Steve and Dave Clarks Unidentified Foiling Object

MIAMI OR BUST!



Last sail before breaking the boat down.  VERY gusty conditions.  Had a couple high-speed ventilation events on the first flight, but a quick adjustment on the rudder trim fixed it and had another glorious day.  Next foiling session is in Miami!!!





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Has anyone moved the cleat (or was it subsequently moved) for the halyard? To me, that's the hardest part of raising / lowering the sail on the water; i.e. getting far enough to get a decent angle on the jam cleat. I was thinking of just putting a cleat lower on the mast or on the deck.
I believe the challenge you will have with bringing the cleat to the bottom of the mast is that it will be difficult to maintain luff tension on the main.   The UFO seems pretty sensitive to how far the top of the main is from the top of the mast, and you want to be able to set it and be sure it stays there.   The longer the distance between the sail and the cleat, the more stretch you will have in the halyard.   You will also double the compression force on the mast, so you will have a lot more bend it in than the sail produces on its own.  I'm not sure if that will cause a problem or not, but it will certainly change the shape of the sail.

However, I agree, raising and lowering the sail on the water, particularly if you don't have a support boat and there is any wind on, is near impossible.   Moving the cleat might make it a little easier, but it will still likely be quite difficult.

 

Ledge

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Thanks for all the input above!  By regulation, you can't have a raised sail as you pass under the bridge. I get that raising the sail while afloat would be a PITA.  Moving on to plan B, I have another location close to home where I can dolly the boat to a rocky beach. It will just require taking the mast down between the storage and launching site to get under some trees.  Is it feasible to lift off the top section and leave the lower pieces in place? Top and middle?

Thnx

 

martin 'hoff

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Thanks for all the input above!  By regulation, you can't have a raised sail as you pass under the bridge. I get that raising the sail while afloat would be a PITA.  Moving on to plan B, I have another location close to home where I can dolly the boat to a rocky beach. It will just require taking the mast down between the storage and launching site to get under some trees.  Is it feasible to lift off the top section and leave the lower pieces in place? Top and middle?

Thnx
It's relatively easy to take the rig down - fully assembled, boom and all, with mainsheet in place etc, lay it on the deck and dolly around for a short distance. Further disassembly starts getting a bit trickier. Can still be done quickly by a motivated sailor :) but I'd try to avoid it.

 

DerekF

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Hello,

I just placed an order for a UFO for delivery in late June. I'll be leaning heavily on the expertise here as I have never foiled. I am a laser sailor looking for a new thrill. Here are a few questions to start. Thanks in advance for your support.

1. I am on the North Shore of Boston, any of you in my neighborhood?

2. I am figuring out my best options for storing and launching. I have access to a dock but it is on the inside of a railroad bridge about 50 yards away. This would be a great place to store it because I could leave it fully rigged. The bridge master won't let me sail under the bridge, but I can paddle under with the sail lowered. Has anyone tried paddling their UFO with a SUP paddle? Is it possible to raise and lower the sail while on the water?

Thanks!
@Ledge, welcome to the team!  My background is very similar: sailing Lasers and wanting a boat that is more modern.  I launch my boat at a beach that requires me to sail or paddle (not foil) underneath a bridge.  The UFO will fit safely under a 19 foot bridge clearance.  The boat is easy to paddle but there's not much space to store a paddle on the boat.  I think the community knowledge on paddling is to paddle like a surfboard by putting your chest out on one of the bows and arm paddling.  I have found that I can steer the boat with one of my feet on the tiller.  I hope that helps and keep asking questions and watching videos to climb the learning curve.  We're all here to help each other! 

 

Ledge

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@Ledge, welcome to the team!  My background is very similar: sailing Lasers and wanting a boat that is more modern.  I launch my boat at a beach that requires me to sail or paddle (not foil) underneath a bridge.  The UFO will fit safely under a 19 foot bridge clearance.  The boat is easy to paddle but there's not much space to store a paddle on the boat.  I think the community knowledge on paddling is to paddle like a surfboard by putting your chest out on one of the bows and arm paddling.  I have found that I can steer the boat with one of my feet on the tiller.  I hope that helps and keep asking questions and watching videos to climb the learning curve.  We're all here to help each other! 
Thanks Derek!  Will do.  Figuring out the logistics first. Based on what Martin 'hoff said, I think I can keep my mast assembled and just take it down for transport. Should be less rigging time than the laser. 

