Rolex Big Joke Series

[doghouse]

I'm certain it was a well run event for the Farr 40s, J111 and other one design classes. There are some levels of race committee incompetence within the HPR fleet that are not debatable. Firstly, there was a leaward mark on race 2 that was being dragged upwind attached to a mark boat and no visible M flag. The mark was moving and no signal was made at the weather mark of a course change. Secondly, Himachi was indeed OCS. It was all on video. While they weren't called over on the radio (which is only a courtesy), the individual recall flag remained up after half the fleet went back to restart. They got re-scored and a podium finish for being allowed to cheat. Lastly, I've never seen 4 bay tours in a BBS. For future reference, any competitors in this fleet might consider configuring some jib tops and code zeros into their inventory as you will spend more time jib reaching around the bay than you will at any other angle of sail. It's suspicious how such a course is designed to be an advantage to a TP52 and the regatta Co chair is also racing on that same boat..... Hmmmmm .... I'd call that a conflict of interest and piss poor race management to allow that nonsense to happen.

So your response is to make a sock puppet and whine about it on the internet?

 

[mad]

bring back IOR............the designers and builders are ready and willing............bring back the amateur fun.........ban the pros on anything under 100 feet..........prohibit dinghy racing by anyone over 25..........ban teethers and thumb sucking from anyone over 25.........change the tax code so IOR boats are tax deductible.........prohibit cad/cam and bring back real lofting with the pretty whales.......bring back lead with proper big bolts........prohibit gps........bring back proper navigation........bring back lovely 150 overlaps..........so much/ so little time before all is lost.

How many owners with cash are going to switch there new planing boats for an updated IOR leadmine? And how many crew will want to back to sailing at 7.6 knots in any direction?

Making IOR boats tax deductible?? FFS

 

[Raz'r]

reaching is not a 4 letter word. I'm so tired of WLs, I don't do them anymore, unless i'm in a dinghy.

Dinghy racing for cans, big boats for Islands.

 

[USA190520]

Sounds like someone is too old and lacking in skills to compete....

Take it to "I remember when" anarchy.

I tried to, but it was full up with all the older sailors that passed on this BBS full of little boys and little toys all the same, and were talking about bringing back IOR and real racing and real design and creativity.......sort of grown up talk.

Sounds like the rec room at sunny acres retirement village was awash in nostalgia...

 

[NoStrings]

We had a blast. Loved the courses, though race 6 was just a bit sadistic. For those people longing for the days of yore, those courses ALWAYS had a reaching mark, mainly because the crashing was really photogenic. The racing was fun, the breeze was on, and the beer and food were plentiful. What more can you ask for?

 

[Raz'r]

Completely off topic, does YRA maintain the berk circle marks? One of em is just off the beach at Brooks Isle.

 

[DogBalls]

Lots of people know the event is/was/always will be a big deal. Rolex thinks its a big deal. The Pro's making $ sailing the event think its a big deal. The legions of competitors, supporters, RC professionals and volunteers all think its a big deal...

Alan, have you ever even raced in the event?

Alan has once again proved what a dick he is.

 

[Dixie]

It's funny, I was looking forward to the comments from the SAers who were there this weekend. It's really disappointing to see all of this whining, however I totally understand the frustration with having someone podium finish when they sailed unfairly. I have written for several years about the BBS for SA, but this year raced and had a blast. (Too tired from trimming, grinding and hiking to write, y'all can flame me for that if you want). Our fleet was assigned a set of docks far from the club and we had the pleasure of a water taxi to and from our boats every day with very entertaining drivers. These were all YC volunteers, not staff, so we had all sorts of fun with them. [SIZE=13.63636302948px]It's possible the water taxis brought us free beer from the main docks, but let's not tell anyone. [/SIZE]The club recruits assets and volunteers from all around the bay to try to put together a fantastic event for all of the competitors.

