Socialism/capitalism

[jzk]

Because drug manufacturers have been proven to be less than safe in their product.

Remember, most drug rules have a group of dead people behind them.

No they haven't. The FDA kills far more people than it saves by keeping good drugs off the market.

 

[jzk]

The FDA is the authority entrusted by We The People to determine your insulin is "perfectly good."

You expect a buyer to take your say-so, on something you're selling? You're not interested in buyers and markets, you want suckers.

I expect a buyer to do all sorts of things to figure out whether products are good or not. How about we have both? FDA approval for people that think the FDA is great. Others can do what they want. Their bodies, their choice, remember?

 

[jzk]

Kind of like engineering safety rules... written in blood.

But JZK hates laws that protect the rest of us from him, he wants to be a predator.

The FDA kills far more people than it saves.

 

[Raz'r]

Hold on, I have to check ... I have never had my feelings hurt by a milquetost suburban rightie who can commit to neither an ideal nor a trade, so I'm not sure ...

Nah, my feelings are untouched, you're good. You can continue to follow me around without concern.

You may be a Trump
Fan due to horseshoe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory theory, but it just shows your confusion on what you really want. Do you support democracy and rule of law, or rule of personality so that “things get done?” You’ve lost your way.

 

[Steam Flyer]

I expect a buyer to do all sorts of things to figure out whether products are good or not. How about we have both? FDA approval for people that think the FDA is great. Others can do what they want. Their bodies, their choice, remember?

Yep.

Not "their bodies, YOUR choice."

Let's say you make a "perfectly good drug." Cures something. You can sell it without FDA approval, you just can't call it a drug or say it cures stuff. After all, you're the one selling it, why would you not lie? That's what trumpalos do, all the time, and people who trust them are suckers.

Now let's say that in order to sell a drug and be able to sell it to doctors, for curing people, we have an totally independent groupd of scientists and doctors who have no vested interest in your making a profit, and let them test it. If they say it's "perfectly good" -then- you can sell it as a cure etc etc.

Why would you be against this process? I am suspicious.

The FDA kills far more people than it saves.

History says otherwise.

 

[jzk]

Yep.

Not "their bodies, YOUR choice."

Let's say you make a "perfectly good drug." Cures something. You can sell it without FDA approval, you just can't call it a drug or say it cures stuff. After all, you're the one selling it, why would you not lie? That's what trumpalos do, all the time, and people who trust them are suckers.

Now let's say that in order to sell a drug and be able to sell it to doctors, for curing people, we have an totally independent groupd of scientists and doctors who have no vested interest in your making a profit, and let them test it. If they say it's "perfectly good" -then- you can sell it as a cure etc etc.

Why would you be against this process? I am suspicious.



History says otherwise.

Actually the data is clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves. While it does, on occasion, save people from a bad drug, it more often prevents good, life-saving drugs from reaching the marketplace.

If I sold insulin that didn't work, the marketplace would find out very soon, and I would be out of business. But it wouldn't even get to that. Some lab would test it and confirm it works.

 

[jhc]

Actually the data is clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves. While it does, on occasion, save people from a bad drug, it more often prevents good, life-saving drugs from reaching the marketplace.

If I sold insulin that didn't work, the marketplace would find out very soon, and I would be out of business. But it wouldn't even get to that. Some lab would test it and confirm it works.

Apparently republicans would be willing to lay down their life, and we’ll being to defend your “product”. Targeted marketing would make you a rich man.

 

[Raz'r]

Actually the data is clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves. While it does, on occasion, save people from a bad drug, it more often prevents good, life-saving drugs from reaching the marketplace.

If I sold insulin that didn't work, the marketplace would find out very soon, and I would be out of business. But it wouldn't even get to that. Some lab would test it and confirm it works.

And yet the poison peddlers keep killing people:

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The wife of a Northern California congressman died late last year after ingesting a plant that is generally considered safe and is used as an herbal remedy for a variety of ailments, including diabetes, obesity and high cholesterol, KHN has learned.

 

[jzk]

And yet the poison peddlers keep killing people:

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The wife of a Northern California congressman died late last year after ingesting a plant that is generally considered safe and is used as an herbal remedy for a variety of ailments, including diabetes, obesity and high cholesterol, KHN has learned.

