Someone tried to kill me tonight

[silent bob]

So he is being charged with the following

-Larceny of Merchandise from a retailer- Felony due to multiple prior convictions

-Resisting arrest ( which is the same level as the arresting offense, so in this case it is a felony)

-Possession of Stolen Property- Felony (the firearm)

-Possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony - Felony

Not sure what the punishment will be for him, he has multiple prior weapons charges and is on probation for prior charges so he should get the book thrown at him. I am guilty of not following up on people once I arrest them, it usually frustrates me when I  see what they get plead down to and how little time they end up doing so I have found it better to do my job on the street and let the court system do their job. It is two separate systems for a reason, it is so the anger I feel towards him doesn't affect his punishment. 

As for doing anything differently, I have run it through a bunch and can't see anything I would change other than I would have rather not got in a fight. The shoplifting didn't reach the needed criteria for drawing my weapon and having him exit the vehicle at gunpoint. Once the fight was on it might have been better to disengage and sprint for cover then deal with him from there, but that would have likely meant a gunfight and getting shot at which I am in general pretty against. Plus my back drop was a "RedBox" machine with a family standing in front of it so my shooting opportunities  would have be extremely limited. So I guess the real answer is, no, I wouldn't change much. We both survived a situation that could have quickly turned into a lethal situation for multiple people, that's about the best outcome I could hope for.

Thank you for your service!  

In Los Angeles, he’d be out on the street already, and Jerry Brown and Kamala Harris would make sure he got ration of welfare.

 

[Cal20sailor]

I'm very happy you are ok.  Well done!  Out of curiosity, what was your SA on the pax in the vehicle during all this kerfuffle?  I am not a fan of LEO going into a confrontation solo.  I get the manning issues.  But I would likely blow off traffic enforcement to make sure I kept pairs together for safety.  Too many bad actors out there and when its one LEO vs more than one potential bad guy, my spidey senses would be going haywire.

And who gives a shit what you think?

 

[SloopJonB]

Of course, if the owner had known he was lined up for a heavy fine, the theft of that item wouldn't have been mentioned. And if after this incident they managed by some fluke to chase down a paper record in some dealer's office indicating that he bought it:  "where is this gun you bought 6 months ago?" "I didn't like it, I sold it to a guy at k-mart".

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I would also like to clarify something, I don't "enjoy dealing with assholes", I just happen to be reasonably good at it and have a few skills that allow me to do it better than most. I would rather deal with the assholes of the world so some innocent person who doesn't have my skill set doesn't have to deal with them. 

But also, no one here needs to get an overly high opinion of me, about 95% of my job is being an adult for people that can't.

No offense intended by that. From my perspective, most of your job is dealing with assholes. And you've said you enjoy your job. It mystifies me but I'm glad people enjoy being cops. I know you get to do very gratifying things too, but those aren't most of your job. Most of it seems to be dealing with those "people who can't" act responsibly. AKA assholes. And you somehow treat them with respect, which is why the topic guy is alive.

The odds are overwhelming that this shitbag will do nothing but more bad stuff.

He has a family.

People do change over time. Young men are violent. Not so much after age 50.

 

[Steam Flyer]

I would also like to clarify something, I don't "enjoy dealing with assholes", I just happen to be reasonably good at it and have a few skills that allow me to do it better than most. I would rather deal with the assholes of the world so some innocent person who doesn't have my skill set doesn't have to deal with them. 

But also, no one here needs to get an overly high opinion of me, about 95% of my job is being an adult for people that can't.

No offense intended by that. From my perspective, most of your job is dealing with assholes. And you've said you enjoy your job. It mystifies me but I'm glad people enjoy being cops. I know you get to do very gratifying things too, but those aren't most of your job. Most of it seems to be dealing with those "people who can't" act responsibly. AKA assholes. And you somehow treat them with respect, which is why the topic guy is alive.

The odds are overwhelming that this shitbag will do nothing but more bad stuff.

