Shields 30' vs Atlantic 30'

[Apheleia]

I saw either one of the racing on the Hudson R. 

Can someone explain me the difference between them?

They seemed to me heeling a lot.

 

[Veeger]

They seemed to me heeling a lot.

Was the wind blowing muchly?

 

[Apheleia]

Was the wind blowing muchly?

yeah, and they were racing. Still, seemed to be normal for these boats. I feel weird thinking about these boats - Fin keel, with the rudder attached to the back of the keel, right on the middle and bottom of the boat.

 

[Veeger]

 I feel weird thinking about them. 

Hmmm, could be that they ‘excited’ you….

 

[Apheleia]

Hmmm, could be that they ‘excited’ you….

They are good looking sailboats.

 

[Steam Flyer]

The Atlantic

Old-fashioned looking, low sheer, counter stern, overhangs...

The Shields:

How can you tell the difference?

The Atlantic has a "knuckle" in the bow profile and a bigger transom, lower & more vertical. It has the letter "A" on the sail, the Shields has a shield with an "S" in it.

They are both heavy and old-fashioned, but they are also both a lot of fun to sail.

Neither is as fast as an Etchells.

- DSK

 

[Sail4beer]

yeah, and they were racing. Still, seemed to be normal for these boats. I feel weird thinking about these boats - Fin keel, with the rudder attached to the back of the keel, right on the middle and bottom of the boat.

You feel weird because you are incorrect about the underwater profile for starters. But it’s probably a good idea to have the rudder on the middle and bottom of the boat.

 

[jackolantern]

What do you want to know? They both have active One Design racing on Long Island Sound. They both have national championships every year, both are pretty simple to sail but difficult to sail well. Very sensitive to weight and fore/aft trim. Very VERY sensitive to mainsail trim as it relates to the balance of the boat. The rudders on these things are really more like trim tabs so the best person on your boat needs to be your mainsail trimmer.

 

[Marty Gingras]

Competitive Shields can be had very (very) cheap and even the ancient ones are competitive.

 

[accnick]

I raced Shields on Narragansett Bay for several years. The rudder set well forward certainly results in less positive responses than a modern design of similar size such as the Etchells. Pre-starts and mark roundings require serious coordination between the mainsail trimmer and the helmsman.

The Shields is a slightly more modern design (S&S) than the Atlantic (Burgess), and is essentially a slightly scaled down version of a 6 metre, but with much simpler sail and rig controls.

The Shields is also a great boat for an afternoon booze cruise, especially in light air, when it moves beautifully. Two people can easily sail it for those purposes.

We raced the Shields with either three or four, depending on conditions.

 

[Marty Gingras]

...Shields is also a great boat for an afternoon booze cruise, especially in light air, when it moves beautifully...

That it does.  No engine.  No one in the Monterey Shields fleet has even bothered to rig an outboard.

 

[sunseeker]

What do you want to know? They both have active One Design racing on Long Island Sound. They both have national championships every year, both are pretty simple to sail but difficult to sail well. Very sensitive to weight and fore/aft trim. Very VERY sensitive to mainsail trim as it relates to the balance of the boat. The rudders on these things are really more like trim tabs so the best person on your boat needs to be your mainsail trimmer.

Wow, brilliant analysis. Could say the same for just about any boat.

 

[Marty Gingras]

Wow, brilliant analysis. Could say the same for just about any boat.

Eh, sarcasm is grossly inefficient communication.

 

[sunseeker]

Eh, sarcasm is grossly inefficient communication.

If you knew that asshole you might think differently.

 

[Marty Gingras]

If you knew that asshole you might think differently.

Thought there might be a backstory.  Your present message is highly efficient!

 

[BOKSAROX]

Very different designs.  The Atlantic has a much more mainsail driven sailplan.  The hull is shallower, and flatter under water which promotes surfing more easily in heavy air and waves.  Also a more comfortable boat to sail on.

 

[fastyacht]

The atlantic is older and cooler. But the Shields is a mini trainer for the IOD. And it looks drop dead gorgeous in the evening swingin on a hook off Conanicut.

 

[Kevlar Edge]

Shields…Volkswagen 

Atlantic… Porche

It’s the best description as far as old waterdozers go. 

I sank a Shields back in the day, 

I’m pretty proud of that. 
 

 

[Snaggletooth]

I sank a Shields back in the day, I’m pretty proud of that. 

Ist that the oune that wase retreeved licke three monthes latere?