SailGP

[Stingray~]

TE is hearing rumors that GER is one of the franchises knocking on the door of SailGP. I suggested to him that if GER (or basically anyone) did replace JPN then there's a strong chance they'd hire NO to help them get ramped up. TE thinks that, in the case of GER anyway, that sounded unlikely to him, he thinks GER would more likely be fully national from the get-go.

 

[Mozzy Sails]

To be fair, JPN is by far the weakest franchise. At least FRA have an event and can build sponsorship on that.

JPN on the other hand were probably initially included in the hope softbank would be drawn in. But three years later and I can't say I see a 'team identity' around them. All the press is about how great Nathan the wind whisperer is... and now he's off to do the AC. It will be incredibly difficult to pull in money from here. 

GER and ITA could field highly competive crews without the need for AC35 ringers.

Honestly though, I'd love team set up around a brand and just crewed with barbarians... I'd get sponsorship from Siemens and get all their value back from sailing through wind farms demonstrating the power of the wind... and for some irony with the sponsors name I'd only have  female crew.

 

[Stingray~]

To be fair, JPN is by far the weakest franchise. At least FRA have an event and can build sponsorship on that.

JPN on the other hand were probably initially included in the hope softbank would be drawn in. But three years later and I can't say I see a 'team identity' around them. All the press is about how great Nathan the wind whisperer is... and now he's off to do the AC. It will be incredibly difficult to pull in money from here. 

GER and ITA could field highly competive crews without the need for AC35 ringers.

Honestly though, I'd love team set up around a brand and just crewed with barbarians... I'd get sponsorship from Siemens and get all their value back from sailing through wind farms demonstrating the power of the wind... and for some irony with the sponsors name I'd only have  female crew.

Agreed about JPN's chances looking bleak unless a Softbank would step in.

Am fine with GER or (better yet, just because I like the culture and climate) ITA getting in next. When the Taranto venue happened it looked encouraging but then the party of the Mayor changed, it did not get renewed and Bruni was unable to convince an SGP sponsorship out of it. Luna Rossa is helping fund some foiling activities for their 'Next Generation' efforts along with FIV but it looks primarily Olympics-focused. Alinghi has the GC32 or whatever fleet action going on and Arnaud P did sub for PB for a time but they look uninterested in SGP so far too. The AC Chall and AC Defender are the most heavily into it, crew-wise so far.

Does SailGP currently allow multiple teams per country?

 

[Jean-Baptiste]

To be fair, JPN is by far the weakest franchise. At least FRA have an event and can build sponsorship on that.

JPN on the other hand were probably initially included in the hope softbank would be drawn in. But three years later and I can't say I see a 'team identity' around them. All the press is about how great Nathan the wind whisperer is... and now he's off to do the AC. It will be incredibly difficult to pull in money from here. 

GER and ITA could field highly competive crews without the need for AC35 ringers.

Honestly though, I'd love team set up around a brand and just crewed with barbarians... I'd get sponsorship from Siemens and get all their value back from sailing through wind farms demonstrating the power of the wind... and for some irony with the sponsors name I'd only have  female crew.

Siemens or SAP for  Germany, Herr Plattner has a long involvement in sailing and a very well stocked cheque book.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Wasting my time but the Americas Cup is the premier sailing event in the year it's happening, just like the World Cup is the premier football event of the year or happens. In years these events don't happen there are other event that are more important in that year...

And for the record SailGP has all it's boats on the start line, there aren't any boats sitting unused. The fact that there are more teams that want to compete then boats available is a sign of success not failure. I'm sure that's beyond your comprehension though.....

Agreeing with you here!

 

[Qman]

i find it so frustrating supporting the NZ team.  ,7,7,8 is hardly consistent.  a race win is all good but have to be in the top 4 every race.   bit of a dice roll this stuff.  blow the time on distance by one boat length and the race is over.  

 

[Stingray~]

i find it so frustrating supporting the NZ team.  ,7,7,8 is hardly consistent.  a race win is all good but have to be in the top 4 every race.   bit of a dice roll this stuff.  blow the time on distance by one boat length and the race is over.  

NZ won R4, the first race on the second day. Was their first race win in SGP, could be a good sign. They also had several great starts this weekend.

Yes, the competition is very high..

 

[Forourselves]

Wasting my time but the Americas Cup is the premier sailing event in the year it's happening, just like the World Cup is the premier football event of the year or happens. In years these events don't happen there are other event that are more important in that year...

And for the record SailGP has all it's boats on the start line, there aren't any boats sitting unused. The fact that there are more teams that want to compete then boats available is a sign of success not failure. I'm sure that's beyond your comprehension though.....

So, given SailGP is happening in the year the AC is happening, that would mean the AC holds more prestige than SailGP does in that year right? As you said, the AC is the most prestigious event in the world when it happens.

So if we take the Olympics for example, are you saying, even if its not an olympic year, there are more important events than the Olympics for an olympian? 

And for the record, no, SailGP doesn't have all its boats on the start line. If it did, an entire team wouldn't be sitting out 3 entire events. 

 

[bag dad]

Yes in 2024 the America's Cup will be the most prestigious sailing event that year, in my opinion. There are some people who would argue the Olympics but..... Now in 2023 will SailGP be more prestigious then AC40 events? That's a bit more of a complicated argument and probably comes down to personal opinion.

In non Olympic years there are definitely more important events for Olympic aspirants, namely all the qualifying events.

You can't have boats on the line that don't exist. These things don't magically appear. Are people bagging TNZ because not everyone has their AC40 yet? Are they bagging them because teams that can't pay don't have boats they want? No because thats just stupid, like the argument you present.

