Socialism/capitalism

Ventucky Red

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If you had a legit labor law claim, you get attorneys fees. Lawyers would be all over that. If there isn't another job that will support your family, then it sounds like you already had the best job that you could get.

Or you can start a business any time. And you can pay all sorts of high wages too. Just do it.

And yet he has money for sailing and time to waste here...
 

Swimsailor

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If you had a legit labor law claim, you get attorneys fees. Lawyers would be all over that. If there isn't another job that will support your family, then it sounds like you already had the best job that you could get.

Or you can start a business any time. And you can pay all sorts of high wages too. Just do it.
Look! Another delusional right wing nut job!
 

Swimsailor

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And yet he has money for sailing and time to waste here...
Yes, because I value time and experiences over money and things. And yeah, I also work my fucking ass off you piece of shit. Your desire for humans to work every moment of every day if their lives simply to survive is part of society's problem. Fuckwhits like you think that the size of your bank account actually means anything. Yet you fail miserably in every aspect of being a decent person.
 

Fah Kiew Tu

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The job I was at??? 60-70 work weeks doing manuql labor as an exempt manager without overtime,in clear violation of the law. When I complained? Hire a lawyer they said. So I can spend a shitton of money on a lawyer and spend the next 2 years of my life fighting or as you say, just get another job. And when there isn't another job that wl support my family? You are delusional to the plight of the average American.

Why didn't you just go home after you'd done your 40 hours and turn off your phone?

No pay, no work. Simple.

OK they can fire you so you need a Plan B but - they might have a problem explaining the unpaid OT in that case.

Dunno, I live in a different country with different labour laws but I used to take complementary time off for OT hours and my GF used to just switch her work phone off when she finished for the day. Not being actually paid to be on call 24/7, don't do it.

My boss used to hate me taking comp time but he knew that a) legally he was on thin ice and b) replacing me would be difficult. So - had to suck it up.

FKT
 

Swimsailor

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Why didn't you just go home after you'd done your 40 hours and turn off your phone?

No pay, no work. Simple.

OK they can fire you so you need a Plan B but - they might have a problem explaining the unpaid OT in that case.

Dunno, I live in a different country with different labour laws but I used to take complementary time off for OT hours and my GF used to just switch her work phone off when she finished for the day. Not being actually paid to be on call 24/7, don't do it.

My boss used to hate me taking comp time but he knew that a) legally he was on thin ice and b) replacing me would be difficult. So - had to suck it up.

FKT
I eventually did. Told my employer to go fuck himself, sold everything I owned and went sailing.
 

jzk

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Yes, because I value time and experiences over money and things. And yeah, I also work my fucking ass off you piece of shit. Your desire for humans to work every moment of every day if their lives simply to survive is part of society's problem. Fuckwhits like you think that the size of your bank account actually means anything. Yet you fail miserably in every aspect of being a decent person.
The cool thing about living in a free society is that you can have as small a bank account as you like.
 

Steam Flyer

Sophisticated Yet Humble
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And yet he has money for sailing and time to waste here...
Yes, because I value time and experiences over money and things. And yeah, I also work my fucking ass off you piece of shit. Your desire for humans to work every moment of every day if their lives simply to survive is part of society's problem. Fuckwhits like you think that the size of your bank account actually means anything. Yet you fail miserably in every aspect of being a decent person.

The big failure is that VenR and his buddies believe in PRIVILEGE. They think that of course there should be a large group of hopeless peons, literally slaving away for the profit of their bosses, with no health care, no hope of an education for themselves or their children, no door open to betterment, and of course NO VOTING, and their women should be free targets for their privileged lust and then pop out the babies whether they want to or not. Because society should be a rigid heirarchy from the bad people on the bottom to the best people on the top.

No equality. They hate equality.

You should not have leisure, it's a sign of laziness and of course you should be a peon. You should be laboring for the profit of your betters. As punishment for being a lib, if nothing else.
 
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Swimsailor

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The big failure is that VenR and his buddies believe in PRIVILEGE. They think that of course there should be a large group of hopeless peons, literally slaving away for the profit of their bosses, with no health care, no hope of an education for themselves or their children, no door open to betterment, and of course NO VOTING, and their women should be free targets for their privileged lust and then pop out the babies whether they want to or not. Because society should be a rigid heirarchy from the bad people on the bottom to the best people on the top.

No equality. They hate equality.

You should not have leisure, it's a sign of laziness and of course you should be a peon. You should be laboring for the profit of others. As punishment for being a lib, if nothing else.
That is a brilliant way to express all of this.
 

Not for nothing

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The cool thing about living in a free society
Where is this FREE Society? It Ain't here
Tell a Gay, a Woman, a Minority, a Migrant, a Gun Victim, Average American, about being Free
Eagles,
So oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains
And we never even know we have the key
or better yet turn up the volume
 

jzk

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Where is this FREE Society? It Ain't here
Tell a Gay, a Woman, a Minority, a Migrant, a Gun Victim, Average American, about being Free
Eagles,
So oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains
And we never even know we have the key
or better yet turn up the volume

No doubt we don't live in a free society, and the "progressives" here would make it less free than it is now.
 

jzk

Super Anarchist
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The big failure is that VenR and his buddies believe in PRIVILEGE. They think that of course there should be a large group of hopeless peons, literally slaving away for the profit of their bosses, with no health care, no hope of an education for themselves or their children, no door open to betterment, and of course NO VOTING, and their women should be free targets for their privileged lust and then pop out the babies whether they want to or not. Because society should be a rigid heirarchy from the bad people on the bottom to the best people on the top.

No equality. They hate equality.

You should not have leisure, it's a sign of laziness and of course you should be a peon. You should be laboring for the profit of your betters. As punishment for being a lib, if nothing else.
In a free society, there is no "privilege." There is just free people interacting with eachother. I can't force anyone to work for my business. I can only pay them a wage that his high enough to get them to voluntarily agree to work for me. Nor can I force anyone to buy my product. I can only get money from customers by offering a product that they value at a price that they accept.
 

jzk

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Why were workers worth relatively more 50 years ago?

In 1972 the majority of USA households had one income. Yet they could afford education, health care, housing, cars with fins, actually buying a ticket to go into a theater to watch movies, etc etc.

Households with 2 or 3 or 4 or more incomes cannot afford any of those things, they can barely afford food.

Why is that?
Is it really your position that life for workers in the US was better in 1972 than today? Or is it that it was socialist in 1972 but capitalist today?

Which households with 4 incomes can "barely afford food?"
 

veni vidi vici

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The big failure is that VenR and his buddies believe in PRIVILEGE. They think that of course there should be a large group of hopeless peons, literally slaving away for the profit of their bosses, with no health care, no hope of an education for themselves or their children, no door open to betterment, and of course NO VOTING, and their women should be free targets for their privileged lust and then pop out the babies whether they want to or not. Because society should be a rigid heirarchy from the bad people on the bottom to the best people on the top.

No equality. They hate equality.

You should not have leisure, it's a sign of laziness and of course you should be a peon. You should be laboring for the profit of your betters. As punishment for being a lib, if nothing else.
Not that “there should be a large group of hopeless peons”
No … just accept the fact that there always will be
Life is too short to spend my time trying to push ropes
 
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