Say goodbye to the Flying Tiger forum

[Kapt'n Kirk]

LH,

I have seen some insightful posts from you in the past but too many like the one above, uninformed, ignorant bullshit. After slinging shit like that it makes me question your other posts regarding your self proclaimed offshore rockstar status. Most of the really good sailors I've meet in the 50+ years of racing are humble and poinent regarding others property or skills. Take another look at those 5 little words you simply had to share with the SA world and think again if those are the words you want to define you to the other salors on this site. If you're every in BC swing by and you can go for a sail on my "piece of crap".

 

[left hook]

That's my opinion. Everybody has one. Just because I shared it doesn't make it any more or less valid. Your opinion of me is of someone spewing uninformed, ignorant BS. That's fine. I'm not going to slam you for being uninformed and ignorant because it's your opinion. However, saying someone is a tosser (snapper), lemming hater (bob), uninformed or ignorant (KK) for merely having an opinion is the incorrect way to go about reacting to that opinion. Rather the correct way would be to convince me that the horrible bomb bay door system, keels shooting water, nasty class association, suspect build quality, terrible rudders, mediocre hardware, hideous doghouse design, poor value retention, shitty OEM gear (sails, lines, etc) and lack of seaworthiness don't combine to make it something other than a piece of crap (again, my opinion). Lots of boats, good and bad, are fun to sail but considering those factors listed above (and the many others) and the relatively large cost associated with remedying them it shouldn't be a surprise that some might come to the same conclusion after comparing the FT10 to other similar boats.

 

[Bob Perry]

Hook:

I really don't care what you think, about anything.

Take Snapper up on his offer. Learn something.

 

[eerie sailor]

For the price the Tiger offers great speed and value. Though I don't own one, I have sailed many ( ~1000 NM) fun miles on them and have no qualms sailing offshore coastal races on them. The only thing I really did not like out of the box was the sliding companionway hatch. Still don't like it today. I don't think the boat was ever intended to be compared with a Melges 32 or any other expensive program. This is a blue collar trailerable planing 32 foot boat, that will be around when L.H. is 50.

 

[Snapper]

OK, I'll apologize for calling you a tosser. You bring up some valid points and concerns, most if not all have been addressed. There is plenty about the boat that I would have liked to have seen done differently. However, as I said, solutions have been found for almost everything you bring up.

Go for a sail on one. You might be surprised.

 

[Kapt'n Kirk]

That's my opinion. Everybody has one. Just because I shared it doesn't make it any more or less valid. Your opinion of me is of someone spewing uninformed, ignorant BS. That's fine. I'm not going to slam you for being uninformed and ignorant because it's your opinion. However, saying someone is a tosser (snapper), lemming hater (bob), uninformed or ignorant (KK) for merely having an opinion is the incorrect way to go about reacting to that opinion. Rather the correct way would be to convince me that the horrible bomb bay door system, keels shooting water, nasty class association, suspect build quality, terrible rudders, mediocre hardware, hideous doghouse design, poor value retention, shitty OEM gear (sails, lines, etc) and lack of seaworthiness don't combine to make it something other than a piece of crap (again, my opinion). Lots of boats, good and bad, are fun to sail but considering those factors listed above (and the many others) and the relatively large cost associated with remedying them it shouldn't be a surprise that some might come to the same conclusion after comparing the FT10 to other similar boats.

For the record I called your post ignorant, not you. I don't know you as it appears you don't really know or understand the Tiger. As an owner with 6 years in the boat I can say that the bombbay door is awesome and foolproof. Mine is better than the redesign. The keel has never "shot water" because I had the top of the flange sealed and kelp cutter filled day one. Chris Tutmark commissioned the boat and we had a majority of the teething issues solve before the keel hit the water. Most of your other issues are derived from your apparent lack of perpective and first hand knowledge of the boat, seaworthiness, OEM gear, there are several lines and components still on the boat today and the costs and resale issues because you never bought or sold this boat before. I'd say the bulk of your knowledge about this boat comes from what you've read on this site. That does not make you an expert at anything but still gives you the right to your opinion. The problem with stating a strongly worded opinion on an internet site like this is that you tend to look batshit crazy to those that know the facts and gather to your side those that hang upside down in the cave next to you.

 

[StayinStrewn]

you know Charlie...come sail with us some time and enjoy yourself, then quit crapping on the boat...As mentioned before, plenty of teething issues that have long been hashed out...let it go dude

 

[PurpleOnion]

That's my opinion. Everybody has one. Just because I shared it doesn't make it any more or less valid. Your opinion of me is of someone spewing uninformed, ignorant BS. That's fine. I'm not going to slam you for being uninformed and ignorant because it's your opinion. However, saying someone is a tosser (snapper), lemming hater (bob), uninformed or ignorant (KK) for merely having an opinion is the incorrect way to go about reacting to that opinion. Rather the correct way would be to convince me that the horrible bomb bay door system, keels shooting water, nasty class association, suspect build quality, terrible rudders, mediocre hardware, hideous doghouse design, poor value retention, shitty OEM gear (sails, lines, etc) and lack of seaworthiness don't combine to make it something other than a piece of crap (again, my opinion). Lots of boats, good and bad, are fun to sail but considering those factors listed above (and the many others) and the relatively large cost associated with remedying them it shouldn't be a surprise that some might come to the same conclusion after comparing the FT10 to other similar boats.

