southern ocean mayhem, mayhem mayhem!!!

[Superpickle]

2 Nukes wasnt enough for the Gooks.. !

 

[Cats Rule]

Best thing that could happen is if any countries (excpet the Japanese) Navy got involved and went down there. Sanctions should be put on the Japs and then if there was a warship down there they would be able to enforce these, and they would be able to stops the sea sheppard's doing anything crazy, and if either side breaks the rules then a Naval force should be able to board a confiscate the offending ship.

You think twice about spray grafitti over a wall if theres a copper walking past

 

[Evo]

have just seen some tv footage....nothing i could find on you tube yet.

oh boy...here we go again....from what i've seen so far the SS boat is running the collision course, closing the japs who are slightly ahead to their starboard side. the japs alter course a few degrees to starboard (turning away) hitting the SS boat which is now close alongside with it's stern.

once again...wtf where SS thinking?

 

[Shife]

Why is it that those that advocate confrontational tactics and violence think that they are the only ones that care about the environment?. Few if any people here that spend time on the water are not deeply appreciative of the resources we have been blessed with, and outraged at the activities that are going on, like whaling and overfishing. The Earth Liberation Front believes they are protecting the environment, does that justify their tactics and frequently illegal actions?. The SSS are deliberately provoking confrontations that will injure or kill people trying to stop an activity that is deplorable, but legal.
Does the fact that Asian Carp that are in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal and very close to Lake Michigan and a potential ecological disaster give me the right to harass barges or engage in violent behavior towards the Canal users and operators?. Whether I like it or not, they are engaged in legal activity.

You want to stop whaling?. Raise the international awareness and bring pressure to bear to amend the whaling conventions to eliminate the loophole that the Japanese are using. All of the SSS buffoonery is doing more harm than good.

Couldn't agree more.

The Sea Shepherds are not helping.

 

[elle]

video

 

[spankoka]

It still amazes me that that the Japanese Navy or JDF have not dispatched a few ships to fire on and/or sink these pirates.

The JMSDF can't get involved because of Article 9 of the constitution, but yeah a Aegis cruiser would make short work of it. The quota will be filled soon and then the show will over until next year.

 

[Chuck D.]

video

Not much of a ramming ... more like a sideswipe and given where the Japs made contact, fair to say they took the worse of it, maybe hosing up their prop shaft in the process.

 

[walterbshaffer]

It still amazes me that that the Japanese Navy or JDF have not dispatched a few ships to fire on and/or sink these pirates.

Will, I normally agree with most everything you say but in this case it's all about the environment.

Are you a member of Save The Bay? What if the North Koreans came into Narragansett and dumped a bunch of lead or mercury? Would you take them on? I'll bet you would.

For some of us the Sothern Ocean is our Narragansett Bay and those whales are our quahogs. Thier health = the health of our waters in a general sense. How are the fishing quota's out you way working? How did we even get to that point?

I'd like to see the whaling phased out over a period of 10-15 years, thereby giving the Japanese whaling industry a chance to make a soft landing into a more progressive direction.

Why is it that those that advocate confrontational tactics and violence think that they are the only ones that care about the environment?. Few if any people here that spend time on the water are not deeply appreciative of the resources we have been blessed with, and outraged at the activities that are going on, like whaling and overfishing. The Earth Liberation Front believes they are protecting the environment, does that justify their tactics and frequently illegal actions?. The SSS are deliberately provoking confrontations that will injure or kill people trying to stop an activity that is deplorable, but legal.

Does the fact that Asian Carp that are in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal and very close to Lake Michigan and a potential ecological disaster give me the right to harass barges or engage in violent behavior towards the Canal users and operators?. Whether I like it or not, they are engaged in legal activity.

You want to stop whaling?. Raise the international awareness and bring pressure to bear to amend the whaling conventions to eliminate the loophole that the Japanese are using. All of the SSS buffoonery is doing more harm than good.

My point was not to advocate agressive, dangerous or illegal actions but to point out that when something happens in your own backyard which damages your own environment you have a stronger reaction than something damaging the environment on the opposite side of the world.

Reserve your judgement until you find yourself in thier shoes.

 

[Regatta Dog]

The Japanese must have been listening to some of the total assholes on this site when they stepped up their aggression and continue to sink or attempt to sink the vessels of the anti-whaling sympathizers. Some intrepid and righteous organization needs to organize an armed flotilla to fight and sink the dastardly Japanese whale killers. Any intrepid armed seagoing vessels in the area should send their info into Regatta Dog care of this site, who is openly organizing a legitimately armed response to the unwarranted aggression by the Japanese whaling vessels against the Sea Shepherd maritime crews and vessels.

