Roy Moore 3rd rail?

[Nice!]

There's a 12 point gap in the latest polls. Which means that gap is now almost old enough for Moore to date.

 

[Mark K]

Sean is giving The Judge 24 hours to explain hisself or ride out of Dodge City. 

I reckon he doesn’t want to find out what his followers will do if Dick’s pulls it’s advertising. 

 When you lose Hannity you are well and truly fucked. Not even Jesus can save you. Not that he would ever wish to after FOX News has pulled the plug on ya, or anything. 

 It appears the plan is to get him to drop out and have the Gov cancel this election, appoint someone, and have another election at a later date. The critical factor is Moore dropping out so Hannity has been reminded of the length of his leash. 

 

[jerseyguy]

There's a 12 point gap in the latest polls. Which means that gap is now almost old enough for Moore to date.

:lol:

 

[Mark K]

Roll Tide!!!!!

(Default Alabama response)

I used to think that was about the football team, not age of consent.  

 

[plchacker]

So the Alabama GOP has kind of dug in and gone all in on Roy Moore.

The National GOP has hit the eject button including an ever increasing number of Senators who are taking the position that "Roy Moore should leave the race now" instead of "if it turns out he can be proven guilty in a court of law".  An increasing number are saying maybe he shouldn't be seated or perhaps he should even be expelled if he wins.

Tough situation.  Moore voters make up the core constituency of Alabama GOP officeholders, but for the national party I think they see Jones winning as a lesser evil at this point.  If Moore wins they will either have to seat him, or not seat him or vote to expel, all of which have serious consequences with either their core Trumpy voters or with non Trumpy voters costing them a large number of seats nationally.

I suspect the preferred outcomes for McConnell and co. are, in this order:

1.  Luther Strange wins as a write in (unlikely)

2.  Jones wins.  GOP doesn't have to confront the issue of seating Moore and having Moore and Trump be the face of the GOP until 2020 and further the electoral tsunami in 2018 and 2020.  And they can likely win the seat back in 2020 anyway.

3.  Moore wins.

I don't understand how Moore took so much of the vote in the primaries.  He was a non-starter as far as I am concerned.  The real issue is giving up a Senate Seat to the D's.  The timing of all of this "news" is awfully fishy to me and to most of the people I have talked to about this.  I don't know who to believe.  If this is politically motivated, either form the R establishment or the D's does not matter, then I have to wonder how valid the claims are.  The other possibility is that these women are  trust worthy and were  wronged some thirty years ago. 

But why now?  After all, Moore has not had a quiet career.  He has forced  his strong beliefs for at least two decades now.  There is not a voter in the state of Alabama that is not aware of who he is and what his political/legal decisions have been.  So why now?  Why not when he was grandstanding on any number of issues past? 

The timing is purely political.  It is just as likely that this is pushed from Mitch McConnell as it is from the Democrats.  I am sure at this point that Mitch would much rather have a Democrat controlled Senate.  He does not have the backbone needed to lead the Senate. He does not like the President at all.  Moore is a real threat to McConnell on both fronts.

Don't be surprised if Moore does win.  Most of the people I have talked to are convinced that the accusations are purely political and would rather hold the R seat in the Senate than concede that seat to the Democrats.  Jones, would not normally stand a chance.  Most of the people who will  vote in AL will not allow a pro abortion Democrat to gain that seat.  Jones is pro abortion,  pro gun control and loves big spending on social issues.  All of these things are looked poorly upon in the state of Alabama.  If Moore is elected then the State will have to decide how to proceed.  Mrs. Kay, (our governor) would most likely support Moore's election.  The Alabama Senate certainly would support Moore to maintain the US Senate Seat. 

I believe that Moore should be investigated, charged if there are grounds and then tried.  Until then, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing has some teeth. 

Finally, the thing that baffles me the most, is the fact that many lawyers in the state have a huge respect for Moore's legal work.  Apparently, the man not only understands the Constitution's (US and Alabama) and case history, but his findings/rulings from the bench have been well written and easily vetted.  The Constitution of Alabama is something akin to the US tax code or Obamacare.  It is not an easy document to follow.   Moore has the ability to render it down.