Yes, people die. With the FDA, a whole lot more die than without. The difference between us is that you are willing to let people die over your political ideology.

 

[Olsonist]

More yawn.

 

[Danceswithoctopus]

Actually the data is clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves. While it does, on occasion, save people from a bad drug, it more often prevents good, life-saving drugs from reaching the marketplace.

If I sold insulin that didn't work, the marketplace would find out very soon, and I would be out of business. But it wouldn't even get to that. Some lab would test it and confirm it works.

Which data are those?

And to be clear: which lab is the "some lab" to which you refer that would test the insulin that doesn't work and confirm that it works?

 

[jzk]

Which data are those?

And to be clear: which lab is the "some lab" to which you refer that would test the insulin that doesn't work and confirm that it works?

All sorts of testing facilities would develop. There would be similar things as UL listed, etc. If you didn't like them, you could always just buy FDA approved drugs and, perhaps, be one of the people that die because the FDA hadn't approved the life saving medication.

Either way, what right do you have telling people what they can put into their own bodies?

 

[mikewof]

You may be a Trump
Fan due to horseshoe https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory theory, but it just shows your confusion on what you really want. Do you support democracy and rule of law, or rule of personality so that “things get done?” You’ve lost your way.

Maybe you haven't really been paying attention, but it's you "righties" who are fascinated by Trump.

Wingboarding lefties like me ... not so much.

 

[Danceswithoctopus]

All sorts of testing facilities would develop. There would be similar things as UL listed, etc. If you didn't like them, you could always just buy FDA approved drugs and, perhaps, be one of the people that die because the FDA hadn't approved the life saving medication.

Either way, what right do you have telling people what they can put into their own bodies?

I don't tell people what they can put into their own bodies. Knock yourself out . . . literally.

I do support the FDA screening out the snake oil.

I ask again: Which data are, "clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves"?

 

[Steam Flyer]

Actually the data is clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves.

That is just an RWNJ lie.

Take all the unregulated drugs you want. Your body, your choice. Your risk, too. All those people who sell unregulated drugs are wonderfully honest and have done all their own research. You can trust them if you choose, but history suggests that "trust but verify" is a wiser action.

... what right do you have telling people what they can put into their own bodies?

That's not what the FDA does. The FDA prevents -you- from selling drugs that are not tested and passed.

You can buy and take any drug you can find for sale, anywhere.

 

[jzk]

I don't tell people what they can put into their own bodies. Knock yourself out . . . literally.

I do support the FDA screening out the snake oil.

I ask again: Which data are, "clear that the FDA kills more people than it saves"?

Just google "FDA kills more people than it saves" and see what you find. There are all sorts of studies out there that prove it.

 

[Raz'r]

Yes, people die. With the FDA, a whole lot more die than without. The difference between us is that you are willing to let people die over your political ideology.

Plenty of places you can move

Maybe you haven't really been paying attention, but it's you "righties" who are fascinated by Trump.

Wingboarding lefties like me ... not so much.

I'm certainly to the right of you. To the left of many. Not many are to the left of you. And everyone to your right is a "rightie"

No wonder democrats can't get their shit together - they shoot at each other. No pure Scotsman indeed.

 

[jzk]

That is just an RWNJ lie.

Take all the unregulated drugs you want. Your body, your choice. Your risk, too. All those people who sell unregulated drugs are wonderfully honest and have done all their own research. You can trust them if you choose, but history suggests that "trust but verify" is a wiser action.



That's not what the FDA does. The FDA prevents -you- from selling drugs that are not tested and passed.

You can buy and take any drug you can find for sale, anywhere.

I don't know of anyone on the "right wing" that advocates eliminating the FDA. You are just an idiot with your "RWNJ" commentary.

Meanwhile, the FDA prevents poor people from having access to cheap insulin. And, it causes all sorts of death and misery which you seem to be cool with. I personally don't think it is very cool at all.

 

[Danceswithoctopus]

Just google "FDA kills more people than it saves" and see what you find. There are all sorts of studies out there that prove it.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Your proposition. Your burden of evidence.

 

[Danceswithoctopus]

Jizzy, watch this:

The FDA does a fantastic job and has never made an incorrect call. It saves countless lives and has never caused harm.

For proof, google FDA is great or something like that.

See how that works?