Sailboat collided with Aircraft Carrier

PaulK

Super Anarchist
Carriers move in an exclusion zone with support ships, oilers, air defense ships and submarines. The de Gaulle travelled in a 10km bubble at sea, any approaching vessel was warned off. Breaching the bubble gets a destroyer and aviation assets headed your way.

Surprising to me even inshore a sailboat could get that close as that is a huge security issue.


This is exactly what I always thought/have been led to believe. AFAIK the CdG is  France's only carrier - so all the more reason for an extremely high degree of protection.

But alas, apparently not so...(when the galley serves escargots they have priority...)
The Charles de Gaulle was on a training mission, sailing unescorted, with no accompanying vessels. 

 

PaulK

Super Anarchist
No, 4 RIBS proceeding with a tug. Was significant error.
Not according to this information.  Second article, in NICE MATIN, quotes skipper of Polish vessel, says the VN Rebel -  once it arrived on the scene - took him in tow to Hyères, where they arrived around 18h30 Friday night.  Youtube video, starting at about 1:55, identifies the RIBS with markings R... which show that they belong TO the carrier; are launched from it. Postings on French website HEO from ex Marine Nationale crew off of the CDG state that she often performs training without escorts. 

https://www.hisse-et-oh.com/sailing/pas-tres-active-la-veille-dans-la-marine-nationale-charles-de-gaulle-vs-voilier#61961a7a040dbf56a52f06e4

https://www.varmatin.com/faits-divers/un-voilier-entre-en-collision-avec-le-porte-avions-charles-de-gaulle-au-large-de-toulon-726715

Nice_Matin17.11.21.pdf




 

matto

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Having been then and done that I can state that the view from the bridge of a carrier is significantly obscured by the flight deck and it can be easy to miss something small (i.e. a yacht) getting in close because you are pre-occupied with navigation, flight operations or whatever other evolution might be going on at the time. That being said CDG's bridge is significantly forward when compared to USN carriers.

BTW tug was ordered to the scene after the accident and the CDG's RHIB's were also only launched in response to collision - as she was operating independently at the time.

 
2 hours ago, PaulK said:

Not according to this information.  Second article, in NICE MATIN, quotes skipper of Polish vessel, says the VN Rebel -  once it arrived on the scene - took him in tow to Hyères, where they arrived around 18h30 Friday night.  Youtube video, starting at about 1:55, identifies the RIBS with markings R... which show that they belong TO the carrier; are launched from it. Postings on French website HEO from ex Marine Nationale crew off of the CDG state that she often performs training without escorts. 

https://www.hisse-et-oh.com/sailing/pas-tres-active-la-veille-dans-la-marine-nationale-charles-de-gaulle-vs-voilier#61961a7a040dbf56a52f06e4

https://www.varmatin.com/faits-divers/un-voilier-entre-en-collision-avec-le-porte-avions-charles-de-gaulle-au-large-de-toulon-726715

Nice_Matin17.11.21.pdf


I was in error, thank you for clarification.

 

George Dewey

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Having been then and done that I can state that the view from the bridge of a carrier is significantly obscured by the flight deck and it can be easy to miss something small (i.e. a yacht) getting in close because you are pre-occupied with navigation, flight operations or whatever other evolution might be going on at the time. That being said CDG's bridge is significantly forward when compared to USN carriers.
Do the French know about radar? 

 

Knut Grotzki

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Yes but we have 4 bars onboard 3 enlisted and 1 officer. Limit is 1 drink every 24 hours. Americans more prudish about alcohol, sex and everything else and rather than small glass of wine with lunch drink Mountain Dew.

When we cross decked with American carriers we always found this quite strange. Adults treated like children.
Yes - and they even are not allowed to carry their individual guns abord and miraculously are fine with this

 

Jackett

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Having been then and done that I can state that the view from the bridge of a carrier is significantly obscured by the flight deck and it can be easy to miss something small (i.e. a yacht) getting in close because you are pre-occupied with navigation, flight operations or whatever other evolution might be going on at the time. 
But surely when operating in coastal waters they have lookouts who's main role is not to be distracted by navigation and flight operations?

 
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