Should Joe Biden deliver the State of the Union Address from the White House?

[veni vidi vici]

Yes, cling to the hope that something bad must be going on for somebody you hate.

You were looking for a stumbling, fog-bound, senile man, and suddenly you realized the guy you were watching was yes, old AF but had energy, clear thinking, and most of all the strength of good ideas and a positive attitude. That just cannot be right, huh?

Xiden is tightly controlled and only marched out in carefully scripted scenarios
The guy is mentally impaired from his strokes
Say .. where are the results from his annual physical which he claimed was going to happen months ago.
The guy could not pass the typical Medicare annual check up.

 

[billy backstay]

.......How about Speaker McCarthy show some leadership and lay it out for the American people?

McCarthy wouldn't know "leadership" if it bit him on the ass!!!

 

[veni vidi vici]

Thanks, BB. I think there are a couple of important points. One, despite some rather odd negativity such as sneering and refusing to clap for the reduction of the deficit, Republicans responded with a good bit of positivity. They stood and clapped for Biden several times.

Biden also reached out to Republicans, giving them credit, and offering to work together in the future.

The real interesting part was the open conflict and the way Biden transitioned from Mr. Nice Guy into Mr I Fuckin' Dare You, talking about Social Security and the border. And Republicans fell for the bait, heckling him and sneering and refusing to clap for their own supposed principles.

A good speech, it sure buries the idea of "Sleepy Joe" or "Senile Joe" to anybody who was actually paying attention. It could easily have been shorter, though. And he did not give any attention to my own pet peeve, the threat to the nation of mass media pandering to fascist bullshit.

There was no reduction in deficit!
Oh .. you mean the trajectory of the deficit
Slight to words for loinfomofo’z with a keyboard

 

[Bus Driver]

What are you talking about?' He said there is a proposal in his office. McCarthy didnt say that. In one sentence you say leadership has not proposed to Biden. In another you say you want to see the proposal. Go have some coffee.

The "proposal" to which he is referring is the one from Sen. Rick Scott. President Biden referred to it when he said "Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some Republicans want Medicare and Social Security to sunset every five years."

 

[Bus Driver]

He then went on to say "Next month when I offer my fiscal plan, I ask my Republican friends to offer their plan.

We can sit down together and discuss both plans together."
That sounds to me like there has been no good faith plan has been put forth by Republicans.

 

[veni vidi vici]

The "proposal" to which he is referring is the one from Sen. Rick Scott. President Biden referred to it when he said "Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some Republicans want Medicare and Social Security to sunset every five years."

He then went on to say "Next month when I offer my fiscal plan, I ask my Republican friends to offer their plan.

We can sit down together and discuss both plans together."
That sounds to me like there has been no good faith plan has been put forth by Republicans.

Link the “plan”

 

[Peter Andersen]

The "proposal" to which he is referring is the one from Sen. Rick Scott. President Biden referred to it when he said "Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some Republicans want Medicare and Social Security to sunset every five years."

Your going around in circles tilting at windmills buddy. The Scott proposal was shot down long ago by the GOP and was in an attempt to challenge McConnell. Then Repubs and Dems both stood when he mentioned not making these phantom cuts. It was a fail at baiting. The speechwriter should be fired.

Biden seemed to be referring to a plan U.S. Sen. Rick Scott proposed almost a year ago. That plan plainly states: "All federal legislation sunsets in 5 years. If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again." Scott certainly believed the president was talking about his plan, and he responded on social media in a Wednesday morning Twitter thread in which he said Biden was "twisting my words" and that his proposal was not about challenging valuable government programs.

 

[Peter Andersen]

The "proposal" to which he is referring is the one from Sen. Rick Scott. President Biden referred to it when he said "Instead of making the wealthy pay their fair share, some Republicans want Medicare and Social Security to sunset every five years."

Over a year ago.. Try to stay up to date! Both McConnel and McCarthy recently said 'SS and Medicare cuts are off the table' That is the leadership. So do you assume theirposition? Or one outlier from Florida?

Not too many 'mostly true' or 'true' ratings.

PolitiFact - Fact-checking Joe Biden's 2023 State of the Union address

Amid continued political polarization, and with opinion polls showing an uneasy public, President Joe Biden aimed to del

www.politifact.com

Because the POTUS did not mentally humiliate himself as he usually does, his sheeple call it a big success when it is merely surviving.

 

[veni vidi vici]

The only thing that the government has grown is government!
They don’t even bother passing the annual budget as required by the Constitution

 

[Steam Flyer]

Your going around in circles tilting at windmills buddy. The Scott proposal was shot down long ago by the GOP... ...

So, you are strongly against cutting SocSec and/or Medicare?
Good, we agree.

Now, what serious and practical policies has the GOP presented for solidifying them fiscally?

 

[veni vidi vici]

So, you are strongly against cutting SocSec and/or Medicare?
Good, we agree.

Now, what serious and practical policies has the GOP presented for solidifying them fiscally?

