Should I Buy a Beneteau Oceanis 38.1?

accnick

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I have one too. Anyone want it? I have totally failed to figure out an acceptable way to rig it given my bowsprit/roller/strut configuration. I'm not going to crawl out on the sprit every time I anchor or recover my anchor. I must be getting old or senile...
If you deploy your anchor from the end of a round bowsprit, I can see how that would be problematic. I have a platform anchor sprit surrounded by a railing. it still requires a bit of work on your hands and knees to rig the bridle, but that would be the case with almost any type of snubber.

And yes, I am old and probably senile.
 

Veeger

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My roller is about halfway out on the bowsprit and I have no headstay, rails or other 'grab' point. The sprit is for the assym or Code 0 which is not rigged. It 'can' be done, but once was when I said to myself (and anyone else who was in my vicinity)I ain't doing that AGAIN!
 

Beer fueled Mayhem

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I have that as well, but with an earlier version of the chainhook. It is very nicely made, but even the smallest version is a bit of overkill for my 34' powerboat.

I would have loved it on my heavy 40' cruising sailboat.

I have one too. Anyone want it? I have totally failed to figure out an acceptable way to rig it given my bowsprit/roller/strut configuration. I'm not going to crawl out on the sprit every time I anchor or recover my anchor. I must be getting old or senile...
I had the EXACT same problem with it when I used this...
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I switched to this and the happy coincidence was that it got through my bow roller setup.
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Beer fueled Mayhem

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I still have that original hook, but with the gate modification piece that keeps the chain from falling out. My old hands can barely operate it.

Do you like that new hook?
That old hook with the gate was a bitch for me to open as well. The new hook is a definite (for me) upgrade. The band that keeps the chain from coming out is a wear item and when I spoke with the cat from Mantus at the Seattle Boatshow this year, he said just email them and they will replace free of charge.
When retrieving the anchor I bring the chain up till the hook is visible, then I take the bridle legs off the cleats and put them inline with the chain. This tension on the legs gets the hook to fall inline and pass through my bow roller area. Every set-up is different but I've used the bridle on other boats with great success.
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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These run out well with the chain. Are easy to remove after a heavy load. We tie a bowline to the shackle when using it. And use a length of fire hose for chafe protection.

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This looks easier and is definitely cheaper. (US$82 for the Mantus thing is very expensive.) And you could make your own if you know how to make a soft shackle.

Easier/quickest to remove from the chain if you’re in a hurry to pull and go in high winds. No shackle to unscrew and drop/lose…

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accnick

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That old hook with the gate was a bitch for me to open as well. The new hook is a definite (for me) upgrade. The band that keeps the chain from coming out is a wear item and when I spoke with the cat from Mantus at the Seattle Boatshow this year, he said just email them and they will replace free of charge.
When retrieving the anchor I bring the chain up till the hook is visible, then I take the bridle legs off the cleats and put them inline with the chain. This tension on the legs gets the hook to fall inline and pass through my bow roller area. Every set-up is different but I've used the bridle on other boats with great success.
I ordered the new hook and two spare straps.

It remains to be seen how this might change the way I set this up, since my anchor is housed through an opening in a platform bowsprit, with the shank of the anchor coming up through the platform. It's simple to work with except when you're trying to attach the snubber, since the snubber bridle leads through on-deck chocks on either side of the bow.
 

Beer fueled Mayhem

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I ordered the new hook and two spare straps.

It remains to be seen how this might change the way I set this up, since my anchor is housed through an opening in a platform bowsprit, with the shank of the anchor coming up through the platform. It's simple to work with except when you're trying to attach the snubber, since the snubber bridle leads through on-deck chocks on either side of the bow.
Good luck with it!
 

Veeger

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This looks easier and is definitely cheaper. (US$82 for the Mantus thing is very expensive.) And you could make your own if you know how to make a soft shackle.

Easier/quickest to remove from the chain if you’re in a hurry to pull and go in high winds. No shackle to unscrew and drop/lose…

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I tried the soft shackle idea as well. Got pinched and badly chafed by the chain links after one use. Back to the rolling hitch. Possibly a larger soft shackle could avoid the issue but you still have to get it through the link and then comes the pinch (again)
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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I tried the soft shackle idea as well. Got pinched and badly chafed by the chain links after one use. Back to the rolling hitch. Possibly a larger soft shackle could avoid the issue but you still have to get it through the link and then comes the pinch (again)
Hmm, @Zonker reported great success with that for day-in-day-out cruising for months at a time. I think he said his wound last about a year, but obviously would need periodic checking. I think also did note that wear would likely be greater with older chain. He used 1/4” (6mm) Dyneema for 5/16” chain. @estarzinger also liked using these in lots of cruising. I don’t recall him mentioning any problems/failures.

Since I was planning to try this, I’m curious why yours chafed, given the good reports by them after lots of use.

BTW, what is the black/grey anti-chafe material on the Mantus pendant? (The blurry pic makes it look like electrical heat shrink, but I somehow doubt that’s what it is, and that it would hold up - maybe Dyneema chafe sleeve over the Dyneema, and heat shrink at the “joint” between them?)

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And the answer to the title of thre thread is still No.
I’ve been driving cross country the last few days and haven’t had a chance to check in until now.

I greatly appreciate the discussion on anchors and snubbers.

As to the last comment- sorry pal- the train’s already left the station, come what may. Please remind me again what boat you currently have?
 

Israel Hands

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I’ve been driving cross country the last few days and haven’t had a chance to check in until now.

I greatly appreciate the discussion on anchors and snubbers.

As to the last comment- sorry pal- the train’s already left the station, come what may. Please remind me again what boat you currently have?
Sold my Bene Oceanis two years ago and bought a Nordic 44. So I could really go to sea.
(which admittedly has been limited to date with work, but hey I’m getting there)
 
Sold my Bene Oceanis two years ago and bought a Nordic 44. So I could really go to sea.
(which admittedly has been limited to date with work, but hey I’m getting there)
Bob Perry…..so yesterday. My dad owned one of his designs (Islander 28)…in 1977. The Nordic looks like a bigger version. Mid-20th century hull and foil shapes? No thanks. I prefer a modern hull shape and appendages. And I guarantee: I’ll cross oceans just fine- in comfort, safety….and with pace. To each his own.

Just got word yesterday: My boat will be ex-factory 25 April, so damn: no delivery until late May.

In the meantime, I’ll be enjoying the Appalachian mountains!
 

Jud - s/v Sputnik

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Sold my Bene Oceanis two years ago and bought a Nordic 44. So I could really go to sea.
(which admittedly has been limited to date with work, but hey I’m getting there)
Good timing. They do have a tendency to lose their keels from time to time. But, if you purchase Beneteau’s “BonneChance KeelCarePlus (TM)” maintenance program option, you can avail yourself of the Authorized Factory Service Representative Network - so, getting a replacement sorted out after periodic failure should be straightforward. In and out service.
 
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