality rate.
Before using The Lancet study, the current survival rate is 100 - (21,000/533,000) = 96.1%. But even the common number is 99.33%,
And then using The Lancet study, IIRC with 86% infections unconfirmed, it's closer to 100 - (21,000/(533,000/0.14)) = 99.5%. If you use the April increase in deaths to scale the likely infections, it's closer to 99.8%.
Maybe history will prove you correct, but so far, it's in pneumonia territory.Why do you continue to ignore that there is a time lag between infection and death, and that we’re in the exponential growth curve of the infections? If you looked at infections from day 1 to a month ago, and deaths to now, I’d be more inclined to think you had a shred of decency left. Instead you keep lying, hiding behind math. Ohh, math! I’m so impressed!
Delusions of grandeur, extreme confidence in his own (erroneous) ideals.Most doctors know how to read a simple CDC chart. You and VHM, not so much.
I seem smart to you the way a the guy who throws the stick seems smart to the Labrador Retriever.
Great, show me the 1 month where the cases went from 1000 to 530,000. Any month will do.With over 2 million pneumonia infections, 1 million pneumonia hospitalizations and 50,000 pneumonia deaths per year, you want to see a comparable number of "cases" in the same amount of time?
What's your wager?
Do you have a reference on that bit in bold? In a healthy person (i.e. without a coinfection) coronaviruses and rhinoviruses are upper and mid respiratory infections, the heat and sheer stress in the alveolar region favors the much smaller bacterial infections, around 1 micron. A coronavirus or rhinovirus infected cell is about 10 microns. It's like comparing a ball bearing to a beach ball.Kinds depends. Some pathogens, ebola for example, can spread post-mortem just fine.
CoviD-19 kills the alveolar cells in your lungs, the tiny air sacs that exchange O for CO2 from the blood. You spread it by exhaling the reproduced virus in exhaling or coughing. When it first starts, you barely notice, you have millions of lung cells. Then after a few days, and getting short of breath, you start to feel bad, but are exhaling virus more than ever. By this point, your immune system is starting to ramp up and the race is on, will you run out of lung cells, or will your own immune system drown you? But it's in the virus best interest to keep you exhaling virus as long as possible. Since that process can continue until you don't have any more lung cells, why should the virus care?
Of course the virus doesn't have emotions, it doesn't "care," really. But I mean, why should your death affect the mechanism of how the virus reproduces maximally? Some viruses, it definitely makes a difference, it is against the viruses best interest to kill the host. But I don't think that's true for this one.