Skeltic (Keltic Marine) Help

Defy

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Team!

So I have been boatless for about 5 months (sold them all when I left VA for TX) and I just couldn’t take it any more!  
 

Picked up a cool little winter project that I am going to restore and bring back to all its dinghy glory!  Problem is I can’t find anything on the nets about it.  All I have to go on is it says Skeltic on the sail, Kelt on the transom and Keltic Marine on the bow.  I assume it’s French but I could be wrong.  
 

I have a attached a pic of a rigged one.  I will rig mine this weekend to see what I am missing.  So far it looks like it’s mostly there but it’s missing the stainless eye on the bow for the forestay.  I think I can fab it up pretty easy it’s a neat little setup.  
 

Anyone have one or know info on it?  I am thinking about a full resto if it sails well.  I want to use this to learn how to paint/gelcoat a boat not just patches like I did on my other boats.
 

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fastyacht

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Designed late 80s? (I was infatuated with windsurfer rad cam stuff at the time ad designed a wishbone boom full roach thing a lot like that at the time.)  This will be great to see back in action.

 

Blaise

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Designed late 80s? (I was infatuated with windsurfer rad cam stuff at the time ad designed a wishbone boom full roach thing a lot like that at the time.)  This will be great to see back in action.
I remember seeing these on the beach, in France, back in the 80’s. My recollection is that it was Keltic’s response to Beneteau’s wizz https://www.beneteau.com/en/sailing-yacht-1965-1981/wizz or maybe I got it wrong and they came the other way around. 

 

Defy

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So upon further inspection it looks like I have all the important parts of the hardware.  So now time to over analyze … enjoy …
 

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1) Looks like the red/green wires are the shrouds.  The mast only has 2 eyes I think one is for a down haul and one mid way up is for shrouds/jib.  Question on a dinghy of this size (4.45m) do I put them all in one shackle?  Any special type I should use? 

2) looks like it has a trap setup.  I have a harness somewhere from an old Hobie I thing but anyone know how that setup is supposed to work?  
 

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3) this is the jib tack with the forestay threw the jib. The shrouds are fixed with no adjustments so do I need adjustments here or is it just used to tighten everything up?  I want to do a full dynema setup but I might just do the shrouds. 
 

4) this got me thinking with no roller furler and no reefing setup not much I can do to de-power… I guess I need 2 sets of sails and small top tube for the mast so I can have normal and “oh shit it’s windy”?  Should I put a small furler on it?  
 

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5) Found the forestay eye (I think that is what you call it)!!!  While we are at the bow this thing is going to need a kite!  Any ideas on a bow sprit?  I am thinking an aluminum hing thingi similar to my old Corsair F241 but then there would need to be stays for it so I don’t think that would work…. Might be a bridge to far..

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6) last set of questions bottom hole is the mast pocket.  Top one not sure of.  I assume that’s where a block/cam goes for the main sheet but whats the hole for?  
 

All and all I am super stoked just want to find sails for it as there are no local sail makers here in SATX (I assume).  Anyone have recommendations for dinghy sailmaker that I could send them too to copy?  Or how to search for France’s best dinghy supply website (gotta be a few of those there). 

 
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Defy

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I can translate what I can read if needed. 
Thanks I will try translation tools if not I might reach out for help.  That will give me an excuse to learn something.

 I do have a question the name of the boat is “Heibine” does that mean anything? 

 
Hi Defy,

Actually found the links when searching for info about the BIC 410 hull, I was given for free a few years ago. Used parts from my stash to build it up to a singlehander: 8.5sqm cut down main from a Blaze, windsurfer boom and mast from a Flipper Dinghy.

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Blaise

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Thanks I will try translation tools if not I might reach out for help.  That will give me an excuse to learn something.

 I do have a question the name of the boat is “Heibine” does that mean anything? 
Absolutely no idea.... It is not a French word. It may be a noun, or a contraction of two first name like Heidi + Sabine.

Note in passing how a even a European recreational fun boat had a trapeze while North Americans seem terrified about it, castrated a perfectly good design like the 420 to turn it into the C420 monstrosity, and sail mostly trapeze-less boats. Why is it so?

 

fastyacht

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Note in passing how a even a European recreational fun boat had a trapeze while North Americans seem terrified about it, castrated a perfectly good design like the 420 to turn it into the C420 monstrosity, and sail mostly trapeze-less boats. Why is it so?
Trapeseless is college and high school saili g.  Jinior c420 all spon amd trapese

 

Defy

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Absolutely no idea.... It is not a French word. It may be a noun, or a contraction of two first name like Heidi + Sabine.

Note in passing how a even a European recreational fun boat had a trapeze while North Americans seem terrified about it, castrated a perfectly good design like the 420 to turn it into the C420 monstrosity, and sail mostly trapeze-less boats. Why is it so?
Thanks!  Yeah I want to figure out how this trap system works as it different than my old Hobie setup.

 

fastyacht

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I think that tail goes to the bungee and the ball acts as a stop. That pits the oblong ring standing oit for easy clip in

 

Defy

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Hi Defy,

Actually found the links when searching for info about the BIC 410 hull, I was given for free a few years ago. Used parts from my stash to build it up to a singlehander: 8.5sqm cut down main from a Blaze, windsurfer boom and mast from a Flipper Dinghy.

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How did that sail?  I am curious about this boom setup.  I am not a racer but I do like to play with sail trim and I am not sure how it will work with this.  I do hope it’s quasi fast, coming from a Corsair F24 I do love speed!  

 
I have no idea on how fast it is. As I come from Tornado catamaran background, anything else, except foilers, feels slow. But it feels nice. With the original dated sails you have, I guess you wish for more, though ;-) .

 
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Defy

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I have no idea on how fast it is. As I come from Tornado catamaran background, anything else, except foilers, feels slow. But it feels nice. With the original dated sails you have, I guess you wish for more, though ;-) .
Yeah we’ll see if I really get time to sail again I am buying a newer Corsair 24.  It’s so nice to walk out to an ama when you need to “hike out”. My knees/aren’t what they were 20 years ago.  
 

This will be just a toy to play with.  Still need to find someone to send the sails to that I can trust won’t lose mine when making a template.  

 
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