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[Stingray~]

Good one

 

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Well done to Phil Robertson, he's always been a bit outside the fold of NZ Yachting but been so successful as a hired gun and match racer.
That last Canadian boundary penalty was an interesting one. If, by going out of bounds, Robertson was able to lay the final mark, that would be a spectacular professional foul.
On another note, PB doesn't think Canada dropped back 20m. NZ had grown level with them but Canada never lost any ground from from penalty. I'm not going to argue for that, but it certainly didn't hurt Canada.

Going out of bounds was not to lay the last turning mark but if anything it was to get around the 'may-not-pass-between' buoys that sat annoyingly in the middle of the course. The commentators repeatedly stated that the penalty for going out of bounds was to 'lose 20m' but never stated relative to what. PB clearly said that from his point of view Phil didn't appear to lose much of anything relative to the Kiwi boat, but is that how the rule is written or judged? Throughout the 'event', apart from the announcement that a penalty had been incurred the rest of the process was completely opaque. In previous series they used graphics to show the required loss if memory serves - must have decided that this was simply too much info, so not surprising that even the 'athletes' are confused....

Ah ha, I see ^ Mozzy agrees with your take

 

[Stingray~]

AM guessing Robertson did intentionally do the 'professional foul' but a big factor on that last downwind leg (or was it the previous one?) was how CAN found stronger breeze on that side, they were fast!

 

[barfy]

I hope there are some changes made to the penalty format in the upcoming AC. The overt out of bounds moves in light airs last cycle were really not in the spirit of a fair competition.

 

[shebeen]

and then there were four

Aus 100%
NZ 97%
Fr 53%
GB 50%

scenario one. NZ brakes a boat and comes last/DNS. GBR/FRA should both join AUS with a mid fleet regatta.

more likely scenario two. Winner of FRA v GB goes to the grand final.
I suspect Aus and NZ will stay out of their way to keep the boat in one piece.

apart from that Den/US/Can can fight over 5th place.
Sui/Spa can battle for the wooden spoon

Changed my mind - assuming 2 more fleet events before the final 3 are decided, the probabilities of making it into that top 3 are as follows

Aus 100%
NZ 74.5%
Fr 66.8%
GB 44.1%
Den 14.1%
US 0.7%
Can 0.01%

0 bar those

 

[Mozzy Sails]

Boat on boat penalties are relative to boat fouled... but sometimes make little sense when boats are moving at different speeds relative to rest of fleet.

Boundary penalties are relatively to their own VMC.

I think the umpires have the ability to lump on extra penalties if a team gains. But, in this case it wasn't immediately obvious they had or would. By which point it was also muddied by other factors (CAN got a gust, NZL fell out of gust).

Not sure how intentional it would have been. They probably were aiming to stay in. But also aiming to push it hard to find a layline. And with such low penalties the latter probably sits subconsciously a little higher.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

John MacDonald: SailGP got me - hook, line and sinker

I’m still getting my head around the fact that, after all the logistics of getting the boats and the competitors here from around the world and all the pla

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[MrBump]

check out the stb rudder flex on FRA at therir R4 last leg incident with NZL
video clip

 

[Kiwing]

check out the stb rudder flex on FRA at therir R4 last leg incident with NZL
video clip

I am intrigued as to how this can happen, assuming that both rudders should be the same?

 

[Forourselves]

Had your Sky subscription cancelled Clarkey?
You’re in the wrong thread here twit Lord Daltons Knob Polishing Handy Hints could well be further down the topics page search hint Semen…

I cancelled it because it's a waste of money. If you wanna waste your money on a rip off subscription to sky tv that's your problem, but that doesn't change the fact that SailGP failed to secure a free to air tv deal. Even though Larry has enough money to wipe his own ass with 100 dollar bills, they still felt the need to rip people off

 

[trt131]

Boat on boat penalties are relative to boat fouled... but sometimes make little sense when boats are moving at different speeds relative to rest of fleet.

Boundary penalties are relatively to their own VMC.

I think the umpires have the ability to lump on extra penalties if a team gains. But, in this case it wasn't immediately obvious they had or would. By which point it was also muddied by other factors (CAN got a gust, NZL fell out of gust).

Not sure how intentional it would have been. They probably were aiming to stay in. But also aiming to push it hard to find a layline. And with such low penalties the latter probably sits subconsciously a little higher.

Mozzy, you answered the boundry penalty loss yourself by mentioning the loss that was taken by gybing was sufficient to wipe the Can penalty. Ditto for the Aus penalties by tacking. This makes the boundary penalty not a penalty as at the boundary a boat is either tacking or gybing (mostly).

 

[dg_sailingfan]

I cancelled it because it's a waste of money. If you wanna waste your money on a rip off subscription to sky tv that's your problem, but that doesn't change the fact that SailGP failed to secure a free to air tv deal. Even though Larry has enough money to wipe his own ass with 100 dollar bills, they still felt the need to rip people off

LOL, in Germany we have SailGP Free To Air on ServusTV. And most of the YouTube Streams are not GEO Blocked and if they are get a VPN. It is much cheaper compared to SKY NZ Subscription.

