SailGP

[trt131]

Well done to Phil Robertson, he's always been a bit outside the fold of NZ Yachting but been so successful as a hired gun and match racer.
That last Canadian boundary penalty was an interesting one. If, by going out of bounds, Robertson was able to lay the final mark, that would be a spectacular professional foul.
On another note, PB doesn't think Canada dropped back 20m. NZ had grown level with them but Canada never lost any ground from from penalty. I'm not going to argue for that, but it certainly didn't hurt Canada.

There is no such thing as a Professional Foul in sailing. It just like a Laser sailor doing a port tack approach to the top mark with a big bunch of starboard tackers approaching also. The port tacker throws the boat around the mark, fouling a couple of boats but quickly does turns to exonerate and gains ten of the other starboard boats whilst losing only a couple. I seen that scenario dozens of times (even from NZL sailors)

 

[Stingray~]

Phil R winning that Finale despite the two errors was really cool, loved it.

Christchurch was a great event all around for all kinds of reasons. Will be hard to top.

 

[Stingray~]

Funny

 

[Stingray~]

John MacDonald: SailGP got me - hook, line and sinker

I’m still getting my head around the fact that, after all the logistics of getting the boats and the competitors here from around the world and all the pla

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[Forourselves]

The one thing thats obvious about SailGP is the tech is old. Foiling catamarans and wing sails were spectacular in 2013, but they're old now and the boats don't look special anymore. The one thing about series like the AC, and SailGP is the boats always had a wow factor about them, but they don't anymore, well at least the F50's don't. This is the benefit of having a long layoff between competitions, is that when the boats re-emerge, or when new boats are built, or re launched, they have an appeal, yet the F50's no longer have that appeal, they no longer look like cutting edge machines, at least not next to the AC75's and AC40's. Te Rehutai is a little over 2 years old and she still has a wow factor as she re-emerges from the shed. Even Te Aihe (Alinghi boat 0) still has a wow factor that the F50's no longer have.

 

[ChairborneRanger]

The one thing thats obvious about SailGP is the tech is old. Foiling catamarans and wing sails were spectacular in 2013, but they're old now and the boats don't look special anymore. The one thing about series like the AC, and SailGP is the boats always had a wow factor about them, but they don't anymore, well at least the F50's don't. This is the benefit of having a long layoff between competitions, is that when the boats re-emerge, or when new boats are built, or re launched, they have an appeal, yet the F50's no longer have that appeal, they no longer look like cutting edge machines, at least not next to the AC75's and AC40's. Te Rehutai is a little over 2 years old and she still has a wow factor as she re-emerges from the shed. Even Te Aihe (Alinghi boat 0) still has a wow factor that the F50's no longer have.

for the trainspotters maybe, but not for the fans only just beginning to engage with sailgp.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

The one thing thats obvious about SailGP is the tech is old. Foiling catamarans and wing sails were spectacular in 2013, but they're old now and the boats don't look special anymore. The one thing about series like the AC, and SailGP is the boats always had a wow factor about them, but they don't anymore, well at least the F50's don't. This is the benefit of having a long layoff between competitions, is that when the boats re-emerge, or when new boats are built, or re launched, they have an appeal, yet the F50's no longer have that appeal, they no longer look like cutting edge machines, at least not next to the AC75's and AC40's. Te Rehutai is a little over 2 years old and she still has a wow factor as she re-emerges from the shed. Even Te Aihe (Alinghi boat 0) still has a wow factor that the F50's no longer have.

Keep in mind that the F50 still sailing on an L-Shape Foil. I cannot wait for the T-Foils to come out in Season 4.

About losing the WOW Factor & not being cutting edge anymore. That only applies to the hardcore Sailing Fans like you.
For people who have just engaged into SailGP during Season 3 the F50's have still the "WoW" and cutting edge factor like @ChairborneRanger said.

You need to realize that SailGP's targetted audience are not hardcore sailing fans like you and me. They are targetting the "Non Sailing Audience" with these kind of Boats + the Race Format itself.

 

[Forourselves]

Keep in mind that the F50 still sailing on an L-Shape Foil. I cannot wait for the T-Foils to come out in Season 4.

About losing the WOW Factor & not being cutting edge anymore. That only applies to the hardcore Sailing Fans like you.
For people who have just engaged into SailGP during Season 3 the F50's have still the "WoW" and cutting edge factor like @ChairborneRanger said.