 

[Mark K]

I don't understand how Moore took so much of the vote in the primaries.  He was a non-starter as far as I am concerned.  The real issue is giving up a Senate Seat to the D's.  The timing of all of this "news" is awfully fishy to me and to most of the people I have talked to about this.  I don't know who to believe.  If this is politically motivated, either form the R establishment or the D's does not matter, then I have to wonder how valid the claims are.  The other possibility is that these women are  trust worthy and were  wronged some thirty years ago. 

But why now?  After all, Moore has not had a quiet career.  He has forced  his strong beliefs for at least two decades now.  There is not a voter in the state of Alabama that is not aware of who he is and what his political/legal decisions have been.  So why now?  Why not when he was grandstanding on any number of issues past? 

The timing is purely political.  It is just as likely that this is pushed from Mitch McConnell as it is from the Democrats.  I am sure at this point that Mitch would much rather have a Democrat controlled Senate.  He does not have the backbone needed to lead the Senate. He does not like the President at all.  Moore is a real threat to McConnell on both fronts.

Don't be surprised if Moore does win.  Most of the people I have talked to are convinced that the accusations are purely political and would rather hold the R seat in the Senate than concede that seat to the Democrats.  Jones, would not normally stand a chance.  Most of the people who will  vote in AL will not allow a pro abortion Democrat to gain that seat.  Jones is pro abortion,  pro gun control and loves big spending on social issues.  All of these things are looked poorly upon in the state of Alabama.  If Moore is elected then the State will have to decide how to proceed.  Mrs. Kay, (our governor) would most likely support Moore's election.  The Alabama Senate certainly would support Moore to maintain the US Senate Seat. 

I believe that Moore should be investigated, charged if there are grounds and then tried.  Until then, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing has some teeth. 

Finally, the thing that baffles me the most, is the fact that many lawyers in the state have a huge respect for Moore's legal work.  Apparently, the man not only understands the Constitution's (US and Alabama) and case history, but his findings/rulings from the bench have been well written and easily vetted.  The Constitution of Alabama is something akin to the US tax code or Obamacare.  It is not an easy document to follow.   Moore has the ability to render it down.

My guess is he won the nomination because FOX, despite Trump's support for Strange, remained neutral and Bannon when all in for Moore. Had FOX gone all in for Strange, making the nomination their Alamo in the war against Bannon, it would have been far different.  

 I suspect FOX had been deluding themselves by thinking they could straddle the fence or even reel Bannon back into the flock. Hell, even Trump's support of Strange was lukewarm at best. They did not think war inevitable...who knew Moore was what he is?  Sometimes you pick your battles...sometimes they pick you. 

 

[plchacker]

I still say Moore wins.  Do they speak Russian in Alabama?  

I think you are right.  Not because the people of Alabama like Moore that much at this point but because they will refuse to give up the seat to a Democrat. 

 

[plchacker]

My guess is he won the nomination because FOX, despite Trump's support for Strange, remained neutral and Bannon when all in for Moore. Had FOX gone all in for Strange, making the nomination their Alamo in the war against Bannon, it would have been far different.  

 I suspect FOX had been deluding themselves by thinking they could straddle the fence or even reel Bannon back into the flock. Hell, even Trump's support of Strange was lukewarm at best. They did not think war inevitable. Sometimes you pick your battles...sometimes they pick you. 

Honestly Mark, and I'm almost ashamed to admit this about my state, I think it was the pulpit that elected Moore. 

 

[Nice!]

But why now? 

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. There has been a virtual cascade of people (mostly women) speaking out about past sexual assaults by people in power. Fox News hosts, movie producers, A list celebrity actors, comedians, the list goes on. Suddenly there's a little bit of empowerment for victims who have been suppressing the damage done to them.

And screw the suspicious timing theory. Yes, there's an election. So Moore's name is in the news, and he's running for a significant position in public office. Why *wouldn't* that trigger a desire to finally speak out?

 

[plchacker]

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention. There has been a virtual cascade of people (mostly women) speaking out about past sexual assaults by people in power. Fox News hosts, movie producers, A list celebrity actors, comedians, the list goes on. Suddenly there's a little bit of empowerment for victims who have been suppressing the damage done to them.

And screw the suspicious timing theory. Yes, there's an election. So Moore's name is in the news, and he's running for a significant position in public office. Why *wouldn't* that trigger a desire to finally speak out?

I agree that it is the trendy thing to do right now.  I also know the depths that both parties and most politicians will stoop to in a key election.  Trendy is one thing.  Screwing with elections is quite another. 

