southern ocean mayhem, mayhem mayhem!!!

[andwhatsyourpoint]

...the seasheperds are down there stirring shit to get people talking and get the media excited, thus putting pressure on the australian government to intervene.

That may be what SS's press release says, but the only pressure I see is on that media whore Paul Watson to make good TV. It was painfully obvious after a couple of episodes into season one of Whale Whores that SS's crew are nothing but a bunch of impotent douchebags that lack even basic seamanship skills.
No doubt the Japanese are a bunch of douchebags as well, but don't go trying to pass off the SS assclowns as being any better.

 

[leonsuperfly]

...the seasheperds are down there stirring shit to get people talking and get the media excited, thus putting pressure on the australian government to intervene.

That may be what SS's press release says, but the only pressure I see is on that media whore Paul Watson to make good TV. It was painfully obvious after a couple of episodes into season one of Whale Whores that SS's crew are nothing but a bunch of impotent douchebags that lack even basic seamanship skills.
No doubt the Japanese are a bunch of douchebags as well, but don't go trying to pass off the SS assclowns as being any better.

look not knowing them personally, i can't comment on them being impotent douchebags but

I don't know if you've noticed but people are talking about it and the media is getting excited about it, there also seems to be increasing pressure on the australian government to intervene. Are you saying that this is all a by-product of them trying to make a third rate cable documentary???

Stand back everyone let the genius through.

 

[Keith]

Why take a knife to a gun fight, get a bigger, stronger vessel and do some serious damage... :angry:

 

[paps49]

...the seasheperds are down there stirring shit to get people talking and get the media excited, thus putting pressure on the australian government to intervene.

That may be what SS's press release says, but the only pressure I see is on that media whore Paul Watson to make good TV. It was painfully obvious after a couple of episodes into season one of Whale Whores that SS's crew are nothing but a bunch of impotent douchebags that lack even basic seamanship skills.
No doubt the Japanese are a bunch of douchebags as well, but don't go trying to pass off the SS assclowns as being any better.

look not knowing them personally, i can't comment on them being impotent douchebags but

I don't know if you've noticed but people are talking about it and the media is getting excited about it, there also seems to be increasing pressure on the australian government to intervene. Are you saying that this is all a by-product of them trying to make a third rate cable documentary???

Stand back everyone let the genius through.

Touche.

If this wasnt happening how much mainstream media do you think would be allotted to the annual whale hunt. Clue, Zero. You may abhor there methods but nothing else gets on Fox News.

 

[spankoka]

Great, let's make sure that Japan can't phase out whaling without a tremendous loss of face. Would you vote for anyone that would give a guy like Watson any satisfaction?

 

[Evo]

Leon. Customs boats and South African tugboats aren't gun boats. Take it to anti-whaling anarchy as it's not the point here. Please don't distort the facts.

As with the AG incident...it's seamanship being discussed here.

Paps...it's funny listening to blokes when they come off the water after a race. Many different stories about what happened but only the fellas who are in the front row of results seem to have anything like a similar version of events.

The reason is because they tend to see the whole picture (or a very large slice of it).

The fellas who get flogged week in and week out need to make excuses. Those excuses rarely make any sense to the blokes who beat them but it's their choice to think that way. Magical thinking i believe it's been called. Ya can't help those fellas...they are a closed shop. No point in arguing with them.

cheers

 

[meanmachine]

imho if you have to sink to the level of maritime terrorism to get attention that these crazy bastards use, then your argument does not have very much merit.

they should all be arested, have their COC torn up and their vessel de-registered

cheers,

 

[LB 15]

some of you guys really need to do some homework here

Physician heal thyself.

as for the colregs of both situations, this isn't a regatta guys in the real world of playing with big boats like these in open water if your not taking avoiding action at half a mile out you're in the wrong, which means they are all in the wrong, end of story. in any maritime court they would all lose their tickets in a heartbeat. And be looking at serious jail time if anyone was injured.

The only thing you are right about. Everything else you wrote is complete bullshit.

Again.

IRPCS Rule 13. Overtaking.

The overtakeing vessel shall keep clear.

Very simple. The Seatards caused it. Again.

These fuckwits should stay in the forest hugging trees were they are safe. The're not good at boats.

my 2 cents.

Thanks but you get change. It ain't worth that much.

how would you react if some hillbilly started backing up his pickup, full of carp fry, At your local boatramp. i know i'd run into him.

That would be a car full of carp being hit by a car full of crap.

