SailGP

[nroose]

Yeah, they just need to have some penalty that actually is a penalty. But it's hard to do that without making it way too much of a penalty for some things.

 

[PJB]

It was free to air in the USA both on You Tube and the SailGP app.
Best event yet, really worth watching now in my view. Wish I'd been there, those that were have been very positive.

 

[Stingray~]

It was free to air in the USA both on You Tube and the SailGP app.
Best event yet, really worth watching now in my view. Wish I'd been there, those that were have been very positive.

Yes, that event looked terrific.

Am tempted to fly down to SF for Day 2 on May 7 but even though it will include the Finale, it likely would resemble Sydney more and so will not have the 'intimacy' that ChCh experienced. Will maybe let the weather forecast decide.

 

[smackdaddy]

Yes, that event looked terrific.

Am tempted to fly down to SF for Day 2 on May 7 but even though it will include the Finale, it likely would resemble Sydney more and so will not have the 'intimacy' that ChCh experienced. Will maybe let the weather forecast decide.

Let me know if you do stingers. I’ll be there both days. Would be great to meet you.

 

[ChairborneRanger]

Let me know if you do stingers. I’ll be there both days. Would be great to meet you.

that would look something like this, wouldn't it?

 

[33jesus]

I too will be there both days!

 

[Stingray~]

 

[Stingray~]

 

[Monkey]

I like your thinking, Monkey. But rather than forcing 'non-foiling' to execute the penalty, how about forcing 2- foil immersion for a determined time period? Let the umpires decide when the penalty has been paid.

I just like the idea of a forced touchdown because it’s visible to the fans in a binary way. Or to be really mean, simply require that both foils have to be raised to max height to clear a foul.

 

[Kiwing]

The problem with penalties is they are usually affecting an innocent party, which is penalized relative to the rest of the fleet so boat on boat penalties are hard. Boundary penalties are more simple where slowing the offender down results in a reasonably fair result? Actually I like @Monley's idea of hulls in the water (both foils in the air) this would deter much more, IMHO, so skippers would avoid then like the plague?

 

[ChairborneRanger]

The problem with penalties is they are usually affecting an innocent party, which is penalized relative to the rest of the fleet so boat on boat penalties are hard. Boundary penalties are more simple where slowing the offender down results in a reasonably fair result? Actually I like @Monley's idea of hulls in the water (both foils in the air) this would deter much more, IMHO, so skippers would avoid then like the plague?

And easy to see from the data if both foils had been zeroed or not.

 

[Stingray~]

Forcing them off the foils is not ever going to happen, it's a complete disaster in most foiler racing.

 

[Monkey]

And easy to see from the data if both foils had been zeroed or not.

Exactly. Not only does it become non-sketchy, we as fans, can easily see if they took their penalty.

 

[Monkey]

Forcing them off the foils is not ever going to happen, it's a complete disaster in most foiler racing.

That’s why they call them PENALTIES.

 

[Stingray~]

That’s why they call them PENALTIES.

A penalty to force foilers out of foiling is far too harsh. They look ridiculous when in displacement mode and in many conditions we have seen in SailGP it would take them forever or longer to get back onto the foils. There is a good reason for why they are running modular wings: To enable foiling in a wider range. AC36 Auckland was littered with disasters like that, the too-low wind limit ruined too much of the racing.

 

[Monkey]

A penalty to force foilers out of foiling is far too harsh. They look ridiculous when in displacement mode and in many conditions we have seen in SailGP it would take them forever or longer to get back onto the foils. There is a good reason for why they are running modular wings: To enable foiling in a wider range. AC36 Auckland was littered with disasters like that, the too-low wind limit ruined too much of the racing.

Nonsense. We’ve seen plenty of them splash down and recover.

 

[efrank]

Maybe they could sail perpendicular or lower to the ladder lines for say 5 seconds.

 

[Kiwing]

It would stop professional fouls.
And besides there is no excuse for pushing the limit and getting away with it. If in doubt you will ducl.

 

[Monkey]

Let’s also not forget that these folks aren’t racing 4 knot shit boxes. Between SailGP and the AC, sooner or later a collision is going to kill someone. Penalties actually mattering might help avoid that.

 

[Stingray~]

Nonsense. We’ve seen plenty of them splash down and recover.

Go re-watch much of the racing in Aukland. GD refused to increase the lower wind limits even for the CSS (which, as Defender he should have had zro right to manage) and look at how much of the racing got ruined when one boat was foiling and the other was stuck in the water. By memories from even ETNZ folks, it was disastrous when that happened.

Again, SailGP has taken massive steps to try prevent it. And the AC75 V2 Rule is trying to address the same problem - foilers not foiling is completely ridiculous in a race.