Sure the RC wasn't perfect, but what RC is when they are running 3 circles dropping marks in 30 - 100 feet of water. They work really REALLY hard and they also work to listen to the competitors every year and continue to improve. Our RC on the circle lost 3 anchors and still got off a start within 15 minutes of that happening (and thankfully kept us apprised of what was going on). Oh and it was seriously windy and choppy (~17 with the ebb starting) while they were doing that. Not easy work.

We had a good regatta, and I really enjoyed racing outside the gate for a change and having some interesting courses instead of the standard windward leeward. It also made for some great images, both for the sailors on board and those recording them. I have a hard time complaining about having to sail in a regatta.

For those that weren't there, the Club / Mt. Gay decided to move their party to the lawn east of the club this year and added food trucks and a band. In my opinion that turned out pretty well. The weather abided, which was fortuitous.

edited: [SIZE=13.63636302948px]We had a few crashes, we had some fabulous jibes, we had a crazy long one tack beat and the bruises to prove it, we had a tacking duel with the boat ahead of us. There was some light air sailing, a fair amount of 15+ sailing, and some 20+ knot sailing too. The race pushes the skilled sailors hard because of the variety. It was a challenging, rewarding regatta . [/SIZE]

 

[Dixie]

Upwind, downwind, upwind, downwind... it's not rocket science and a bay tour on the last day. There's only supposed to be one bay tour, not 4

According to whom? Some of us are really sick of W/L's and the organizers are listening - same with YRA.

Since you edited your post I'll edit mine - you define a bay tour as any race with reaching?

Exactly.

 

[SF Woody Sailor]

It's funny, I was looking forward to the comments from the SAers who were there this weekend. It's really disappointing to see all of this whining, however I totally understand the frustration with having someone podium finish when they sailed unfairly. I have written for several years about the BBS for SA, but this year raced and had a blast. (Too tired from trimming, grinding and hiking to write, y'all can flame me for that if you want). Our fleet was assigned a set of docks far from the club and we had the pleasure of a water taxi to and from our boats every day with very entertaining drivers. These were all YC volunteers, not staff, so we had all sorts of fun with them. [SIZE=13.63636302948px]It's possible the water taxis brought us free beer from the main docks, but let's not tell anyone. [/SIZE]The club recruits assets and volunteers from all around the bay to try to put together a fantastic event for all of the competitors.

Sure the RC wasn't perfect, but what RC is when they are running 3 circles dropping marks in 30 - 100 feet of water. They work really REALLY hard and they also work to listen to the competitors every year and continue to improve. Our RC on the circle lost 3 anchors and still got off a start within 15 minutes of that happening (and thankfully kept us apprised of what was going on).

We had a good regatta, and I really enjoyed racing outside the gate for a change and having some interesting courses instead of the standard windward leeward. It also made for some great images, both for the sailors on board and those recording them. I have a hard time complaining about having to sail in a regatta.

For those that weren't there, the Club / Mt. Gay decided to move their party to the lawn east of the club this year and added food trucks and a band. In my opinion that turned out pretty well. The weather abided, which was fortuitous.

+1

 

[NoStrings]

Completely off topic, does YRA maintain the berk circle marks? One of em is just off the beach at Brooks Isle.

Yes we do. Which one is it? I know B is off station. We have a 10k budget annually for marks. $7500 of it was expended on a new mark and resetting Klien, B, and E. I wont be able to do another reset until the new year.

 

[footlong]

Lots of people know the event is/was/always will be a big deal. Rolex thinks its a big deal. The Pro's making $ sailing the event think its a big deal. The legions of competitors, supporters, RC professionals and volunteers all think its a big deal...

Alan, have you ever even raced in the event?

Arm chair racers don't think it is a big deal anymore

I want that chair!

 

[Raz'r]

Completely off topic, does YRA maintain the berk circle marks? One of em is just off the beach at Brooks Isle.

Yes we do. Which one is it? I know B is off station. We have a 10k budget annually for marks. $7500 of it was expended on a new mark and resetting Klien, B, and E. I wont be able to do another reset until the new year.