You need to realize that SailGP's targetted audience are not hardcore sailing fans like you and me. They are targetting the "Non Sailing Audience" with these kind of Boats + the Race Format itself.

And I get that, but why dumb the sport down to appeal to a demographic that doesn't want to, doesn't need to, that never has and never will understand the sport itself? Its frustrating to me that the sport has to dumb itself down to appeal to the uneducated. Most of those fans admittedly had fun, but they also probably don't know Port from Starboard let alone terms like wing camber, righting moment and VMG. Ever since people have known, boat speed was always calculated in knots, but because people don't understand speed conversion to knots they've decided to calculate speed in km per hour, for what? for fans who have no interest in the nuances of the sport but can sit and watch and be told "these boats fast, very fast". Smh

 

[kdock44]

F1 or MotoGP is evidence that characters keep the normal folks paying attention more than the engineering. Establishing Ainslie vs Delapierre as a compelling battle is probably better for SailGP than any boat advancements or extra speed. Ratings usually follow inter personal drama more than advancements in bikes or cars.

The sailors doing other notable things (in the AC or away from sailing) is probably the best publicity SailGP can get.

(Personally I'd like to see them starting to windward and longer legs without boundaries more than I'd like to see new foils or twin skin sails.)

 

[dg_sailingfan]

And I get that, but why dumb the sport down to appeal to a demographic that doesn't want to, doesn't need to, that never has and never will understand the sport itself? Its frustrating to me that the sport has to dumb itself down to appeal to the uneducated. Most of those fans admittedly had fun, but they also probably don't know Port from Starboard let alone terms like wing camber, righting moment and VMG. Ever since people have known, boat speed was always calculated in knots, but because people don't understand speed conversion to knots they've decided to calculate speed in km per hour, for what? for fans who have no interest in the nuances of the sport but can sit and watch and be told "these boats fast, very fast". Smh

Well,
The America's Cup is doing the same thing. Why do you think Grant Dalton moved the Cup to Barcelona? Yes, I grant you there were economic considerations but it wasn't the only reason he moved it. It was also about targetting a bigger audience including Non-Sailing Fans. Why do you think we have a Women's and Youth AC? It is all part of reaching a broader targetted audience.

And like @kdock44 is saying the publicity SailGP will garner with the impending Rivalry between France and Great Britain or Delapierre vs Ainslie will be massive in the built up to San Fran. It is basically the appetizer over 5 Races before that 1M $ Race.

People care more about Personalities or Rivalries compared to some innovations when it comes to the Boats.

 

[Forourselves]

Well,
The America's Cup is doing the same thing. Why do you think Grant Dalton moved the Cup to Barcelona? Yes, I grant you there were economic considerations but it wasn't the only reason he moved it. It was also about targetting a bigger audience including Non-Sailing Fans. Why do you think we have a Women's and Youth AC? It is all part of reaching a broader targetted audience.

And like @kdock44 is saying the publicity SailGP will garner with the impending Rivalry between France and Great Britain or Delapierre vs Ainslie will be massive in the built up to San Fran. It is basically the appetizer over 5 Races before that 1M $ Race.

People care more about Personalities or Rivalries compared to some innovations when it comes to the Boats.

If Dalton had the choice between Auckland and Barcelona, he'd choose Auckland, just like he did last time. The only reason, the ONLY reason he went to Barcelona is because Barcelona could offer the opportunity to WIN, something Auckland couldn't. The rest is pure speculation. If audience numbers were a consideration, they were only behind WINNING because WINNING is all that matters.
In terms of rivalries, no one cares about a rivalry between two guys fighting for 3rd and 4th. SailGP rivalries are fake anyway, and everyone knows it. Made for TV "Rivalries" with guys looking uncomfortable pretending to not like the next guy, just like the Slingsby Outteridge rivalry that went no where. They're not real, they're just like WWE rivalries, they're fake storylines.

 

[kdock44]

SailGP rivalries are fake anyway, and everyone knows it.

You're a dumb excessively defensive kiwi but this is correct. The series needs to be less friendly. They try to make up for that by dabbling in some nationalism, but what the series really needs is sailors or teams that really don't like loosing to each other, more protests and more anger. Maybe they need more money on the line.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

You're a dumb excessively defensive kiwi but this is correct. The series needs to be less friendly. They try to make up for that by dabbling in some nationalism, but what the series really needs is sailors or teams that really don't like loosing to each other, more protests and more anger. Maybe they need more money on the line.