I don't like Moore any more than I like Trump. Like I said, investigate, charge and proceed with a trial.  

But if this is purely a political move, it is lower than I would expect even from Hillary.  In case you don't know, I have just as much respect for Hillary as I do for the slime on the waterline of a boat.

 

[Sean]

I don't understand how Moore took so much of the vote in the primaries.  He was a non-starter as far as I am concerned.  The real issue is giving up a Senate Seat to the D's.  The timing of all of this "news" is awfully fishy to me and to most of the people I have talked to about this.  I don't know who to believe.  If this is politically motivated, either form the R establishment or the D's does not matter, then I have to wonder how valid the claims are.  The other possibility is that these women are  trust worthy and were  wronged some thirty years ago. 

But why now?  After all, Moore has not had a quiet career.  He has forced  his strong beliefs for at least two decades now.  There is not a voter in the state of Alabama that is not aware of who he is and what his political/legal decisions have been.  So why now?  Why not when he was grandstanding on any number of issues past? 

The timing is purely political.  It is just as likely that this is pushed from Mitch McConnell as it is from the Democrats.  I am sure at this point that Mitch would much rather have a Democrat controlled Senate.  He does not have the backbone needed to lead the Senate. He does not like the President at all.  Moore is a real threat to McConnell on both fronts.

Don't be surprised if Moore does win.  Most of the people I have talked to are convinced that the accusations are purely political and would rather hold the R seat in the Senate than concede that seat to the Democrats.  Jones, would not normally stand a chance.  Most of the people who will  vote in AL will not allow a pro abortion Democrat to gain that seat.  Jones is pro abortion,  pro gun control and loves big spending on social issues.  All of these things are looked poorly upon in the state of Alabama.  If Moore is elected then the State will have to decide how to proceed.  Mrs. Kay, (our governor) would most likely support Moore's election.  The Alabama Senate certainly would support Moore to maintain the US Senate Seat. 

I believe that Moore should be investigated, charged if there are grounds and then tried.  Until then, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing has some teeth. 

Finally, the thing that baffles me the most, is the fact that many lawyers in the state have a huge respect for Moore's legal work.  Apparently, the man not only understands the Constitution's (US and Alabama) and case history, but his findings/rulings from the bench have been well written and easily vetted.  The Constitution of Alabama is something akin to the US tax code or Obamacare.  It is not an easy document to follow.   Moore has the ability to render it down.

These women did not come forward for political reasons. The woman who asserts she was assaulted as a 14 year old stated that she has voted Republican in the last three presidential elections. It's likely all the women are Republicans, it's Alabama. 

The timing is what it is because a Washington Post reporter caught wind of Moore's past escapades and sought out the victims. If he hadn't convinced them, it's likely they would have kept their skeletons in the closet. It's got to be a wrenching decision to go public.

 

[Nice!]

I agree that it is the trendy thing to do right now.  I also know the depths that both parties and most politicians will stoop to in a key election.  Trendy is one thing.  Screwing with elections is quite another. 

I don't like Moore any more than I like Trump. Like I said, investigate, charge and proceed with a trial.  

But if this is purely a political move, it is lower than I would expect even from Hillary.  In case you don't know, I have just as much respect for Hillary as I do for the slime on the waterline of a boat.

The fact that you used the term 'trendy' suggests to me that you don't have much understanding or sympathy for victims of sexual assault. It diminishes the challenges forcibly put on them by their abusers.

And as for the theory that this is some kind of underhanded political conspiracy, give your head a  shake. Why would the Dems do that in Alabama? It might be the state that they'd least likely have a chance of converting. Plus, have you not seen Moore's signature on that girl's high school annual? Or the official record of him being banned at a mall in the 1980s because of his predatory behavior?

 

[Sean]

I agree that it is the trendy thing to do right now.  I also know the depths that both parties and most politicians will stoop to in a key election.  Trendy is one thing.  Screwing with elections is quite another. 

I don't like Moore any more than I like Trump. Like I said, investigate, charge and proceed with a trial.  

But if this is purely a political move, it is lower than I would expect even from Hillary.  In case you don't know, I have just as much respect for Hillary as I do for the slime on the waterline of a boat.

Unbelievable that you have a problem with the public learning truth before voting. This is not anything like a sex parlor in a pizza shop basement. 

Your posts are about as blindly partisan as any I've seen here. And that's saying something.

