Sailing to the Nord Stream Pipeline on the Q-T.

[floater]

Crammed boat?

Six on a boat that takes twelve?

They'll all have their own head, yes?

only somebody absolutely clueless about both sailing and sailboats would somehow claim that this charter yacht with three separate heads is somehow an advantage.

it's quite clear to me that you are just making it up as you go along. in some sense you represent the worst of the internet simply because the endless deliberate lies. but here. your motivation - is unclear to me - and the fact that sailing has nothing to do with it, seems not great.

you have literally beclowned yourself like eight times in this thread - this is just the latest example. yet still you persist.

why, might one ask. why all the utter crap and deliberate disinformation - and why is a non-sailor on a sailing site doing this?

 

[MR.CLEAN]

why, might one ask. why all the utter crap and deliberate disinformation - and why is a non-sailor on a sailing site doing this?

Note the number of times this poster has cited something as "interesting", a dead giveaway when combined with the posters' login locations that this login appears to be either orc disinfo or someone masquerading as orc disinfo. Perhaps one of sluggo's friends.

 

[noaano]

from somebody who works underwater for a living.

Why do they insist on needing a chamber for 80M dive?

Its simply not needed for the required short bottom time.

Many dives are done to much deeper with no chamber and longer bottom time.

go to this guy's substack and you will emerge wiser for it.

What exactly is there to prove diving hard?

There are some military diving tables, yes. They clearly show such a dive is possible.

Note, they use heliox with no nitrogen and conservative constant setpoint for oxygen partial pressure - for reasons that are too complex to go through here.

Both factors, which increase the dive time, compared to trimix and higher setpoint.

ps,. The seismology you will not help with, I assume?

 

[floater]

Note the number of times this poster has cited something as "interesting", a dead giveaway when combined with the posters' login locations that this login appears to be either orc disinfo or someone masquerading as orc disinfo. Perhaps one of sluggo's friends.

I see. you were just playing the attorney questioning him?

I thought you were falling for it. mea culpa.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

I thought you were falling for it. mea culpa.

No blood no foul


It's amazing how simple and narrow the russian disinfo playbook is, and how so many people fall for it:

(1) Post some bullshit;
(2) Post a photo of something outrageous though not relevant in any way to the bullshit you posted or an article from some sketchy fucker who used to fuck russian whores in moscow or st. petersburg;
(3) Post the words "Interesting" or "Curious" or "Something They're Not Telling You" or "Why Can't We Ask Questions" or similar; and
(4) Repeat for 10 years.

 

[floater]

note to @Se7en .

please don't imagine that mining a pipeline somehow quick or easy.

do some research. you will see what happened on the seafloor - it is blown all to shit. this wasn't some amateur-hour job.

 

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

for the aspiring - or disappointed - navy seals out there: the evidence for military involvement in the destruction of the pipes stems not from seismographic evidence. but instead from bomb site evidence.

yeah, because civilians always travel around with multiple 1000kg exploding devices..

 

[noaano]

please don't imagine that mining a pipeline somehow quick or easy.

Unfortunately it seems to be - and this goes much wider, to all our critical infrastructure.

Maybe it would be time to wake up and start securing it more. I see the first signs into this direction, at least in discussions, which is a good thing.

do some research. you will see what happened on the seafloor - it is blown all to shit.

You keep saying this.

But would be nice to see some actual evidence suggesting cause by the bomb vs cause by the gas release whipping the pipe around.

You can see the pipe damaging by a week long violent pressure release, yes?

this wasn't some amateur-hour job.

Most likely it was not, that I agree and never said anything in the contrary, if you read carefully.

I am just saying the evidence is not conclusive yet, at least the public evidence part.

The goverments surely know by now who did it, if not from the beginning, certainly, as the list is rather short. We without access to this evidence can be only sure at this stage it was not Mexicans.

PS. I think something has to be stated, if it is not obvious, as I guess it is sometimes hard to tell a messenger apart from the message - which should be never confused, but sadly often is nowadays:

You would be hard pressed to find more anti-Russian person than me. We - both as a nation and on a personal level - have some partly unfinished history with them, which will not be easily forgotten.

