St. Martin Heineken health concerns

Mike in CT

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A buddy of mine who works at Yale sent me this.

http://news.yale.edu/2013/12/20/yale-scientist-chikungunya-outbreak-may-become-major-us-public-health-problem?utm_source=website&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gsasnews-201312?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=gsasnews-201311?utm_source=YNemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=yn-01-07-14

As I do most years I'm heading to St. Martin for the Heineken Regatta. this year we're bringing the kids so I'm a little more concerned than I would be if it was just me. Anyone hear anything about this? Is it just throw on some repellent and hit the beach, or something more serious?

 

DryArmour

Super Anarchist
It's a real problem. As Dr. Fish noted it is not usually fatal but the real danger lies in proliferation of the disease by those who go to the island and then bring it home with them only to infect others.

 

footlong

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I've been to SM a bunch of times and I can't remember ever being bit by a mosquito, but I guess spraying on some Back Woods Off would be a good idea.

 

MR.CLEAN

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Lots and lots of mosquitos in the lagoon, but this is the first I've heard of Dengue down there. Nasty fucking disease though; i had a crew with it in Costa Rica and it didn't kill him, but he sure wanted to die.

Wouldn't keep me from SXM but might make me slather up with the DEET at night.

 

Rasputin22

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I've had it, (dengue) you don't want it. 20 years later, I still sometimes get a little reminder of the chills and fevers. It comes and goes quickly but my skin gets so sensitive and I get cold to the point of uncontrollable shivering. No amount of blankets or heat seems to help and you would think I was having an epileptic attack to witness. I pull the covers up over my head and any air moving on my body just sends me into more spasms.

I was in Trinidad hauled out for a hurricane season and dreaded the dengue there. A workcrew of four locals opened an in ground cistern for cleaning and got so bit and infected in less than a day they went straight to hemorrhagic fever and dead the next day. A good friend got the dengue hemorrhagic fever while in the boatyards and went to the local hospital in the middle of the night. They gave him IV drips and forgot to give him a catheter and by morning the combination of the fever and swelling and getting pumped full of fluids with no way to void gave him an encephalitus like brain pressure which had killed him by daylight when the real docs came on duty. Too late by then and his widow and I were shocked at how the hospital and local govt did their best to keep the story quiet. They didn't want the goose that laid the golden egg (yachting community) to get scared off by such nastiness. I caught busses all over town that morning only to find that his body had been whisked away to another hospital for autopsy and cremation before noon and with no permission or input from the widow. There had been a recent outbreak and quarentine on one of the little fishing Island near Margarita and that was kept on the low down as well.

If in St Martin, stay out of the lagoon and anchor well out in the trade winds and you should be fine but if you get the symptoms, get the next flight home while you can still walk! The locals don't call it 'break bone fever' for nothing!

Check this map, the STM report is listed.

http://www.healthmap.org/dengue/en/

http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/82989

 

Rum Runner

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My daughter works in Central America where Dengue is pretty common. She and her friends use lots of bug spray even if it is to sit in the back yard.

Just be smart and do the same in SM.

 

Mike in CT

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Lots and lots of mosquitos in the lagoon, but this is the first I've heard of Dengue down there. Nasty fucking disease though; i had a crew with it in Costa Rica and it didn't kill him, but he sure wanted to die.

Wouldn't keep me from SXM but might make me slather up with the DEET at night.
Its not actually Dengue thats the issue its this new chikungunya. A quick google search tells me that the issue is mainly on the french side. Not sure how long that can last.

I sail on a local boat that is on a mooring in simpson bay. the wife and kids will be at Mary's boone. right now I'm thinking hit them with the deet and stay out of the lagoon.

 

Laser1

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Was going to be the cocky one to say that I have never had any health concerns with Heineken.

On second thought reading the above better not.

Stay safe.

 

mad

Super Anarchist
I've had it, (dengue) you don't want it. 20 years later, I still sometimes get a little reminder of the chills and fevers. It comes and goes quickly but my skin gets so sensitive and I get cold to the point of uncontrollable shivering. No amount of blankets or heat seems to help and you would think I was having an epileptic attack to witness. I pull the covers up over my head and any air moving on my body just sends me into more spasms.