 

[SloopJonB]

Paula Jones, Juanita Broadrick, Kathleen Wiley?

So that would be a yes?

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Living next to Alabama, I have been there dozens of times.  The state has pedos, drug addicts, murderers, rapists, racists, Baman fans, Auburn fans and I am sure some nice people.

“Aaand Methodists!”

 

[Sean]

So you're saying the Washington Post is trying to sway an election without proof?  If it was the heinous crime you claim it to be, why didn't the women come forward on their own?  It's not passing the smell test.

I don't usually resort to personal slights, but you're special. You're an idiot.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Two new accusers in the last hour. The guy was banned from the local mall for chasing underage pussy. 

Anyone think we’ve heard the last accusation?

 

[Nice!]

So you're saying the Washington Post is trying to sway an election without proof?  If it was the heinous crime you claim it to be, why didn't the women come forward on their own?  It's not passing the smell test.

Read up on being a victim of a sexual assault. The reason they didn't come forward on their own will become patently clear.

 

[Sol Rosenberg]

Someone is coaching Moore well. I expected him to use the “she wuz dressed like a whore and asking for it” defense by now. 

 

[Not My Real Name]

I don't understand how Moore took so much of the vote in the primaries.  He was a non-starter as far as I am concerned.  The real issue is giving up a Senate Seat to the D's.  The timing of all of this "news" is awfully fishy to me and to most of the people I have talked to about this.  I don't know who to believe.  If this is politically motivated, either form the R establishment or the D's does not matter, then I have to wonder how valid the claims are.  The other possibility is that these women are  trust worthy and were  wronged some thirty years ago. 

But why now?  After all, Moore has not had a quiet career.  He has forced  his strong beliefs for at least two decades now.  There is not a voter in the state of Alabama that is not aware of who he is and what his political/legal decisions have been.  So why now?  Why not when he was grandstanding on any number of issues past? 

The timing is purely political.  It is just as likely that this is pushed from Mitch McConnell as it is from the Democrats.  I am sure at this point that Mitch would much rather have a Democrat controlled Senate.  He does not have the backbone needed to lead the Senate. He does not like the President at all.  Moore is a real threat to McConnell on both fronts.

Don't be surprised if Moore does win.  Most of the people I have talked to are convinced that the accusations are purely political and would rather hold the R seat in the Senate than concede that seat to the Democrats.  Jones, would not normally stand a chance.  Most of the people who will  vote in AL will not allow a pro abortion Democrat to gain that seat.  Jones is pro abortion,  pro gun control and loves big spending on social issues.  All of these things are looked poorly upon in the state of Alabama.  If Moore is elected then the State will have to decide how to proceed.  Mrs. Kay, (our governor) would most likely support Moore's election.  The Alabama Senate certainly would support Moore to maintain the US Senate Seat. 

I believe that Moore should be investigated, charged if there are grounds and then tried.  Until then, that whole innocent until proven guilty thing has some teeth. 

Finally, the thing that baffles me the most, is the fact that many lawyers in the state have a huge respect for Moore's legal work.  Apparently, the man not only understands the Constitution's (US and Alabama) and case history, but his findings/rulings from the bench have been well written and easily vetted.  The Constitution of Alabama is something akin to the US tax code or Obamacare.  It is not an easy document to follow.   Moore has the ability to render it down.

These women did not come forward for political reasons. The woman who asserts she was assaulted as a 14 year old stated that she has voted Republican in the last three presidential elections. It's likely all the women are Republicans, it's Alabama. 

The timing is what it is because a Washington Post reporter caught wind of Moore's past escapades and sought out the victims. If he hadn't convinced them, it's likely they would have kept their skeletons in the closet. It's got to be a wrenching decision to go public.

This ^^.

If Alabama wants to put a bible thumping pedophile on the supreme court, even after he's been booted once for flouting the law...that's their own damned business. We don't have to live in or visit Alabama. Roy Moore is the sort of judge I always held up as the worst sort of nightmare for someone like me, and I would not want to be arrested anyplace he has jurisdiction over. But I can just stay away.

When you start talking about the U.S. Senate and someone that will be both voting on national laws AND sits on the razor's edge of a very narrow GOP majority while the GOP is rampaging around the country like they have some sort of mandate to turn the US into a Billionaire's paradise against the will of the people...that will garner national attention.