bplipschitz
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I'm not condoning swearing at competitors while racing, but this is clearly a bad example. Listen to the car to pit radios during a NASCAR race sometime. Some drivers swear all the time. Some even at their competitors.
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Je Prefere
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To me there’s a huge difference between, ‘ come up you fuckwit’ and ‘wtf come up’. Also perhaps for a committee to decide in context, but the one is just colorful language, the other a directed insult.
OutofOffice
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Screw’em all. If your paying enough attention to other competitors that their colorful language makes you clutch your pearls and stand aghast, then maybe you should keep your head inside your own boat. Maybe if you did that you wouldn’t be DFL and looking for a reason to protest...
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1) That's not what I responded to.
2) Maybe sports where you still have to wear an ascot when you play, but none that I do.
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This is some bullshit. "Higher standards" is generally code for whatever the oldest person in the club thinks. You could just as accurately say "Obsolete standards that don't apply anywhere else in life".
Hopefully I have prepared my child, mother, or grandparents properly for competition, meaning they know how to take care of themselves. Are your child/mother/grandparents really that in need of your powerful protection?
And finally, you trust protest committees? I'm guessing you have not seen very many of them.
You sound like a straight up colonial.
comcrudesgru8
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what sports do you do ?
hobot
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Maybe it's an insult where you live but here in 'merica it virtually means the same thing!
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OutofOffice
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This whole discussion is insane to me. Did any of you play high school or college sports? Please, enlighten us as to how your coach talked to you. Now, how old are we?
tiz
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The sport is correcting itself. No need for rule 69 protests. There's just a few assholes and soon that will be all the fleets have. Just my opinion. I have no desire to race anymore because it's not fun.
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fufkin
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I hear there are some junior soccer leagues that don't keep score anymore. Too tough for the kids and parents to deal with. Keeping score seems to lead to all sorts of messiness. As ass backward a lesson in sportsmanship that I can think of.
It's banter like this that reminds me of the old expression, golf is a waste of a good walk. In sailing terms, racing 'can' become a waste of a good day on the water.
As for how professional sports relate to weekend warriors, perhaps by way of example or as a role model(hopefully a good one). It's amazing how quietly the crews of a couple of pro match racing teams can go about their business.(not all the time though)
But pro sports are so far from the 'ascot' example above its not even close, and each has a tough code of conduct to reel in the fierce competitors. Take tennis as an example. The code of conduct, that has evolved over decades since the days of McEnroe and Nastase, to the point where today it's...first infraction...warning...2nd point penalty...3rd...game penalty...4th match penalty. Is it as strictly enforced as it could be? No. Has it cleaned up the sport. Yes. Do players routinely bend rules? Yes. Do competitors go into it knowing their opponents will do it? Yes. If they didn't, it would be an amateur mistake. Is their routine under the breath muttering in multiple languages? Yes. Colourful and profane language quietly directed towards an opponent or the umpire. Check.
Anything less than fighting tooth and nail, in my books is bad sportsmanship. Not leaving it on the field or court is worse. Gotta be able to leave it all out there and joke about it at the bar afterward.
I guess this is where sail racing is a little different. Other sports can fine for errant behaviour, even institute a ban, but not too many can materially change the outcome of a match or game in a protest room after the fact.
It's banter like this that reminds me of the old expression, golf is a waste of a good walk. In sailing terms, racing 'can' become a waste of a good day on the water.
As for how professional sports relate to weekend warriors, perhaps by way of example or as a role model(hopefully a good one). It's amazing how quietly the crews of a couple of pro match racing teams can go about their business.(not all the time though)
But pro sports are so far from the 'ascot' example above its not even close, and each has a tough code of conduct to reel in the fierce competitors. Take tennis as an example. The code of conduct, that has evolved over decades since the days of McEnroe and Nastase, to the point where today it's...first infraction...warning...2nd point penalty...3rd...game penalty...4th match penalty. Is it as strictly enforced as it could be? No. Has it cleaned up the sport. Yes. Do players routinely bend rules? Yes. Do competitors go into it knowing their opponents will do it? Yes. If they didn't, it would be an amateur mistake. Is their routine under the breath muttering in multiple languages? Yes. Colourful and profane language quietly directed towards an opponent or the umpire. Check.
Anything less than fighting tooth and nail, in my books is bad sportsmanship. Not leaving it on the field or court is worse. Gotta be able to leave it all out there and joke about it at the bar afterward.
I guess this is where sail racing is a little different. Other sports can fine for errant behaviour, even institute a ban, but not too many can materially change the outcome of a match or game in a protest room after the fact.
A guy in the Chesapeake
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Have you ever done any other kind of racing GB? Not bustin' your stones, but, any competitive endeavor where someone's invested years of effort and more $$ than could ever be prudent in the pursuit of a win/record is very emotionally invested in that pursuit, and when something f*cks it up? Coarse language is quite normal.
Exactly, my 8th grade lacrosse coach yelled at us with enough curse words to never give a damn. If you are a thin skinned person where as a curse word bothers you, grow the fuck up. Curse words put emphasis on things these days. They are just like any other adjective to me. It does not bother me one bit. There is no difference in calling someone an idiot, vs fucking idiot. If you get called an asshole, chances are look in the mirror long enough and it is probably true at some point in another. Sure some other language is more eloquent and high class. However, did you understand the lesser language any different ? NO!. The people complaining about cursing are probably the idiots that post they hate people who don't use proper grammar. If that is how you judge people, good fucking riddance.
Mozzy Sails
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Er, no it's not. There are things we have to tolerate in day to day life but does going to your sailing club have to be another hard up life lesson in how to 'take care of oneself'? There's no reason to make a weekend hobby about enduring abusive language. There are plenty of ways to vocalise your displeasure at a competitor without being abusive. However, maybe you'd be a better racer yourself if you didn't feel the need to swear at people and focused on your own race.
Preparing your family for a 'sailing' competition shouldn't require them to take abuse. It a hobby, something you do for fun. Stop kidding yourself you're in some sort of high stakes death match that requires the uttermost unrelenting aggressive tone.
And how exactly do your family take care of themselves? By meekly sitting there accepting abuse? By shouting back so all the sport becomes is the CLEAN family in a shouting match with the Jones? Sounds like a great way to spend the weekend. Or do you teach them to go physically attack the other sailors who shout at them?
I notice you don't swear in your commentary? Why is that? When you see someone do something stupid you don't call them out as a fuckwit when you interview them?
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OutofOffice
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Then you’re doing it wrong.
Why let some foul mouthed, high strung, ill-tempered Neanderthal ruin your perfectly good day on the water? Last I checked, the only time I really had to deal on a one on one basis with my competitors was at the start line, after that, talk all you want. I’m sailing, see you at the finish line.
Gone Drinking
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So who now decides what is foul language. As far as the media is concerned nothing seems to be off base these days. And is that actually grounds for misconduct?
If you get offended by being called a fucking asshole, stop being a fucking asshole. It really is that simple. It's just words people, get over it.
If you get offended by being called a fucking asshole, stop being a fucking asshole. It really is that simple. It's just words people, get over it.
Grande Mastere Dreade
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What would be a reasonable request?
OutofOffice
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All of sailings problems stem from people calling others do-do heads and using words we all learned when we were 6 in the highly stressful environment that is racing, got it.
asinine statement. I don’t know anyone who has stopped racing period because of a few curse words. I know plenty of boats that can’t get crew because of a ill-tempered skipper, or certain events that have declining numbers because of a few bad apples. The free-market that is sailing in general tends to sort these things out in the end.