 

[Der_Dude]

imho if you have to sink to the level of maritime terrorism to get attention that these crazy bastards use, then your argument does not have very much merit.
they should all be arested, have their COC torn up and their vessel de-registered

cheers,

It does not speak for your judgement and your understanding of seamanship if you are willing to call these people maritime terrorists based on two shitty 60-sec-clips that show nothing really.

In the 1st incident it seems like the SS-ship is actually moving into the whaler's course just seconds before the collision. But can you really judge from that perspective? And what if the Ady Gil's operator panicked, seeing the much larger and stronger Jap ship coming that close at considerable speed? Maybe he simply misjudged the situation and tried the wrong maneuver to avoid the collision? In any case, the Jap ship's captain action set the stage for the incident. He was clearly approaching the Ady Gil not the other way around. So it was at least partly his responsibity to keep clear. It was evidently not seamanlike to attempt such a close pass in that area and sea state.

In the 2nd incident it is impossible to tell from the brief clip whether the Bob Barker is turning into the Yushin Maru 3. The mother ship might have been turning too, both or all three might have been steering other than a straight course. We can just see relative movement and that doesn't tell us jack shit. Again it was the Jap ship that was approaching the SS ship to begin with.

So why condemn the SS-people? Because it's en vogue to bash enviromentalists? Because it makes you feel better abour your ignorance and inaction towards issues like illegal whaling to scold these freaks?

I'm not advocating the SS-ship's actions as legal or safe. I am just saying it's impossible to tell from those clips who had what part in the collision. Both parties seem extremely aggressive in their actions and willing to take some risks. However, in the 1st incident, to purposely stear your much inferior vessel in the course of another ship , that just doesn't make sense, even if it might catch media attention. They are probably well aware that they would be risking their lives and at the least a liabilty suit by the Japs that could exhaust their financial means and therefore be the end of their organization.

 

[LB 15]

It does not speak for your judgement and your understanding of seamanship if you are willing to call these people maritime terrorists based on two shitty 60-sec-clips that show nothing really.
They are probably well aware that they would be risking their lives and at the least a liabilty suit by the Japs that could exhaust their financial means and therefore be the end of their organization.

Of course the Sea Shitheads don't do this on purpose.

They have the T-shirts to prove it. You should get one.

But it will be very difficult for you to put your new shirt on if you maintain your current position........

 

[GRUMPY]

der dude seems to have forgotten there's more than 2 clips. The sea sheoherd mob have been violating the law for yonks.

 

[Evo]

The only thing you are right about. Everything else you wrote is complete bullshit. Again.

IRPCS Rule 13. Overtaking.

The overtakeing vessel shall keep clear.

Very simple. The Seatards caused it. Again.

hehehe...was going easy on him LB. sailing instructor

That would be a car full of carp being hit by a car full of crap.

this is a very serious subjest. however...that is very funny

 

[leonsuperfly]

some of you guys really need to do some homework here

Physician heal thyself.

as for the colregs of both situations, this isn't a regatta guys in the real world of playing with big boats like these in open water if your not taking avoiding action at half a mile out you're in the wrong, which means they are all in the wrong, end of story. in any maritime court they would all lose their tickets in a heartbeat. And be looking at serious jail time if anyone was injured.

The only thing you are right about. Everything else you wrote is complete bullshit.

Again.

IRPCS Rule 13. Overtaking.

The overtakeing vessel shall keep clear.

Very simple. The Seatards caused it. Again.

These fuckwits should stay in the forest hugging trees were they are safe. The're not good at boats.

my 2 cents.

Thanks but you get change. It ain't worth that much.

how would you react if some hillbilly started backing up his pickup, full of carp fry, At your local boatramp. i know i'd run into him.

That would be a car full of carp being hit by a car full of crap.

well it's pretty obvious you haven't even read the col regs, my guess is you googled it came up with a summary and then scanned through for something that sounded remotely similar with what you figured to be true and wrote it above

as for the personal attacks, dude i don't even know you and you don't know me either, so i can only assume you're getting some gratification out of having a swipe at me. I'm very flattered, perhaps a little curious, but I'm not really into that.

Maybe its time to turn the computer off and go look for a girlfriend buddy.

Oh and by the way i have no further intentions of communicating with you, until you have something intelligent to contribute. Could be a while.