Nice call JD - but the video wasn't up yet so your post about the Japanese being the aggressors is total bullshit, unless you take the word of that self professed lying, douche bag Paul Watson who said -- "There's nothing wrong with being a terrorist, as long as you win. Then you write the history."

Video's on YouTube --

The video isn't conclusive, but believe whatever you want JD if it makes you feel morally superior.

I am against whaling. Watson's a total dick-wad and a menace.

 

[Regatta Dog]

It still amazes me that that the Japanese Navy or JDF have not dispatched a few ships to fire on and/or sink these pirates.

Will, I normally agree with most everything you say but in this case it's all about the environment.

Are you a member of Save The Bay? What if the North Koreans came into Narragansett and dumped a bunch of lead or mercury? Would you take them on? I'll bet you would.

For some of us the Sothern Ocean is our Narragansett Bay and those whales are our quahogs. Thier health = the health of our waters in a general sense. How are the fishing quota's out you way working? How did we even get to that point?

I'd like to see the whaling phased out over a period of 10-15 years, thereby giving the Japanese whaling industry a chance to make a soft landing into a more progressive direction.

Why is it that those that advocate confrontational tactics and violence think that they are the only ones that care about the environment?. Few if any people here that spend time on the water are not deeply appreciative of the resources we have been blessed with, and outraged at the activities that are going on, like whaling and overfishing. The Earth Liberation Front believes they are protecting the environment, does that justify their tactics and frequently illegal actions?. The SSS are deliberately provoking confrontations that will injure or kill people trying to stop an activity that is deplorable, but legal.

Does the fact that Asian Carp that are in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal and very close to Lake Michigan and a potential ecological disaster give me the right to harass barges or engage in violent behavior towards the Canal users and operators?. Whether I like it or not, they are engaged in legal activity.

You want to stop whaling?. Raise the international awareness and bring pressure to bear to amend the whaling conventions to eliminate the loophole that the Japanese are using. All of the SSS buffoonery is doing more harm than good.

My point was not to advocate agressive, dangerous or illegal actions but to point out that when something happens in your own backyard which damages your own environment you have a stronger reaction than something damaging the environment on the opposite side of the world.

Reserve your judgement until you find yourself in thier shoes.

In my back yard beaver trapping is legal. I don't approve of beaver trapping due to it's cruelty, but that wouldn't justify my ramming into a trapper's pickup truck on the highway.

 

[Grrr...]

I fail to see how folks continue to defend this.

#1. In the collision with the high-tech cat/tri, you can clearly see the SS cat/tri FLOOR it and the huge wake they generate to insure they actually do get hit. Had they put it in reverse? No collision.

#2. In this collision, conveniently taken along the cabin house, you can watch the ship on the horizon and watch the SS turn into the Japanese ship. The Japanese ship is the only one of the two to try to evade. So the SS tried to play a game of chicken and endangered all those people, and caused a collision.

Hey, I'm all for the banning of whale fishing. This is a sovereign nation they're fucking with. A nation who has announced their intentions. It would be PERFECTLY within Japan's rights to blow the fuck out of those boats. Purhaps hole them a couple of times with dummy torpedoes, take on the passengers as they sink, lock them up, finish their whaling, and then imprision the SS folks for negligent endangerment, piracy, or any one of the other dozens of laws these fuckheads are breaking.

 

[Regatta Dog]

I fail to see how folks continue to defend this.
#1. In the collision with the high-tech cat/tri, you can clearly see the SS cat/tri FLOOR it and the huge wake they generate to insure they actually do get hit. Had they put it in reverse? No collision.

#2. In this collision, conveniently taken along the cabin house, you can watch the ship on the horizon and watch the SS turn into the Japanese ship. The Japanese ship is the only one of the two to try to evade. So the SS tried to play a game of chicken and endangered all those people, and caused a collision.

Hey, I'm all for the banning of whale fishing. This is a sovereign nation they're fucking with. A nation who has announced their intentions. It would be PERFECTLY within Japan's rights to blow the fuck out of those boats. Purhaps hole them a couple of times with dummy torpedoes, take on the passengers as they sink, lock them up, finish their whaling, and then imprision the SS folks for negligent endangerment, piracy, or any one of the other dozens of laws these fuckheads are breaking.

Good eye Grr. Fairly conclusive I'd say.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I fail to see how folks continue to defend this.
#1. In the collision with the high-tech cat/tri, you can clearly see the SS cat/tri FLOOR it and the huge wake they generate to insure they actually do get hit. Had they put it in reverse? No collision.