He has a family.

People do change over time. Young men are violent. Not so much after age 50.

To some extent I agree with Jeff. This particular example of the species almost certainly has negative value. Do we want to waste our limited oxygen on him? I can think of a couple of reasons to say "yes" for one thing he does (or did) have a family and that's important. Although this is a lot more namby-pamby than I usually swing, the concept of 'redemption' is one of the most powerful in our culture and one that deserves at least some reference in all cases. Jeff can be forgiven for not referencing it himself, giving his belief that our legal system is primarily driven by Judeo-Christian values </irony font>

The biggest reason is that we do NOT want our law enforcement officers to become executioners of suspected criminals.

I am very glad that VG is a law officer. He's definitely one of the 'good guys.'

-DSK

 

[Ed Lada]

Thank you for your service!  

In Los Angeles, he’d be out on the street already, and Jerry Brown and Kamala Harris would make sure he got ration of welfare.

Of course they would.  Asshole.

 

[Ed Lada]

Yes, because a shit bag criminal in the middle of an altercation with a cop usually reaches for a cell phone or an insulin pump while he's being told emphatically not to reach in his waistband....

JFC!  The ONLY reason I'm glad VG didn't shoot this shit bag is I wouldn't want him to have to deal with the hassle and the inevitable moral ramifications that he would likely carry with him for the rest of his life regardless of how "good a shoot" it might have been.  But I honestly have to say I wish the shitbag had pulled the gun out and some other OKL officer with a body cam had put two in his chest and dropped the shitbag DTS. 

Sorry, but the world would have been a better place today without said shitbag in it.  Just saying.

Jeff, sometimes, no often, you are a complete douchebag.  You must have a really small penis which you make up for by your macho posturing.  Try killing somebody up close and personal instead of from a climate controlled office at 10,000 feet and then get back to me with that bull shit tough talk.  The world would be equally better without macho blow hards like you.  Just saying.

 

[silent bob]

Of course they would.  Asshole.

I was referring to the perp.  Moonbeam’s only ‘Get Tough on Crime’ movement has been to revoke the parole of the Manson clan. You know, the ones who had their Death Sentences converted to Life Without Parole!  Jerry’s policies have let too many criminals back on the street, including too many that have murdered Police officers when they should have still been in custody.  Kamala Harris, when she was the DA in San Francisco, took capital punishment off the table for a cop killer case before she knew all the details of the case.  California has turned into the Wild Wild West.

 

[the_abandoned_brane]

I was referring to the perp.  Moonbeam’s only ‘Get Tough on Crime’ movement has been to revoke the parole of the Manson clan. You know, the ones who had their Death Sentences converted to Life Without Parole!  Jerry’s policies have let too many criminals back on the street, including too many that have murdered Police officers when they should have still been in custody.  Kamala Harris, when she was the DA in San Francisco, took capital punishment off the table for a cop killer case before she knew all the details of the case.  California has turned into the Wild Wild West.

That's happened all across the US to a lesser extent. Obama DOJ tied the hands of cops, now criminals no longer fear them nor the justice system. We're devolving into a 3rd world country.

http://fox59.com/2017/10/30/video-group-of-teens-rob-two-cvs-stores-in-cleveland-more-than-50-times/

 

[Ed Lada]

I was referring to the perp.  Moonbeam’s only ‘Get Tough on Crime’ movement has been to revoke the parole of the Manson clan. You know, the ones who had their Death Sentences converted to Life Without Parole!  Jerry’s policies have let too many criminals back on the street, including too many that have murdered Police officers when they should have still been in custody.  Kamala Harris, when she was the DA in San Francisco, took capital punishment off the table for a cop killer case before she knew all the details of the case.  California has turned into the Wild Wild West.