And mark my words given the Economic Downturn in the World the America's Cup won't be Free-To-Air. The Preliminary Events will likely be Free as well as the Youth & Women's AC but the CSS & the Match itself won't.

Dalton needs money if ETNZ wants to survive through AC38. Matteo de Nora doesn't have unlimited money like Bertelli, Ernesto, Ratcliffe or Hap Fauth + the DeVos Family.

 

[Forourselves]

LOL, in Germany we have SailGP Free To Air on ServusTV. And most of the YouTube Streams are not GEO Blocked and if they are get a VPN. It is much cheaper compared to SKY NZ Subscription.

And mark my words given the Economic Downturn in the World the America's Cup won't be Free-To-Air. The Preliminary Events will likely be Free as well as the Youth & Women's AC but the CSS & the Match itself won't.

Dalton needs money if ETNZ wants to survive through AC38. Matteo de Nora doesn't have unlimited money like Bertelli, Ernesto, Ratcliffe or Hap Fauth + the DeVos Family.

You also said mark your words, Dalton wouldn't be able to find a European country with enough money to host the AC... last i checked, Spain is indeed a European country.

 

[Manfred]

LOL, in Germany we have SailGP Free To Air on ServusTV. And most of the YouTube Streams are not GEO Blocked and if they are get a VPN. It is much cheaper compared to SKY NZ Subscription.

And mark my words given the Economic Downturn in the World the America's Cup won't be Free-To-Air. The Preliminary Events will likely be Free as well as the Youth & Women's AC but the CSS & the Match itself won't.

Dalton needs money if ETNZ wants to survive through AC38. Matteo de Nora doesn't have unlimited money like Bertelli, Ernesto, Ratcliffe or Hap Fauth + the DeVos Family.

Was about to comment the same. YT all free and live....maybe with a VPN. But Servus TV? I could not stand the commentary. Listening to the world feed.
One question here: Did the "on board coms" disappear from the SAIL GP app watching the races later?

 

[Monkey]

I hope there are some changes made to the penalty format in the upcoming AC. The overt out of bounds moves in light airs last cycle were really not in the spirit of a fair competition.

I’ve never liked the dopey “drop back” penalties in SailGP or the Cup. They’re too arbitrary and easy to abuse. My choice would be something like:
-standard penalty would be something like 5 seconds with both hulls non-foiling to clear penalty.
-out of bounds: for every second spent outside the boundary, you have to spend the same with both hulls non-foiling to clear.
-any penalty earned while non-foiling gets a 360.

It’d just make more sense to the fans and also remove the abuse (albeit smart) of the boundaries like we just saw.

 

[Priscilla]

I’ve never liked the dopey “drop back” penalties in SailGP or the Cup. They’re too arbitrary and easy to abuse. My choice would be something like:
-standard penalty would be something like 5 seconds with both hulls non-foiling to clear penalty.
-out of bounds: for every second spent outside the boundary, you have to spend the same with both hulls non-foiling to clear.
-any penalty earned while non-foiling gets a 360.

It’d just make more sense to the fans and also remove the abuse (albeit smart) of the boundaries like we just saw.

Best to keep them foilers moving as penalties requiring both hulls in the water to shake a penalty could very well be the kiss of death in light or shifty conditions.
Be even worserer in the AC75 however they could introduce like a motor racing pit stop and require a mandatory capsize whereby those 1600hp guzzoline scoffing chase boats could leap to their rescue now that could bring some added spectator action…

 

[Kiwing]

"worserer" -> worse !

 

[Sailbydate]

"worserer" -> worse !

It could have been 'more worserer'. Language usage is a bitch.

 

[Sailbydate]

I’ve never liked the dopey “drop back” penalties in SailGP or the Cup. They’re too arbitrary and easy to abuse. My choice would be something like:
-standard penalty would be something like 5 seconds with both hulls non-foiling to clear penalty.
-out of bounds: for every second spent outside the boundary, you have to spend the same with both hulls non-foiling to clear.
-any penalty earned while non-foiling gets a 360.

It’d just make more sense to the fans and also remove the abuse (albeit smart) of the boundaries like we just saw.

I like your thinking, Monkey. But rather than forcing 'non-foiling' to execute the penalty, how about forcing 2- foil immersion for a determined time period? Let the umpires decide when the penalty has been paid.

 

[dg_sailingfan]

Was about to comment the same. YT all free and live....maybe with a VPN. But Servus TV? I could not stand the commentary. Listening to the world feed.
One question here: Did the "on board coms" disappear from the SAIL GP app watching the races later?

The Point I was making is obvious, isn't it? Nowadays every Major Sporting Event is Pay-Per-View or has it attached. To assume the next AC will be Free-To-Air is completely ludicrous.
F1 is Pay-Per-View
Cycling is PPV (running mostly on CGN)
Every Major Soccer League in Europe is PPV

We are at the moment very fortunate that SailGP is very much Free to Air in most Countries. I believe it will become PPV soon!

If there is one Subscription I would recommend it's Discovery+. It is very cheap and you get a lot of content.