#2. In this collision, conveniently taken along the cabin house, you can watch the ship on the horizon and watch the SS turn into the Japanese ship. The Japanese ship is the only one of the two to try to evade. So the SS tried to play a game of chicken and endangered all those people, and caused a collision.

Hey, I'm all for the banning of whale fishing. This is a sovereign nation they're fucking with. A nation who has announced their intentions. It would be PERFECTLY within Japan's rights to blow the fuck out of those boats. Purhaps hole them a couple of times with dummy torpedoes, take on the passengers as they sink, lock them up, finish their whaling, and then imprision the SS folks for negligent endangerment, piracy, or any one of the other dozens of laws these fuckheads are breaking.

Good eye Grr. Fairly conclusive I'd say.

I disagree. It was a turn of a few degrees at most. I thought they deliberately got their carbon tri rammed, but this one looks to me to be the Japanese ship's fault if I had to blame just one. I'd like to see more videos. The other incident looked different from different angles.

 

[Evo]

I fail to see how folks continue to defend this.
#1. In the collision with the high-tech cat/tri, you can clearly see the SS cat/tri FLOOR it and the huge wake they generate to insure they actually do get hit. Had they put it in reverse? No collision.

#2. In this collision, conveniently taken along the cabin house, you can watch the ship on the horizon and watch the SS turn into the Japanese ship. The Japanese ship is the only one of the two to try to evade. So the SS tried to play a game of chicken and endangered all those people, and caused a collision.

Hey, I'm all for the banning of whale fishing. This is a sovereign nation they're fucking with. A nation who has announced their intentions. It would be PERFECTLY within Japan's rights to blow the fuck out of those boats. Purhaps hole them a couple of times with dummy torpedoes, take on the passengers as they sink, lock them up, finish their whaling, and then imprision the SS folks for negligent endangerment, piracy, or any one of the other dozens of laws these fuckheads are breaking.

Good eye Grr. Fairly conclusive I'd say.

I disagree. It was a turn of a few degrees at most. I thought they deliberately got their carbon tri rammed, but this one looks to me to be the Japanese ship's fault if I had to blame just one. I'd like to see more videos. The other incident looked different from different angles.

SS is astern and on a collision course....you can argue the semantics all you like but please tell us why being on a collision course is a good thing with boats?

gotta get close to throw that acid i guess? can't understand why the japs would turn away from that.

 

[Regatta Dog]

I fail to see how folks continue to defend this.
#1. In the collision with the high-tech cat/tri, you can clearly see the SS cat/tri FLOOR it and the huge wake they generate to insure they actually do get hit. Had they put it in reverse? No collision.

#2. In this collision, conveniently taken along the cabin house, you can watch the ship on the horizon and watch the SS turn into the Japanese ship. The Japanese ship is the only one of the two to try to evade. So the SS tried to play a game of chicken and endangered all those people, and caused a collision.

Hey, I'm all for the banning of whale fishing. This is a sovereign nation they're fucking with. A nation who has announced their intentions. It would be PERFECTLY within Japan's rights to blow the fuck out of those boats. Purhaps hole them a couple of times with dummy torpedoes, take on the passengers as they sink, lock them up, finish their whaling, and then imprision the SS folks for negligent endangerment, piracy, or any one of the other dozens of laws these fuckheads are breaking.

Good eye Grr. Fairly conclusive I'd say.

I disagree. It was a turn of a few degrees at most. I thought they deliberately got their carbon tri rammed, but this one looks to me to be the Japanese ship's fault if I had to blame just one. I'd like to see more videos. The other incident looked different from different angles.

A turn of a few degrees.......toward the Japanese ship.

 

[barleymalt]

It still amazes me that that the Japanese Navy or JDF have not dispatched a few ships to fire on and/or sink these pirates.

Will, I normally agree with most everything you say but in this case it's all about the environment.

Are you a member of Save The Bay? What if the North Koreans came into Narragansett and dumped a bunch of lead or mercury? Would you take them on? I'll bet you would.

For some of us the Sothern Ocean is our Narragansett Bay and those whales are our quahogs. Thier health = the health of our waters in a general sense. How are the fishing quota's out you way working? How did we even get to that point?

I'd like to see the whaling phased out over a period of 10-15 years, thereby giving the Japanese whaling industry a chance to make a soft landing into a more progressive direction.

Why is it that those that advocate confrontational tactics and violence think that they are the only ones that care about the environment?. Few if any people here that spend time on the water are not deeply appreciative of the resources we have been blessed with, and outraged at the activities that are going on, like whaling and overfishing. The Earth Liberation Front believes they are protecting the environment, does that justify their tactics and frequently illegal actions?. The SSS are deliberately provoking confrontations that will injure or kill people trying to stop an activity that is deplorable, but legal.

