10thTonner
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Umm, ok. What about a Hanse then?
Sailing to the Nord Stream Pipeline on the Q-T.
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Panoramix
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2.3 on the richter scale may have measured the Depressurization of the pipe...
Sure I don't have a clue how they did it, once you consider that the Brits managed to sink Germans ships with canoe during WW2, I think that the Bavaria story is believable. Aith a 50 feet sailboat, they had a payload of several tons plus they are pros who know what they are doing... I know for sure that during the 90s French commandos were "delivered" to some operation fields via submarine and in an inflatable. These guys are terribly tough, disciplined and trained... or anyway I would not have messed up with one of them during my national service in the navy!
Lifted Tack
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What happened to the idea that pigs loaded with explosives and a timing device were sent down the pipelines? That always seemed the most likely scenario.
Lifted Tack
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Got a cite for that?
floater
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Panoramix
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May be there were no scuba divers involved... Or may be the divers just marked the location! 30 years ago, I was on a mine sweeper, we were using tethered diving robots that were already old technology to deal with mines. In 2022 may be there is a miniature version of it, also 500kg of explosive in the water is not that heavy, they could have for instance controlled the descent along a rope...
floater
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fyi. the 'leaked intel' said nothing about sophisticated equipment. rather, just the opposite.
making it up as you go along is also kind of a thing in 'big' science. if your theory doesn't prove correct the first time. just change it to fit the new data.
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making it up as you go along is also kind of a thing in 'big' science. if your theory doesn't prove correct the first time. just change it to fit the new data.
..repeat
floater
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and don't forget that this was all supposedly a clandestine operation in a foreign country.
I'm with 10thTonner - somebody is definitely trolling the Germans here.. lol.
I'm with 10thTonner - somebody is definitely trolling the Germans here.. lol.
Just need a commercial fishing vessel. 1000lbs is easy, and also going to have a very good quality sonar.
slug zitski
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I have only brought things up from depth, so we were diving fairly light to attach lifting gear.
I could not imagine trying to set something bulky down in a precise location 80m down.
Even with the military deco tables that allow for 'acceptable losses' it would still be a very short bottom time and a very long, around 2 hours, deco schedule.
You can skip in water deco, if you have a deco chamber at the surface.
There is no part of this scuba divers on a sailboat story that I can get my head around.
I could not imagine trying to set something bulky down in a precise location 80m down.
Even with the military deco tables that allow for 'acceptable losses' it would still be a very short bottom time and a very long, around 2 hours, deco schedule.
You can skip in water deco, if you have a deco chamber at the surface.
There is no part of this scuba divers on a sailboat story that I can get my head around.
slug zitski
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Evidently the specialist divers were breathing helium or some special mix for deep work
Cables work well. There are also things called ROV's that would work for precision placement. Divers not required.
Still requires significant decompression time that is not practicle without a deco chamber handy and at depth for entry to avoid getting bent when surfacing.
Howard Juno
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"Nobody could have known a sailboat might be used for terrorism…when does TSA set up a checkpoint at the marina gate?"
.....except..... the Froggies did it to the Rainbow Warrior....
.....except..... the Froggies did it to the Rainbow Warrior....
EYESAILOR
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He was on the crew of the Russian diving vessel?
EYESAILOR
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The very fact that there are a thousand theories and that nobody has any answers is a measure of how successful this mission was.
10 years from now a little girl will be stroking her fathers uniform and will ask
"What's this medal for Daddy?" and he will answer
"Honey, that's the medal for Don't ask and I wont tell"
The question is, will they be speaking English with an American accent?
Ukrainian?
Russian?
Norwegian?
Danish?
Latvian?
Whoever they are, if they wanted to use a Bavaria 40 in the mission, I respect their choices.
10 years from now a little girl will be stroking her fathers uniform and will ask
"What's this medal for Daddy?" and he will answer
"Honey, that's the medal for Don't ask and I wont tell"
The question is, will they be speaking English with an American accent?
Ukrainian?
Russian?
Norwegian?
Danish?
Latvian?
Whoever they are, if they wanted to use a Bavaria 40 in the mission, I respect their choices.
spankoka
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It's possible that the Bavaria 40 was one part of the operation, and there was another vessel involved.
antiussentiment
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This seems more feasible maybe (Hersh is usually pretty credible)?
And there is a solid financial motive too..
www.newsintervention.com
And there is a solid financial motive too..
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
www.newsintervention.com
