Sailing to the Nord Stream Pipeline on the Q-T.

[MR.CLEAN]

Couldn’t be the Russians. Randumb said it was Joe Biden. He’s always right

You'll note that very, very few politicians will opine on this one, likely because they suspect the US has evidence of exactly what happened and are waiting for a big fish to get out over his skis before they drop it.

 

[floater]

for the aspiring - or disappointed - navy seals out there: the evidence for military involvement in the destruction of the pipes stems not from seismographic evidence. but instead from bomb site evidence.

I've said it before - but to repeat: the pipes weren't just severed. they were destroyed. as in blown all to shit with (perhaps) more than twice what was required to simply "do the job". likely reason: as it turns out, blowing things up deep underwater not easy, things go wrong, so you compensate for errors with redundancy.

all possible from a 50 ft. party yacht. amirite?

 

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

There is nothing mysterious or confusing about this, it is simply physics.


Its a large plastic drum sized object each, made to suitable shape of course. On land it requires few people to handle, but underwater its easy especially with a DPV.

how did they get it by the cockpit table ?

 

[noaano]

how did they get it by the cockpit table ?

Ha.

Bavaria cockpit table folds.

Any more questions?

 

[noaano]

for the aspiring - or disappointed - navy seals out there: the evidence for military involvement in the destruction of the pipes stems not from seismographic evidence. but instead from bomb site evidence.

I've said it before - but to repeat: the pipes weren't just severed. they were destroyed. as in blown all to shit with (perhaps) more than twice what was required to simply "do the job". likely reason: as it turns out, blowing things up deep underwater not easy, things go wrong, so you compensate for errors with redundancy.

Where is this evidence to analyze?

And even if "overblasted", maybe they just made sure by placing multiple explosives, could be multiple trips.

Also there was multiple hundred bar pressure in the pipe before the event. Ever seen a burst pipe fly around? That would cause quite a bit of propulsive force acting on the loose end. Or you think it would just sit there idly after being punctured?

And most importantly, where is the correction on the seismological false assumptions presented, with your background in seismology?

all possible from a 50 ft. party yacht. amirite?

Yes, quite possible.

It is also possible with a submarine - which a nation state would most likely use instead of easy to detect surface vessels.

We don't know, both are possibilities until something rules one or the other out, yes?

 

[floater]

Again, I'm no expert, but I'm quite sure that I could put a 1/2 cubic meter / 500 kilo box (that was slightly negative) whereever you wanted it at 80m and be back on the surface in under 2 hours. Down line to the location, boom to put the package in the water and clip to the downline. slide it down then use a lift bag to get in neutral and move it around. Unless there is a ripping current, it's not hard.

lol. thanks for brightening my morning.

this reads like a script from "the 3 stooges go to sea".

"boom out the bomb boys!" - they cheered heartily.

 

[noaano]

US has evidence of exactly what happened

If something is true, this is.

Of course they know what happened, at least roughly. And they can fill in what is missing by asking allies around.

Swedes would also know. Their national pride was hurt big enough way the last time, so they made sure not a mouse can fart near their waters without them hearing it in stereo.

 

[noaano]

Btw, speaking of the Swedes.

This happened in 2014 when they were hunting an underwater object outside Stockholm, ship called NS Concord was "drifting" above:

This happened few days before NSP explosions, ship called Minerva Julie was "drifting" above:

Interesting coincidence.

 

[floater]

how did they get it by the cockpit table ?

invariably when I try to imagine all the equipment (half a dozen bombs, dozens of bottles, extensive dive equipment, tools, provisions, 6 people!) supposedly crammed aboard the already cramped party boat all I can see is hideously dinged up woodwork everywhere - splinters and dents.

also. don't forget the "portable deco chamber". lol. too much fun.

 

[floater]

 

[MR.CLEAN]

ship called Minerva Julie was "drifting" above:

Greek oil tanker. Concord was a Liberian oil tanker.

Interesting coincidence.

What do you make of it?

 

[noaano]

invariably when I try to imagine all the equipment (half a dozen bombs, dozens of bottles, extensive dive equipment, tools, provisions, 6 people!) supposedly

Where do you need dozens of bottles?

You need small bottle of bottle, even smaller oxygen per CCR and a bailout 8L BO bottle each. This is what two divers need:

Maybe a 2L can of argon for the suit?

Said many times, all this will fit in one bunk of the boat. 11 remain free to use otherwise.

crammed aboard the already cramped party boat

Crammed boat?

Six on a boat that takes twelve?

They'll all have their own head, yes?

also. don't forget the "portable deco chamber". lol. too much fun.

Why would you need such thing?

 

[noaano]

Greek oil tanker. Concord was a Liberian oil tanker.

Both with very close ties to Russia, yes?

What do you make of it?

Interesting coincidence.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

Interesting coincidence.

Right. What do you think it might indicate?

 

[Se7en]

lol. thanks for brightening my morning.

this reads like a script from "the 3 stooges go to sea".

"boom out the bomb boys!" - they cheered heartily.

OK, I get the picture
You know so much more than the rest of us, but it's not worth your time to explain.
Got it.

Doesn't matter that I've brought ~ 100kg objects from 80m. Doesn't matter that I've used the boom on my 37ft yacht to take 100kg plus object from down below to the dock. Doesn't matter that I've dived off my 37 ft yacht with exactly the same gear that I've done 80+ m dives with.

Nah - any suggestion that it's possible is just a 3 stooges skit.

Or possibly you know fuck all, but watched a youtube video once.

 

[spankoka]

The notion that the Russians did it to themselves is making a comeback:

Russian Navy ‘operated submarine near Nord Stream’ days before attack

 

[noaano]

Right. What do you think it might indicate?

Hard to say.

A clever cover or just coincidence.

This kind of drifting is not so unique, to be fair.

Or the drifting was there first, and an interested party used it as a cover.

 

[noaano]

The notion that the Russians did it to themselves is making a comeback

This is an interesting story you linked, but raises even more questions that it answers.

According to the evidence presented, only party not visiting the scene days before the blast was the Mexicans.

 

[noaano]

Nah - any suggestion that it's possible is just a 3 stooges skit.

This.

And any somewhat facts based speculation - as this all kinda is by definition before any concrete evidence surfaces - is simply labeled as ridiculous, without presenting any sort of counterpoint.

 

[floater]

OK, I get the picture
You know so much more than the rest of us, but it's not worth your time to explain.
Got it.

true. I think people come to this site for knowledge about sailing. Still, there are a couple of nuggets in this thread worth grasping onto.

I am very skeptical to the point of disbelief that they could also take down and plant 500 kgs of anything in 80 m. using scuba and exiting to a sailboat with no chamber around.

from somebody who works underwater for a living.

and

OSINT Analysis: Six Russian Ships Active Near Nord Stream Sabotage Site According to Intelligence Source

OSINT data helps corroborate report of Russian ships possibly being in close proximity to the Nord Stream sabotage site.

oalexanderdk.substack.com

go to this guy's substack and you will emerge wiser for it.

otherwise. yes. bombs on a sailboat? pure comedy.