Does the fact that Asian Carp that are in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal and very close to Lake Michigan and a potential ecological disaster give me the right to harass barges or engage in violent behavior towards the Canal users and operators?. Whether I like it or not, they are engaged in legal activity.

You want to stop whaling?. Raise the international awareness and bring pressure to bear to amend the whaling conventions to eliminate the loophole that the Japanese are using. All of the SSS buffoonery is doing more harm than good.

My point was not to advocate agressive, dangerous or illegal actions but to point out that when something happens in your own backyard which damages your own environment you have a stronger reaction than something damaging the environment on the opposite side of the world.

Reserve your judgement until you find yourself in thier shoes.

Read my post Walter, I am in their shoes or pretty damn close to it.. That doesn't justify their actions, and this is taking place in international waters, not someone's territory.

 

[doghouse]

Why is it that those that advocate confrontational tactics and violence think that they are the only ones that care about the environment?. Few if any people here that spend time on the water are not deeply appreciative of the resources we have been blessed with, and outraged at the activities that are going on, like whaling and overfishing. The Earth Liberation Front believes they are protecting the environment, does that justify their tactics and frequently illegal actions?. The SSS are deliberately provoking confrontations that will injure or kill people trying to stop an activity that is deplorable, but legal.
Does the fact that Asian Carp that are in the Chicago Sanitary and Ship Canal and very close to Lake Michigan and a potential ecological disaster give me the right to harass barges or engage in violent behavior towards the Canal users and operators?. Whether I like it or not, they are engaged in legal activity.

You want to stop whaling?. Raise the international awareness and bring pressure to bear to amend the whaling conventions to eliminate the loophole that the Japanese are using. All of the SSS buffoonery is doing more harm than good.

Couldn't agree more.

The Sea Shepherds are not helping.

I concur.

 

[oneguyfromdetroit]

video

Let's make a sailing analogy out of this:

1: SS is leeward boat, Japs windward. Jap boat is holding his course, and keeping clear. SS comes up, with luffing rights, and Japs turn to windward too keep clear. Oops! SS did not give Jap boat room to keep clear, i.e., SS was so close the Jap boat could not turn to keep clear, and avoid contact. SS is DSQ.

2: SS is windward boat. SS failed to keep clear of EOW leeward Jap boat. There was contact. SS is DSQ.

Once again, SS proves what completely inept, and dangerous fools they are.

 

[leonsuperfly]

some of you guys really need to do some homework here

this is not in "international waters" this in an area of ocean claimed by the australian government as part of their antarctic terrirory

as for their actions being legal link

you can decide on how relevant that legislation is for you and the grand old us of a, but the Australian government has made it very clear that this is not legal they are just being inactive because it would threaten australias extensive trade agreements with japan. the seasheperds are down there stirring shit to get people talking and get the media excited, thus putting pressure on the australian government to intervene.

Australia has sent gunboats after other countries poaching fish in these waters before link

but we do fuck all trade with chile so why not shootem if they're being naughty

as for the research argument, for those of you that haven't worked it out yet its total shit, japan says they kill the whales in order to age them by cutting a bone out of their ear, which is inaccurate to begin with, and you can get more meaningful info from their skin that peels off when they are breaching

Japan is yet to publish any research.

as for the colregs of both situations, this isn't a regatta guys in the real world of playing with big boats like these in open water if your not taking avoiding action at half a mile out you're in the wrong, which means they are all in the wrong, end of story. in any maritime court they would all lose their tickets in a heartbeat. And be looking at serious jail time if anyone was injured.

my 2 cents. As a means to an end the SS could get a great result out there by doing stupid and irresponsible stuff, I don't condone it but at least they are putting a big fuck off spotlight on whats happening

the whalers on the other hand know they are bullshitting the world to make money and frankly I think it would be a great lesson to the worlds children if they sunk

oh and with the carp thing

how would you react if some hillbilly started backing up his pickup, full of carp fry, At your local boatramp. i know i'd run into him.

 

[paps49]

Well here we all are again boys and girls.

Now before the usual flaming and insults start I do not necessarily condone the actions of the SS crowd. I do though believe someone should be doing something while the governments of the world, mine included, sit on their hands while the Japanese butcher whales and buy votes on the IWF.

Re the video I see the SS boat holding a course directly behind the whaling mother ship blocking its slipway as it has been doing for days. The Jap whaler is coming in on STB on a collision course and when the SS skipper holds his nerve in a high stakes game of chicken, the Jap skipper bails, just a tad too late.

Flame away Evo.