I was in Trinidad hauled out for a hurricane season and dreaded the dengue there. A workcrew of four locals opened an in ground cistern for cleaning and got so bit and infected in less than a day they went straight to hemorrhagic fever and dead the next day. A good friend got the dengue hemorrhagic fever while in the boatyards and went to the local hospital in the middle of the night. They gave him IV drips and forgot to give him a catheter and by morning the combination of the fever and swelling and getting pumped full of fluids with no way to void gave him an encephalitus like brain pressure which had killed him by daylight when the real docs came on duty. Too late by then and his widow and I were shocked at how the hospital and local govt did their best to keep the story quiet. They didn't want the goose that laid the golden egg (yachting community) to get scared off by such nastiness. I caught busses all over town that morning only to find that his body had been whisked away to another hospital for autopsy and cremation before noon and with no permission or input from the widow. There had been a recent outbreak and quarentine on one of the little fishing Island near Margarita and that was kept on the low down as well.

If in St Martin, stay out of the lagoon and anchor well out in the trade winds and you should be fine but if you get the symptoms, get the next flight home while you can still walk! The locals don't call it 'break bone fever' for nothing!

Check this map, the STM report is listed.

http://www.healthmap.org/dengue/en/

http://www.sknvibes.com/news/newsdetails.cfm/82989
Have had it as well, at least once, felt like I'd been beaten with a steel bar.

Apparently it gets more dangerous the more times you get it.

Use DEET, but be careful with that stuff as well, don't care what they say, but anything that melts plastic can't be good for you!!

 

MR.CLEAN

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fucking hell. "“An outbreak of chikungunya on French-owned Reunion Island in the Indian Ocean during 2005 caused 255,000 cases, over one-third of the entire population, within one year. Since the Reunion outbreak, chikungunya has appeared in India causing millions of cases and in Italy, which has a temperate climate,” Fish notes."

 

MR.CLEAN

Moderator
problem is when you drink early and then no longer have so much control over your schedule. Drink early, nap, wake up covered in lipstick, bug bites, and missing two credit cards and a shirt. what then? ;)

 

mad

Super Anarchist
problem is when you drink early and then no longer have so much control over your schedule. Drink early, nap, wake up covered in lipstick, bug bites, and missing two credit cards and a shirt. what then? ;)
At that point you go back to the bar, borrow the bar phone, call a mate and start drinking again till he gets there.
He can settle the bar tab at the same time when he gets there.

How's that sound? :)

 
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The Big D

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Spent a lot of time in the Lagoon. Kid ALWAYS slept under a mosquito net unless the wind was over 12 to 15 at night. We always had repellent around as well. Lots of potential illness for a kid down there, including but not limited to mosquito borne maladies. However, some training and common sense will keep them safe. Areas where there are lots of mosquitos are of coarse near the swampier land and the scummier parts of town where there is a lot of standing water and sewage.

Also be aware that beaches where cruising boats are nearby are filthy. Not a place for kids. Carry antibacterial wipes to keep their hands clean and implore them to keep their hands away from their face.

No walking barefoot anywhere except on a nice clean beach. Seriously, I can't tell you how many bad staph infections I've seen on people that think they are immune and walk around the tropics barefoot. Carry something to disinfect wounds immediately with you. A minor scratch can get serious if you are not careful.

Not trying to scare you...just some care that needs to be taken. These things are certainly not anything that should keep them from going down there and having a big time playing in the beautiful water and sunshine.

 

LoopyGirdleSniffer

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

See Ya'll there

 

The Big D

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

See Ya'll there
Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).

 

LoopyGirdleSniffer

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People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

See Ya'll there
Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).
Cute, read it again (or not) and you might understand

 

The Big D

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NY
People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

See Ya'll there
Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).
Cute, read it again (or not) and you might understand
You say that as if "understanding" is something that anyone other than you might do.

 

LoopyGirdleSniffer

Super Anarchist
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Barbados
People people the fear mongering is astounding. I've lived in and been traveling around the Caribbean for the past 20 years, and I've magically managed to not get dengue. Been bit countless times.

I'm not discounting the horribleness of dengue, and this new things is apparently carried by the same mosquito as the dengue mosquito (Aedes Aegypti) so come to the caribbean and don't do anything different than you would have before- Have bug spray (Mossi's are worst just before and after sunrise and sunset), enjoy the weather, drink rum (you can avoid Cleans above noted issues by regular doses of something called "Food".) and go sailing.

See Ya'll there
Nobody is "fear mongering". It is called being smart (pay attention, you'll get the hang of it). The guy is worried about his kids and wants to take care of them. In my world that is a trait of a culturally advanced individual. Not all of us like to rely on "magic" (your word, not mine).
Cute, read it again (or not) and you might understand
You say that as if "understanding" is something that anyone other than you might do.
Clearly you didn't understand the post.

 



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