Somebody needs to move out of their parent's basement. Grow up please.

 

[Bob Perry]

Funny Onion.

 

[ctdriver]

That's my opinion. Everybody has one. Just because I shared it doesn't make it any more or less valid. Your opinion of me is of someone spewing uninformed, ignorant BS. That's fine. I'm not going to slam you for being uninformed and ignorant because it's your opinion. However, saying someone is a tosser (snapper), lemming hater (bob), uninformed or ignorant (KK) for merely having an opinion is the incorrect way to go about reacting to that opinion. Rather the correct way would be to convince me that the horrible bomb bay door system, keels shooting water, nasty class association, suspect build quality, terrible rudders, mediocre hardware, hideous doghouse design, poor value retention, shitty OEM gear (sails, lines, etc) and lack of seaworthiness don't combine to make it something other than a piece of crap (again, my opinion). Lots of boats, good and bad, are fun to sail but considering those factors listed above (and the many others) and the relatively large cost associated with remedying them it shouldn't be a surprise that some might come to the same conclusion after comparing the FT10 to other similar boats.

Intellectual honesty isn't taught in Rhode Island colleges? Sorry Wes, good luck when the real world comes calling.

 

[Trovão]

That's my opinion. Everybody has one. Just because I shared it doesn't make it any more or less valid. Your opinion of me is of someone spewing uninformed, ignorant BS. That's fine. I'm not going to slam you for being uninformed and ignorant because it's your opinion. However, saying someone is a tosser (snapper), lemming hater (bob), uninformed or ignorant (KK) for merely having an opinion is the incorrect way to go about reacting to that opinion. Rather the correct way would be to convince me that the horrible bomb bay door system, keels shooting water, nasty class association, suspect build quality, terrible rudders, mediocre hardware, hideous doghouse design, poor value retention, shitty OEM gear (sails, lines, etc) and lack of seaworthiness don't combine to make it something other than a piece of crap (again, my opinion). Lots of boats, good and bad, are fun to sail but considering those factors listed above (and the many others) and the relatively large cost associated with remedying them it shouldn't be a surprise that some might come to the same conclusion after comparing the FT10 to other similar boats.

opinions are like assholes - everybody has one, some (most!?) stink, some don't.

 

[Elegua]

I spent a good bit of time on the pre-production, rental units in Xiamen.

Despite a lot of deferred maintenance and abuse by incompetents, the boats operated fine. None of the issues listed in the forums and a real blast to sail.

 

[Kapt'n Kirk]

I've looked everywhere but can't seem to find the pictures of Dr Laura's FT 10M where they put a slick attachmentt point at the knucle of her boat to attach the bob stay. Anyone find that pic? Any suggestions or tips how to install/reinforce the area so it doesn't rip ahole in the boat?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Snapper]

I've looked everywhere but can't seem to find the pictures of Dr Laura's FT 10M where they put a slick attachmentt point at the knucle of her boat to attach the bob stay. Anyone find that pic? Any suggestions or tips how to install/reinforce the area so it doesn't rip ahole in the boat?

Thanks in advance.

I think it was a hole drilled through and sealed then beefy spectra spliced around and up to the pole with shock cord retractor. We towed up to WIRW at 19 knots with the Protector attached to the bow eye so I wouldn't be too worried about that area!

 

[CazzaRanda]

http://ft10class.info/media/pics-boats

https://plus.google.com/photos/100002566042416884950/albums/5624619168876033569/5624619283327919266?banner=pwa&authkey=CKCS-dn9opq3Zg&pid=5624619283327919266&oid=100002566042416884950

I've looked everywhere but can't seem to find the pictures of Dr Laura's FT 10M where they put a slick attachmentt point at the knucle of her boat to attach the bob stay. Anyone find that pic? Any suggestions or tips how to install/reinforce the area so it doesn't rip ahole in the boat?

Thanks in advance.

 

[EWS]

I've looked everywhere but can't seem to find the pictures of Dr Laura's FT 10M where they put a slick attachmentt point at the knucle of her boat to attach the bob stay. Anyone find that pic? Any suggestions or tips how to install/reinforce the area so it doesn't rip ahole in the boat?

Thanks in advance.

I believe it is just a drilled hole through the bow with a G10 tube epoxied and glassed in

 

[Bob Perry]

The yard in Xiamen just delivered a 13 boat FT7.5m fleet order to a Chinese group.

When Bill Stevens came up with the idea of the FT boats his target market was China.

 

[PHM]

“Our wretched species is so made that those who walk on the well-trodden path always throw stones at those who are showing a new road”

-Voltaire

 

[left hook]

"I don't care"

-Left Hook

 

[mad]

"FTA exists so a bunch of cunts can squawk about their nasty little fragile rockets."

Did ask Tuffie if you could use that?
I did.