Prattling

 

[Peter Andersen]

So, you are strongly against cutting SocSec and/or Medicare?
Good, we agree.

Now, what serious and practical policies has the GOP presented for solidifying them fiscally?

I agree that at least reviewing all spending every 5 years, rather than ignoring it for 40 years, is probably a reasonable position. Things can change every 40 years or so.

And this jobs things is stupid statistical cherrypicking and mostly pandemic related. This country is not better off economically. He basically ignored crime and immigration, forefront on the minds of most Americans. He mentions fentanyl but not where its coming from.

 

[Steam Flyer]

So, you are strongly against cutting SocSec and/or Medicare?
Good, we agree.

Now, what serious and practical policies has the GOP presented for solidifying them fiscally?

I agree that at least reviewing all spending every 5 years, rather than ignoring it for 40 years, is probably a reasonable position. Things can change every 40 years or so.

About what I expected... backing away from agreeing to not cut SocSec and Medicare while snarkily ignoring the policy question.

This is why Republican shit falls apart. Other than cutting taxes for the wealthy, you're behind that 100% huh

When you have an ACTUAL policy, the door is open.

 

[Bus Driver]

Over a year ago.. Try to stay up to date! Both McConnel and McCarthy recently said 'SS and Medicare cuts are off the table' That is the leadership. So do you assume theirposition? Or one outlier from Florida?

Not too many 'mostly true' or 'true' ratings.

PolitiFact - Fact-checking Joe Biden's 2023 State of the Union address

Amid continued political polarization, and with opinion polls showing an uneasy public, President Joe Biden aimed to del

www.politifact.com

Because the POTUS did not mentally humiliate himself as he usually does, his sheeple call it a big success when it is merely surviving.

If that is the only plan submitted, what else should we look at?

Has Speaker McCarthy submitted a plan? Has anyone else in the GOP leadership submitted a plan?

Details are important. Vague references to "spending cuts" are not sufficient.

 

[veni vidi vici]

About what I expected... backing away from agreeing to not cut SocSec and Medicare while snarkily ignoring the policy question.

This is why Republican shit falls apart. Other than cutting taxes for the wealthy, you're behind that 100% huh

When you have an ACTUAL policy, the door is open.

Where is this cutting Social Security and Medicare you keep bringing up?
Zip zero nada but political fake news

 

[Bus Driver]

Where is the current Republican plan/proposal?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Where is the current Republican plan/proposal?

Misdirection

 

[Olsonist]

Maybe I missed it. Did he specify "leadership" was proposing the cuts? I didn't hear that. ...

Paul Ryan has proposed Medicare cuts, "entitlement reform", in the past when he was Speaker of the House. This is not a new proposal.

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www.fiercehealthcare.com

 

[Steam Flyer]

Where is this cutting Social Security and Medicare you keep bringing up?
Zip zero nada but political fake news

Yeah, all libby-rull propaganda bullshit like Forbes and WSJ

Republicans Plan To Cut Social Security—Will Voters Let Them?

Key Republicans say they will cut Social Security and Medicare if their party gains power. Some Republicans are considering raising the full retirement age to age 70.

www.forbes.com

Republicans' plans to slash Social Security and Medicare are becoming clearer: 'We have no choice but to make hard decisions'

Republicans have indicated that they're willing to hold off on raising the debt ceiling in order to secure cuts to Medicare and Social Security.

www.businessinsider.com

Here's How Republicans Can Cut Social Security Benefits by $174 a Month | The Motley Fool

This under-the-radar change is designed to reduce Social Security's expenditures.

www.fool.com

Republicans Plan Debt-Limit Crisis to Force Cuts to Medicare and Social Security

They always do this.

nymag.com

Republicans, Eyeing Majority, Float Changes to Social Security and Medicare

Democrats have seized on Republican proposals to limit retirement benefits to galvanize voters ahead of the midterm elections.

www.nytimes.com

The Motley Fool is a deeply conservative (translation: trumpalo but trying hard to not be screeching whackoe liars) finance/investment news group split off from Wall Street Journal. Here's an interesting tidbit which seems to be a wink-wink about proclaiming how they are trying so-o hard to not cut SocSec:

The Must-Read Kevin McCarthy Quote on Social Security | The Motley Fool

U.S. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has had to speak a lot about Social Security lately and how it ties to the debt ceiling debate.

www.fool.com

 

[Chris in Santa Cruz CA]

I agree that at least reviewing all spending every 5 years, rather than ignoring it for 40 years, is probably a reasonable position. Things can change every 40 years or so.

And this jobs things is stupid statistical cherrypicking and mostly pandemic related. This country is not better off economically. He basically ignored crime and immigration, forefront on the minds of most Americans. He mentions fentanyl but not where its coming from.

Beats a lying Putin cocksucking felonious douchebag. Joe is at least acting like a president. The republicans may never wash off the stench and lingering rotting gangrenous limbs left over from the bullshitter grifter presidency in name only.