Slip Sized Catamarans

MultiThom

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Guy in the local marina parks his Gemini Mc105 in a slip.  Doesn't sail it much so I'm wondering why.  Seems to be a pretty nice accomodation space.  Anyone have Gemini experience?  Any other slip sized catamarans?  

 

Zonker

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They sail ok because they have centerboards. Their bridgedeck clearance, especially later models (where they piled on more stuff), is abysmal. Quality is moderate. The Hunter of production cats. Wouldn't cross an ocean in it though some have.

I imagine the early Brit Cats (30' Iroquois at 13.5' beam, 35' Cherokee at 16.5' beam) can fit in lots of typical slips. The Iroquois has a reputation for capsizing due to wind a bit with enthusiastic owners.

 

basketcase

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They sail ok because they have centerboards. Their bridgedeck clearance, especially later models (where they piled on more stuff), is abysmal. Quality is moderate. The Hunter of production cats. Wouldn't cross an ocean in it though some have.

I imagine the early Brit Cats (30' Iroquois at 13.5' beam, 35' Cherokee at 16.5' beam) can fit in lots of typical slips. The Iroquois has a reputation for capsizing due to wind a bit with enthusiastic owners.
funny you call them 'the Hunter of production cats', as they are/were built by Hunter. They are heavy, slow, and hobbyhorse like mad in any kind of waves.

Any of the 16 foot beam boats will go into a double slip. the PDQ32 was a nice little boat, the 36 was a bit big for a slip. The Tomcat 970, if you can find one, is a great little boat, well built. The Iroquois are pretty old, and mostly overpriced and tired.

 
Endeavorcats are slip sized but they too suffer from a really low bridgedeck. The lightest chop will have them slamming even at anchor. These small cats are great if you can accept and work around their limitations. We have friends with a Gemini and it's a Bahamas cruising machine. The 1.5 foot draft is amazing.

 

Tomfl

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Stiletto 27 at just over 13 ft beam would fit in most slips.  It will beat the pants off every thing mentioned so far as it is basically an over grown beach cat.  There are coffin like bunks in the hulls and if you have half a day you can take it apart and put it on a trailer with a couple of big strong friends.  Easy to rig a tent over the boom for boat camping.

(203) Capt Mike's inpection - YouTube

 

Zonker

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as they are/were built by Hunter.
Most were build by Tony Smith in Annapolis MD. From their site:

https://www.geminicatamarans.com/common/resources/GEMINI/Press/Gemini-Gems-Gemini-The-Beginning.pdf

"In 1981 the very first Gemini Catamaran was launched.... Between 1980 and 1996 Performance Cruising produced over 500 Geminis with 4 different ‘models’. First came the 3100, followed by the 3000, the 3200 and finally the 3400. ...In 1996, Tony began work on a brand new Gemini. Built from the ground up and designed using the latest computer modeling programs, the Gemini 105M became the pinnacle of Tony’s career.

....Mid-2009, the downhill slide in the economy and the marine industry...blah blah J

Just prior to the complete shutdown of the company, Laura Smith Hershfeld made an approach to The Catamaran Company to see if they had any interest in helping to keep the Gemini alive and together with Laura they agreed to form a new company to purchase the assets of PCI. This was fantastic news for PCI and the family as it gave Tony and Sue the means to retire and Laura became the President of Gemini Catamarans, Laura had originally approached Hunter Marine in 2008 with a view to having them manufacture the Gemini 105Mc but no agreement had been reached. Two years later Laura finally partnered with Hunter to have them manufacture the Gemini....The initial result of this new manufacturing arrangement was a new “hybrid” Gemini, which was introduced at the US Sailboat show in Annapolis, MD in October 2010"

So Hunter has been in the picture for about a decade, but Tony Smith and family built the vast majority from 1981 to 2009

 

basketcase

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Most were build by Tony Smith in Annapolis MD. From their site:

https://www.geminicatamarans.com/common/resources/GEMINI/Press/Gemini-Gems-Gemini-The-Beginning.pdf

"In 1981 the very first Gemini Catamaran was launched.... Between 1980 and 1996 Performance Cruising produced over 500 Geminis with 4 different ‘models’. First came the 3100, followed by the 3000, the 3200 and finally the 3400. ...In 1996, Tony began work on a brand new Gemini. Built from the ground up and designed using the latest computer modeling programs, the Gemini 105M became the pinnacle of Tony’s career.

....Mid-2009, the downhill slide in the economy and the marine industry...blah blah J

Just prior to the complete shutdown of the company, Laura Smith Hershfeld made an approach to The Catamaran Company to see if they had any interest in helping to keep the Gemini alive and together with Laura they agreed to form a new company to purchase the assets of PCI. This was fantastic news for PCI and the family as it gave Tony and Sue the means to retire and Laura became the President of Gemini Catamarans, Laura had originally approached Hunter Marine in 2008 with a view to having them manufacture the Gemini 105Mc but no agreement had been reached. Two years later Laura finally partnered with Hunter to have them manufacture the Gemini....The initial result of this new manufacturing arrangement was a new “hybrid” Gemini, which was introduced at the US Sailboat show in Annapolis, MD in October 2010"

So Hunter has been in the picture for about a decade, but Tony Smith and family built the vast majority from 1981 to 2009
absolutely. and the history goes farther back than that to Tony building in England. but Hunter finished it, and made some horrid overweight boats.

 

boardhead

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Tony used to be "in the other half of the building" in Sandwich, Kent (next to Derek Kelsall's Sandwich Marine) where he built the Telstar range of trimarans, mostly the twenty six footer which became the 8M. The common thread with the Telstar and Gemini range of multihulls was their affordability, Tony was expert at putting just enough into his boats to get the job done and he made a lot of them - pretty sure over 1,000 105's in the States.

As has already been stated here they were not the greatest quality or the highest tech but they made it possible for guys to include the wife and family in their sailing exploits safely and inexpensively and the improved quality and higher price of the Hunter product proved that Tony's approach was a winning formula.

 

Zonker

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They are certainly a boat where if you understand it's limitations it's a decent vessel. Don't overload, don't try to sail it to windward in a steep chop.

 
One of the nicest slip sized catamaran (I call them "pocket cats") I've ever encountered was the TomCat 9.7 or 970.  Decent accommodations, nice build quality, and good performance as a coastal cruiser.

 

Derbygal

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We have a 1986 Catalac 10M with a 15' beam, fits into any slip quite nicely :)

edit to add - we plan to live aboard and travel - she's very comfortable all around

Admiral - Wind Dragon II

 
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MultiThom

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One of the nicest slip sized catamaran (I call them "pocket cats") I've ever encountered was the TomCat 9.7 or 970.  Decent accommodations, nice build quality, and good performance as a coastal cruiser.
There is a smaller version, a TomCat 6.2 which is trailerable with demountable amas so 8' wide on the road, 11' wide while sailing.  One is listed in Latitude 38 for sale in N. CA.  Looks like a nice day sailor with an all up weight of about 900 pounds.  

 
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