Capital punishment is not the answer.  Rather ironic that many think the best way to stop killing is to kill people.  Doesn't seem to be terribly effective either.  It seems the so called Christians, or the followers of Christ prefer the Old Testament when it comes to punishing wrong doing, the old eye for an eye shit.  As a matter of fact, most Christians seem to me to believe more in the Old Testament hard line attitudes on homosexuality, adultery, punishment, etc.  They chose to ignore the teachings of the namesake of their cult, non violence, forgiveness, turn the other cheek, etc.  They should call themselves Abrahamists or something, not Christians.  Bunch of fucking hypocrites.

By the way, as much as I appreciate good LEOs like Vernon, I don't think any group should be singled out for special treatment in the eyes of the law.  I disagree entirely with the idea that killing a LEO is any worse than killing any other human being.  They know the risk when they sign up for the job. 

 

[Ed Lada]

That's happened all across the US to a lesser extent. Obama DOJ tied the hands of cops, now criminals no longer fear them nor the justice system. We're devolving into a 3rd world country.

http://fox59.com/2017/10/30/video-group-of-teens-rob-two-cvs-stores-in-cleveland-more-than-50-times/

Keep it up asshole, you are batting 1,000 so far.  Everything is Obama's fault, what were people thinking when they elected a black man as President.  The nerve!  Next thing you know, those black people will expect to be treated like white people.

 

[SloopJonB]

He has a family.

People do change over time. Young men are violent. Not so much after age 50.

Who cares?

There's over 7 billion people in the world - why should we make allowances for dangerous assholes just because they might become more civilized in a few decades?

 

[the_abandoned_brane]

Keep it up asshole, you are batting 1,000 so far.  Everything is Obama's fault, what were people thinking when they elected a black man as President.  The nerve!  Next thing you know, those black people will expect to be treated like white people.

You really need to find out what happened in cities across the us over the last 5 years. You're ignorance is not my problem. 

They don't want to be treated like white people, they want special privileges. They want to not be held accountable for their actions. And they're getting it.

 

[Ed Lada]

You really need to find out what happened in cities across the us over the last 5 years. You're ignorance is not my problem. 

They don't want to be treated like white people, they want special privileges. They want to not be held accountable for their actions. And they're getting it.

First of all, you are full of shit.  Secondly, you have enough of your own problems to deal with, stop trying to avoid introspection.  What will it hurt to take a deep look inside yourself?  You already know you are an asshole, accept the responsibility for your actions, try to do better and stop worrying what others are doing.  You have fucked up the lives of those close to you more than any black stranger with or without a gun ever has.  You have 2 choices. You can try to understand your behavior and strive to do better, or you can continue to live in denial and blame your situation on everybody but yourself.  It isn't easy to accept that you are an asshole but until you realize that, you will never be on the road to being a less imperfect person.  Look at it this way. Your life can't get much worse, but with a little work, it can become significantly better.  Get better or get bitter, the beauty of life is you can make that choice.  You have apparently chosen to get bitter but it's never to late to reverse your course.

 

[Ishmael]

You really need to find out what happened in cities across the us over the last 5 years. You're ignorance is not my problem. 

They don't want to be treated like white people, they want special privileges. They want to not be held accountable for their actions. And they're getting it.

You're ignorance is not my problem either. Looser.

 

[Steam Flyer]

That's happened all across the US to a lesser extent. Obama DOJ tied the hands of cops, now criminals no longer fear them nor the justice system. We're devolving into a 3rd world country.

http://fox59.com/2017/10/30/video-group-of-teens-rob-two-cvs-stores-in-cleveland-more-than-50-times/

Oh yeah, big news, FOX blames Obama for something bad.... WAAH! oh wait he's not President any more, everything's all better now. Even beer is better!

-DSK

 

[Vgree]

Well this is spiraled out of control, see you guys later.

 

[SloopJonB]

It's what we do here.

 

[the_abandoned_brane]

You're ignorance is not my problem either. Looser.

 

[Ed Lada]

Jebus Vern, you calmly dealt with a person that might have tried to kill you, no problem, and you can't deal with the inevitable thread drift here?  This is Political Anarchy, after all.