Plus FYI I have given my official military oath to defend my homeland no matter what, and we have no other potential enemies, so there is that. I plan to stand behind that oath and have practiced this very thing almost annually for decades, its kinda clear in my mind.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

You would be hard pressed to find more anti-Russian person than me. We have some partly unfinished history with them, which will not be easily forgotten.

Interesting

 

[noaano]

Interesting

Isn't it?

 

[noaano]

If this map is accurate, as I believe it is, the precision of the strike was quite interesting:

Polenkabeln is SwePol HVDC -link, and it crosses NSP very close to the blast site. HVDC cables are very delicate, any damage to the insulator would make it inoperable and repairs would be extremely costly.

It was not damaged and is in operation as we speak:

The control room

www.svk.se

 

[Goodvibes]

Every top Nation would have a plan to blow undersea cables and pipes of their enemies.

All the US had to do was enact the plan they had.

Biden authorised it in this speech.

 

[dogwatch]

If this map is accurate, as I believe it is, the precision of the strike was quite interesting:

It would seem to rule out the use of pigs. If RUS were to do so, why so close to the HVDC link? There had to be another reason for the operation to be just there.

 

[dogwatch]

Biden authorised it in this speech.

No, apart from the unlikelihood of pre-announcing a covert operation at a press conference, you need to look at the context of that speech, notably that it was a joint presser with Scholz. I've discussed this before, including a fuller extract of what both leaders said. https://forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/ukraine.235004/page-446#post-8243486

 

[noaano]

It would seem to rule out the use of pigs.

Not necessarily, I think.

The pigs have extremely accurate laser doppler displacement sensors and magnetic / rfid zeroing markers along the way, they report the position very accurately.

They could be programmed to stop at the right meter mark.

BTW, both ends of the pipe have an access lock chamber for pig entry / exit. Pigs cannot travel well against the flow of gas, but at the time there was no flow, yes?

If RUS were to do so, why so close to the HVDC link?

A very good question.

Damaging that HVDC link would have pissed off Poland big time. Why risk that?

There had to be another reason for the operation to be just there.

There must be logic in madness for the place chosen. It was not chosen randomly, that is for sure.

Time will tell. Maybe the position chosen made potential repairs easier in the future - who knows? Maybe the pipes are plugged inside with a special pig and dry for most part. We shall see.

 

[dogwatch]

Time will tell. Maybe the position chosen made potential repairs easier in the future - who knows? Maybe the pipes are plugged inside with a special pig and dry for most part. We shall see.

I'm not certain time will tell but....time will tell on that too. Presumably there must be at least crude estimates of how much gas escaped to the turmoil on the surface, that would tell whether the pipes are actually plugged inside. Haven't seen any though.

 

[noaano]

I'm not certain time will tell but....time will tell on that too.

True that.

Presumably there must be at least crude estimates of how much gas escaped to the turmoil on the surface, that would tell whether the pipes are actually plugged inside. Haven't seen any though.

There is an estimate, but the important parameter we don't know which is was the compressor station near Vyborg pumping gas in or out or valves closed during and after the incident.

Maybe they just wanted to make it seem the pipe emptied itself "naturally".

Usually the response on such incident would be to pump as much gas back from the pipe as possible - to limit the damage and release - but the reasonable train left the station already.

 

[floater]

The notion that the Russians did it to themselves is making a comeback:

Russian Navy ‘operated submarine near Nord Stream’ days before attack

www.msn.com

yes. and the fact that we've got our very own paid troll here would seem to support that notion.

It's amazing how simple and narrow the russian disinfo playbook is, and how so many people fall for it

maybe we should ask him what is "personal" opinion is. rather than the "professional". lol.

it's actually pretty cool. it's like a pet in a petting zoo now. ooh. look at the troll.

 

[noaano]

yes. and the fact that we've got our very own paid troll here would seem to support that notion.

They pay you?

Hopefully the compensation is decent enough.

maybe we should ask him what is "personal" opinion is. rather than the "professional". lol.

If you wish to share...you can?

 

[floater]

got any good sea stories for us? what's on the menu for today?