I disagree. SailGP doesn't need more anger in these Races. They tried that which resulted having massive crashes with other boats in Season 2.

 

[kiwi_bob]

I disagree. SailGP doesn't need more anger in these Races. They tried that which resulted having massive crashes with other boats in Season 2.

No need for anger but professional rivalries are all good. These guys all wants to be no 1 and are super competitive.

some potentially real rivalry's where parties get extra satisfaction from winning against each other;

Burling V Slingsby
Robertson V Spittle
Ainsley V anyone who gets in his way….

 

[shebeen]

Well done to Phil Robertson, he's always been a bit outside the fold of NZ Yachting but been so successful as a hired gun and match racer.
That last Canadian boundary penalty was an interesting one. If, by going out of bounds, Robertson was able to lay the final mark, that would be a spectacular professional foul.
On another note, PB doesn't think Canada dropped back 20m. NZ had grown level with them but Canada never lost any ground from from penalty. I'm not going to argue for that, but it certainly didn't hurt Canada.

Possible.
Slingsby hit two boundaries in a row upwind without dropping back, might have saved him a manoeuver.

 

[Priscilla]

Contrary to the village idiots jaundiced view this is from someone who actually made the effort to go to the racing that definitely knows the difference between Port and Starboard.

” In reality it was a fantastic weekend, the racing was bloody amazing, and the race start at 3pm it made for a really relaxed fun time. Brunch in ChCh in the morning, wander down to the shuttle at about 1, cruise over to Lyttleton & pick up a glass of bubbles to prep for race 1! Racing over about 4.30, chat to a few yachties over a drink & back on the shuttle. Couldn't be easier.

Watching 9 boats piling into the start was pretty interesting, & then the finish line was about 100 metres from the grandstand, and the boats were headed straight for the crowd as they went thru the finish. It really is next level yachting entertainment. As for whether it's worth a trip to ChCh, I'm seriously thinking about going to San Fran for the final!

We'll definitely be going back if it's there again. “

 

[Jethrow]

I signed up for a free trial with foxtel so I could watch it live, ends up that their version of live is a replay at 9.30 that night? So I decided to check YouTube and they were showing it live, yahoo! This surprised me as I’ve never been able to do that before as their live feeds are usually blocked in Australia.
Really enjoyed the racing, especially the starts. Very noticeable that the crews were more at ease and smoother with their boat control due to the lighter less gusty breeze they had in Sydney. All in all an awesome regatta that the Kiwis should be proud of

@he b gb forget Foxtel, sign up for Kayo Freebies, in Australia they've been showing SailGP live all season!

 

[Forourselves]

Contrary to the village idiots jaundiced view this is from someone who actually made the effort to go to the racing that definitely knows the difference between Port and Starboard.

” In reality it was a fantastic weekend, the racing was bloody amazing, and the race start at 3pm it made for a really relaxed fun time. Brunch in ChCh in the morning, wander down to the shuttle at about 1, cruise over to Lyttleton & pick up a glass of bubbles to prep for race 1! Racing over about 4.30, chat to a few yachties over a drink & back on the shuttle. Couldn't be easier.

Watching 9 boats piling into the start was pretty interesting, & then the finish line was about 100 metres from the grandstand, and the boats were headed straight for the crowd as they went thru the finish. It really is next level yachting entertainment. As for whether it's worth a trip to ChCh, I'm seriously thinking about going to San Fran for the final!

We'll definitely be going back if it's there again.

Someone who actually made the effort to go to the racing that definitely knows the difference between Port and Starboard"

You know he works for SailGP right? I'm sure he absolutely did say it, straight into the microphone even! Definitely something Russell would say, and probably has in the past.

 

[Priscilla]

Had your Sky subscription cancelled Clarkey?
You’re in the wrong thread here twit Lord Daltons Knob Polishing Handy Hints could well be further down the topics page search hint Semen…

 

[enigmatically2]

There is no such thing as a Professional Foul in sailing. It just like a Laser sailor doing a port tack approach to the top mark with a big bunch of starboard tackers approaching also. The port tacker throws the boat around the mark, fouling a couple of boats but quickly does turns to exonerate and gains ten of the other starboard boats whilst losing only a couple. I seen that scenario dozens of times (even from NZL sailors)

You need to read racing rule 44.1b. it doesn't apply in sailgp, but in normal sailing if you gain a significant advantage despite taking the penalty, you are out