 

[barleymalt]

some of you guys really need to do some homework here
this is not in "international waters" this in an area of ocean claimed by the australian government as part of their antarctic terrirory

as for their actions being legal link

you can decide on how relevant that legislation is for you and the grand old us of a, but the Australian government has made it very clear that this is not legal they are just being inactive because it would threaten australias extensive trade agreements with japan. the seasheperds are down there stirring shit to get people talking and get the media excited, thus putting pressure on the australian government to intervene.

Australia has sent gunboats after other countries poaching fish in these waters before link

but we do fuck all trade with chile so why not shootem if they're being naughty

as for the research argument, for those of you that haven't worked it out yet its total shit, japan says they kill the whales in order to age them by cutting a bone out of their ear, which is inaccurate to begin with, and you can get more meaningful info from their skin that peels off when they are breaching

Japan is yet to publish any research.

as for the colregs of both situations, this isn't a regatta guys in the real world of playing with big boats like these in open water if your not taking avoiding action at half a mile out you're in the wrong, which means they are all in the wrong, end of story. in any maritime court they would all lose their tickets in a heartbeat. And be looking at serious jail time if anyone was injured.

my 2 cents. As a means to an end the SS could get a great result out there by doing stupid and irresponsible stuff, I don't condone it but at least they are putting a big fuck off spotlight on whats happening

the whalers on the other hand know they are bullshitting the world to make money and frankly I think it would be a great lesson to the worlds children if they sunk

oh and with the carp thing

how would you react if some hillbilly started backing up his pickup, full of carp fry, At your local boatramp. i know i'd run into him.

The AAT dates back to British colonial days, and is recognized by only four countries, the UK, New Zealand, France and Norway. Sorry, but to the other 90% plus of countries those are international waters. In this case it is irrelevant, the SSS have no legal standing to interdict anyone, anywhere.

The IWC is a voluntary organization, and has no enforcement powers against member nations. In the absence of international law, the Japanese are using an IWC research exemption to justify their actions. Bullshit?. Of course, but legally defensible. Unlike the actions of the SSS.

The SSS antics are putting a bigger spotlight on themselves than the whaling. The public attention is on collisions and posturing, not whales. The men on the whaling ships are pawns, harassing them has neglible effect on the people sending them out to hunt whales or on the whaling. All that will happen is people getting injured or killed. Those idiots are damned lucky it hasn't happened already.

Sorry, but your carp argument is nonsensical. Any hillbilly that bothered to catch a load of them would be eating them.

 

[Regatta Dog]

....In the 1st incident it seems like the SS-ship is actually moving into the whaler's course just seconds before the collision. But can you really judge from that perspective? And what if the Ady Gil's operator panicked, seeing the much larger and stronger Jap ship coming that close at considerable speed? Maybe he simply misjudged the situation and tried the wrong maneuver to avoid the collision? In any case, the Jap ship's captain action set the stage for the incident. He was clearly approaching the Ady Gil not the other way around. So it was at least partly his responsibity to keep clear. It was evidently not seamanlike to attempt such a close pass in that area and sea state.....

That's just silly.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I disagree. It was a turn of a few degrees at most. I thought they deliberately got their carbon tri rammed, but this one looks to me to be the Japanese ship's fault if I had to blame just one. I'd like to see more videos. The other incident looked different from different angles.

A turn of a few degrees.......toward the Japanese ship.

I agree. It looked like an FU gesture in their little game of chicken, not a deliberate ramming by Sea Shepherd. The Japanese ship was being aggressive in the chicken game, the SS ship took a jog toward them to let them know they weren't kidding, and the Jap ship hit them. I see the jog toward the Jap ship as different from throttling up the carbon trimaran under the bow of the ship. The former was at least somewhat a defensive move, the latter was an idiotic scuttling.

 

[Regatta Dog]

New video of another incident a couple hours later. Anyone think the Japanese are at fault in this one?

 

[redboat]

Didn't the Sea Shepherd first ram the side of the Japanese ship a while ago?

I'm afraid this back and forth will not end well.

 

[Quagers]

Ok lots of the other videos are ambiguous but that one is fucking clear, the SSS lot are bloody dangerous and someone needs to takes their ships off them before they kill someone. I deplore the Japanese using loopholes in the law to continue whaling but that does not give an excuse for these actions.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

New video of another incident a couple hours later. Anyone think the Japanese are at fault in this one?

Not me, that's an obvious ramming and really reckless, like the SS org itself.

But Watson is pretty much right in what he says in the interview about the incident we are discussing in this thread. The way it looked to me, the Japanese ship would have hit the SS boat with its stern even if the SS boat had completely held a straight course, which I agree they did not.