AdultInTheRoom
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Can someone please cite what rule Mr Smith has allegedly broken?
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OK, as a sailor that has had more hip/back surgeries than anyone should and someone that goes through daily pain and suffering due to my injuries I unequivocally reject what you are saying. I have more pain ion a daily basis than anyone should and yet I manage to function as a normal human being, sailing, skiing making a living and doing all the things a normal 46 yo should and there is no way in hell I would even ever think of doing anything on the para side let alone drive around with a HC tag. Now, apparently, Dee is doing all those things and more, at a higher level, On the able bodied platforms (let alone the para stuff), than most normal bodied people do. (AC, Big boat off shore sailing etc etc etc), He even manages to do it at a level that he manages to get paid to do so... That is the difference, normal people have morals and usually do the right thing when faced with a situation like this. If the rules are screwy they need to be fixed and he should be shouting from the rooftops to change things, but he has decided to race... Well there you go, that should tell you everything you need to know about the man..... I sail with a guy with 1 leg(motorcycle accident a couple yrs ago), he would love to get into the para oly stuff, in fact he is taking steps to do that, but to think that his spot could be taken by a duchebag bending the rules is just infuriating..... I am with dawg on this. The duchebag should be strung up for all to see and banned from sailing under rule 2, fair sailing or 69 the bastard.... ....
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I don't think anyone's claiming he's breaking any rule. He's just being a dick.
ReefBros
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One of the most disgusting developments in the fine art of sailing.
An honest man would 'Retire Before Competing'
An honest man would 'Retire Before Competing'
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I woud paunch Ishmalle, riten the kissere, yeah, thast rite!
Ive gotte cooffee stanes on my crpetteng, he mackes me laffe to muche.
Ive gotte cooffee stanes on my crpetteng, he mackes me laffe to muche.
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Because, in the video above he clearly states, and I quote........
"But I'm NOT HANDICAPPED."
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goode thouht! 
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I know many below the knee amputees.
My question has always been, When is disabled, disabled enough for Disabled Sailing.
The Euro dominated sport is afraid to say, "Sorry, you just are not disabled enough."
Wanderer, the Problem is they want more people in disabled sailing and going out and teaching real disabled people to sail and then race is a long process.
How many disabled people can afford sailing when they have other bills to worry about.
It is much easier to lower the standards and let the barely disabled in. The IPC has seen this and they NO no no and after Rio no more.
Some said to leave helena alone? She only has a disability when trying to type 80 words a minute. She can sail a 470 with 2 good legs and 2 good arms. I don't know any disabled people that can do that besides the top 3 and Dee. She was the beginning of the end.
If you look at the top 3 at the princess sophia regatta now they are all paid professional barely disabled sailors who have all sailed other real dinghies and one even single hands a Class 40.
But it does not matter anymore after Rio.
Dawg I don't disagree with you, although I don't know enough to comment on either of the people discussed here.
I spent a number of years working for one of the Paralympic National Associations (As a technology consultant) and this has always been a recurring problem for the NAs and the sport.
The public perception of what constitutes Impairment and what people see in the Event coverage is often out of alignment. The Paralympics endeavour to provide fair competition for a wide range of disabilities, from mental impairment to people born with no limbs.
If a competitor is missing a limb it is easy say, yes that person is disabled or impaired, but what about the person who had an accident in his 20s which resulted in brain damage, physically he is in perfect condition but there is cognitive impairment.
The paralympic movement does its best to balance this out. When I first started working around Paralympic sports it was primarily amateur sports people, the competition was often being used as therapy or a coping mechanism. Today there are a huge number of athletes in a variety of sports who make a living from the Paralympics, that simply wasn't the case 10-15 years ago.
With professionalism and bigger money comes commercial pressures and type of person who will push the limits of what constitutes being impaired because it can give them the edge in competition and ability to earn money.