You'd probably do well to increase your vocabulary by two words, "Fair point"

 

[Forourselves]

Yes in 2024 the America's Cup will be the most prestigious sailing event that year, in my opinion. There are some people who would argue the Olympics but..... Now in 2023 will SailGP be more prestigious then AC40 events? That's a bit more of a complicated argument and probably comes down to personal opinion.

In non Olympic years there are definitely more important events for Olympic aspirants, namely all the qualifying events.

You can't have boats on the line that don't exist. These things don't magically appear. Are people bagging TNZ because not everyone has their AC40 yet? Are they bagging them because teams that can't pay don't have boats they want? No because thats just stupid, like the argument you present.

You'd probably do well to increase your vocabulary by two words, "Fair point"

Olympic qualifying events are olympic events.

Exactly. Thats exactly what I'm saying, they have more teams than boats. They don't have all their boas on the start line because the Canadian boat isn't finished.

The difference between SailGP and the AC40 events, is the AC40 events haven't started yet, so I'm not sure why you'd ask if people are bagging Team NZ for teams not having AC40's yet?? Teams aren't supposed to have AC40's yet, they're supposed to have them in 2023, not 2022.

Your examples are somewhat silly.

 

[Potter]

Yeah, they really need absolute rather than relative penalties. And it's only getting more ridiculous as more boats are added to the fleet. As it stands, if you get penalty on another boat, you could easily drag them from 1st to last as they have to get behind you. 

I thought there was an improvement in the production / direction though. Far more wide shots showing the whole fleet which keep the context of who is where. This is especially important on the first three legs when they would crop in on a single boat, then go to wider shot only to find out 3 boas had sailed by whilst we were on the narrow view! 

I wonder if it's different helicopter pilots in each venue? The bermuda chopper pilots seem to do a good job and maybe have experience from previous years and the AC. The new venues with city fronts (restricted air space) might be slightly more challenging. 

Last time round it was the same pilot in SF and BDA. They even import his heli to BDA for it. I think the direction was the issue in SF, and obviously the delays caused fuel issues for the final. 

Most of the pilots they use are the same guys that Amis Productions have worked with for years. So there is really good comms between Matt Connor (heli camera) and the pilots. 

Matt also did the heli footage for the Volvo... Including the incredibly Lisbon start. Plus he does Giro D'Italia, triathlons, AC etc. Which IS why I think it was more likely to be either direction or signals (quite possible). 

 

[Potter]

Siemens or SAP for  Germany, Herr Plattner has a long involvement in sailing and a very well stocked cheque book.

No way SAP is sponsoring a team in an Oracle event!! 

Also no way RC would let them in... 

 

[Potter]

Agreed about JPN's chances looking bleak unless a Softbank would step in.

Am fine with GER or (better yet, just because I like the culture and climate) ITA getting in next. When the Taranto venue happened it looked encouraging but then the party of the Mayor changed, it did not get renewed and Bruni was unable to convince an SGP sponsorship out of it. Luna Rossa is helping fund some foiling activities for their 'Next Generation' efforts along with FIV but it looks primarily Olympics-focused. Alinghi has the GC32 or whatever fleet action going on and Arnaud P did sub for PB for a time but they look uninterested in SGP so far too. The AC Chall and AC Defender are the most heavily into it, crew-wise so far.

Does SailGP currently allow multiple teams per country?

My money is on ITA next. 

 

[JALhazmat]

NZ won R4, the first race on the second day. Was their first race win in SGP, could be a good sign. They also had several great starts this weekend.

Yes, the competition is very high..

First race win for NZ in sail GP was last year, with someone else;-) driving. 

 

[shebeen]

To be fair, JPN is by far the weakest franchise. At least FRA have an event and can build sponsorship on that.

JPN on the other hand were probably initially included in the hope softbank would be drawn in. But three years later and I can't say I see a 'team identity' around them. All the press is about how great Nathan the wind whisperer is... and now he's off to do the AC. It will be incredibly difficult to pull in money from here. 

agreed, remember team china just disappeared off the radar from S1 when there was no real momentum/succession planning. I don't see a JPN team in S4 if there's no natahan - but then where would he drive, a new team or NZ maybe? There is a bit of a merry go round with crew anyway in the whole series.

The grinders are obviously key but seem practical enough to place with mainly local muscle when required.

The "afterguard"/back three that are critical to the boat are hardly representative of the flags they fly under.

GBR even has two aussies from (Ineos GB here, so going nowhere)

DEN has an aussie trimming

US have got USAflagged jimmy and gbr CJ

JAP are in their 3rd season, but have even used Ceco bruni to have a full foreign afterguard

NZ currently have an aussie on flight control

CAN of course has phil in their opening season, but now pulled in the vacant Draper to replace their kiwi with a CAN passport

SUI the other new team have got some mercenaries across the board too.

so that only leaves SPA/FRA that have now gone all local language crew, and the aussies have always been locals.

so to sum up, just a flag really.

 

[enigmatically2]

Would be good if they moved to each team being all citizens, except that they can use citizens of any country that doesn't have a team. That way everyone has an opportunity, and the best sailors can always have a chance to take part, but it does make it more meaningfully national teams

 

[NZK]

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impressive history

That's fucking impressive - competing in Sail GP and a UCI Continental team including 15th in GC at the Gila just before heading over to Bermuda...

 

[Fiji Bitter]

so to sum up, just a flag really.

A false flag in my book.

What Team Japan needs is this:



Would keep Ben at a safe distance.

 

[shebeen]

Would be good if they moved to each team being all citizens, except that they can use citizens of any country that doesn't have a team. That way everyone has an opportunity, and the best sailors can always have a chance to take part, but it does make it more meaningfully national teams

would be a packed aussie boat!

 

[Jethrow]

would be a packed aussie boat!

It IS a packed Aussie boat!