I couldn't get in close enough to see. Looks to be in the shore break when the circle is going off, so pretty shallow. If you're looking from Southhampton to Brooks Island, there's a little rock Island right off the beach, it's to the left(NW) of that in close. Given how it was sitting I had assumed it was anchored but dragged? It looked upright, etc. I assume they're still yellow columns on top of a bigger circular base?

 

[Snaggletooth]

I want that chair!

Mine is littelle differnt.........

 

[BobJ]

Do you think either Alan or Scot could get a ride for RBBS? Maybe that's why they hate it - they tried?

 

[Dixie]

I don't know, BobJ, but I read the FP article when someone texted me about it (after writing the above) and found it disappointing on many levels. There was a lot this weekend worth highlighting. Some of which I said above. There was also the spectacle of the catamarans, that there were so many J/70s out even with a worlds going on. <---and these two fleets of boats are ones that SA has been really keen on these last few years. Whatever, they weren't there and those of us who were know the good stuff that happened. If anyone wants to rebut Alan and Scot, I'm sure they'd take submissions with pleasure. They usually do.

 

[Raz'r]

it looked pretty good from my vantage point way down in the shallows - lots of boats all over the bay.

I had a last minute invite to help get a new to the area multi on the water, but I was already booked. Hopefully we can get that boat out there soon.

 

[Rainier]

Guess they wouldn't let you in this one either eh?

 

[SF Woody Sailor]

It's funny, I was looking forward to the comments from the SAers who were there this weekend. It's really disappointing to see all of this whining, however I totally understand the frustration with having someone podium finish when they sailed unfairly. I have written for several years about the BBS for SA, but this year raced and had a blast. (Too tired from trimming, grinding and hiking to write, y'all can flame me for that if you want). Our fleet was assigned a set of docks far from the club and we had the pleasure of a water taxi to and from our boats every day with very entertaining drivers. These were all YC volunteers, not staff, so we had all sorts of fun with them. [SIZE=13.63636302948px]It's possible the water taxis brought us free beer from the main docks, but let's not tell anyone. [/SIZE]The club recruits assets and volunteers from all around the bay to try to put together a fantastic event for all of the competitors.

Sure the RC wasn't perfect, but what RC is when they are running 3 circles dropping marks in 30 - 100 feet of water. They work really REALLY hard and they also work to listen to the competitors every year and continue to improve. Our RC on the circle lost 3 anchors and still got off a start within 15 minutes of that happening (and thankfully kept us apprised of what was going on). Oh and it was seriously windy and choppy (~17 with the ebb starting) while they were doing that. Not easy work.

We had a good regatta, and I really enjoyed racing outside the gate for a change and having some interesting courses instead of the standard windward leeward. It also made for some great images, both for the sailors on board and those recording them. I have a hard time complaining about having to sail in a regatta.

For those that weren't there, the Club / Mt. Gay decided to move their party to the lawn east of the club this year and added food trucks and a band. In my opinion that turned out pretty well. The weather abided, which was fortuitous.

edited: [SIZE=13.63636302948px]We had a few crashes, we had some fabulous jibes, we had a crazy long one tack beat and the bruises to prove it, we had a tacking duel with the boat ahead of us. There was some light air sailing, a fair amount of 15+ sailing, and some 20+ knot sailing too. The race pushes the skilled sailors hard because of the variety. It was a challenging, rewarding regatta . [/SIZE]

+100

Tacking duels are fun for the tactician. All he has to do is sit there and say "tack."

 

[NoStrings]

Interesting.

http://www.yachtscoring.com/event_results_cumulative.cfm?eID=1097

There was a Rule 2 protest filed against Hamachi, then withdrawn. There's at least on SA'er on board...a and they're silent as church mice, in spite of the allegations being made.

I'm wondering how an OCS gets converted to a Scoring Error and a 2nd. Our accidental OCS (RC called the wrong number) was turned into avg. points.