It is not uncommon for the organising authorities to struggle to deal with the increase in professional athletes, in what had been amateur sports. Whether Paralympic sailing have got it right or not is open for debate.
Given ISAF, sorry World Sailing's complete mishandling of sailing's Paralympic status, the question is largely academic, without Paralympic status the large scale funding and sponsorship will largely disappear and so will the professionals.
Hopefully what will remain will be sufficient funding for those who will benefit from our sport to help them cope with or recover from their impairments. Even better they might just go sailing for the simple enjoyment of being on the water.
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I spent a number of years working for one of the Paralympic National Associations (As a technology consultant) and this has always been a recurring problem for the NAs and the sport.
The public perception of what constitutes Impairment and what people see in the Event coverage is often out of alignment. The Paralympics endeavour to provide fair competition for a wide range of disabilities, from mental impairment to people born with no limbs.
If a competitor is missing a limb it is easy say, yes that person is disabled or impaired, but what about the person who had an accident in his 20s which resulted in brain damage, physically he is in perfect condition but there is cognitive impairment.
The paralympic movement does its best to balance this out. When I first started working around Paralympic sports it was primarily amateur sports people, the competition was often being used as therapy or a coping mechanism. Today there are a huge number of athletes in a variety of sports who make a living from the Paralympics, that simply wasn't the case 10-15 years ago.
With professionalism and bigger money comes commercial pressures and type of person who will push the limits of what constitutes being impaired because it can give them the edge in competition and ability to earn money.
It is not uncommon for the organising authorities to struggle to deal with the increase in professional athletes, in what had been amateur sports. Whether Paralympic sailing have got it right or not is open for debate.
Given ISAF, sorry World Sailing's complete mishandling of sailing's Paralympic status, the question is largely academic, without Paralympic status the large scale funding and sponsorship will largely disappear and so will the professionals.
Hopefully what will remain will be sufficient funding for those who will benefit from our sport to help them cope with or recover from their impairments. Even better they might just go sailing for the simple enjoyment of being on the water.
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That is definitely too much information. No I will have to go look at porn to cleanse my brain.
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“You haven’t won the race if in winning the race you have lost the respect of your competitors.”
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Your 3rd sentence is exactly what is wrong. To even use Impairment while talking about the Paralympics is wrong. An Impairment is not a Disability. Remember, A Disability is Life Changing. An Impairment can be mitigated.
As for the Mental issue, I have no issue with them. I know a few with Brain Injuries that have in the past and currently sail and they have issues that go way beyond my T-11 spinal paralysis. One competitor can't remember a race sailed before the finish. The 2 months I spent in rehab, I saw many stroke patients and I hope you or I never have one. At least I can think, get around and somewhat remember (age is creeping up)
And how funny is that, "Make a Living of the Paralympics". Go to School get educated and contribute to society, then train and compete in your off time to qualify. The Paralympics is about amatuer disabled people competing. It is not a Profession. That Oscar Pisshead, blade runner, asshole is a perfect example. If he had to have a real life, he might have not felt so entitled. Which is what many of the disabled professional amatuer athletes think they are, Entitled. South Park had a great episode mocking this very issue. You should look into how much some of the top professional disabled sailors get in terms of Financial support and gifts from sponsors.
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What is the name of the Italian guy in 470s 40 years ago who had polio and could not walk? He had a big styrofoam block in the back of his boat to get across when tacking or gybing. I remember finishing behind him on many occasions on Lake Garda in 20+ knots Ora. No disabled classes back then.
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Slidere Baciagalloope?
Rantifarian
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I was thinking the same. One of my students has no control nipples down and minimal hand and neck control. If someone pisses him off he threatens to run over their foot and headbutt them in the cock. Good kid
My late grandfather lost a leg in the Navy and had a sizeable amount of his intestines removed. He refused to call himself handicapped. I don't know a damn thing about the subject of this thread, but that statement may not be the smoking gun you think it is.