 

Todd P

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Its nearly impossible to raise the sail on the boat. Unfortunately, I wish I knew that when purchasing. I bought the boat to tow behind our monohull and foil all weekend while on our mooring. Couldn't do that. My next bet was to trailer the boat because I am 1.5 miles from the water but no place locally to keep the boat rigged on a beach. So I had to completely rig the boat when I arrived at the beach. Foils, rig, everything. It takes some time to get the boat from complete disassemble on a trailer to fully rigged and ready to launch. So being a busy dad I never literally had hours to go sail by myself and remain married. It didn't make sense to drive to the water take 40 minutes to get in the water sail for an hour and take 40 minutes to derig and go home. Yeah, "they" say it can be launched in 20 minutes. That's never the case. Don't get me wrong its a SUPER fun boat to foil just not practical enough for us trailer sailors. The boat is really meant for people who can keep it at their local club or waterfront backyard fully rigged and ready to go at a moments notice. Therefore I sold the boat and just ordered a wing and foilboard. NOW THAT'S the definition of an easily transportable foiling package and be in the water in 10 minutes which works for me. WINGFOILING! Still Dave and the team created a great little foiler. One day when Im rich and have a waterfront home Ill purchase another.

 

fastyacht

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I hear your frustration. Once my kid got 12 The 30 to 40 min rigging 505 nbd because kid sailing too. So when your toddler hits 6 you will get another ufo and sail with him/her :)

 

Dave Clark

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Its nearly impossible to raise the sail on the boat. 
I've done it a good number of times, but I'm also known for acrobatics. The soft shackle on the outhaul is massively difficult from that angle. A snap-shackle would help a lot. Ledge, another solid option is the rig it, tip it over on its side and tow it under from the mast tip. Did this several times in Annapolis to get under the spa-creek bridge. Rig up at the pubic access ramp down the creek, launch and motor down the creek alongside and capsize into the rib as you pass under the bridge. 

So amped to vicariously be following the Miami event from the shop in the frozen north. I reek of styrene, itch from head to toe and have developed profound mask-acne (suuuper hot). I miss sand, salt and sunburns.

DRC

 

martin 'hoff

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Its nearly impossible to raise the sail on the boat. 
I've done it a good number of times, but I'm also known for acrobatics. The soft shackle on the outhaul is massively difficult from that angle.
I've also done it a few times. I've towed the UFO behind a nice proper yacht for about a week, sailing it here and there.

The UFO was tied – so, not drifting. For the hoist, I'd basically be swimming in the water port-aft of the UFO, as if was trapezing on a cat. Same to uncleat the halyard – swimming/"trapezing", but port-bow.

For the outhaul soft shackle, I've solved it with a very cheap trick. With a trucker's hitch and figure-eights' I made a low-brow soft shackle that is very "long" but has several stopper knots (but none of them at the very end of the tail). The knot that is the closest to the trucker's hitch is the one that I end up using. As it has a very long tail, it's easy to get the tail through the loop, and start pulling through, get one stopper knot through, then the other... 

Because it's "long", and it doesn't have a knot at the very end, you don't need to be too far aft (or fiddle for too long) to get it "tied". Simplifies things significantly, even on land.

This very long tail wants to tangle everywhere, the mainsheet block in particular. So tie it off at the metal bridge.

We have a perfect weather window for our little Miami get together. Light-ish on Friday, perfect 12-14kt Sat-Sunday. Barry is already in town, Kelly and Shelley arriving tomorrow morning/midday. @Dave Clark - we'll miss having you and Kirk!

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DerekF

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I've also done it a few times. I've towed the UFO behind a nice proper yacht for about a week, sailing it here and there.

The UFO was tied – so, not drifting. For the hoist, I'd basically be swimming in the water port-aft of the UFO, as if was trapezing on a cat. Same to uncleat the halyard – swimming/"trapezing", but port-bow.

For the outhaul soft shackle, I've solved it with a very cheap trick. With a trucker's hitch and figure-eights' I made a low-brow soft shackle that is very "long" but has several stopper knots (but none of them at the very end of the tail). The knot that is the closest to the trucker's hitch is the one that I end up using. As it has a very long tail, it's easy to get the tail through the loop, and start pulling through, get one stopper knot through, then the other... 

Because it's "long", and it doesn't have a knot at the very end, you don't need to be too far aft (or fiddle for too long) to get it "tied". Simplifies things significantly, even on land.

This very long tail wants to tangle everywhere, the mainsheet block in particular. So tie it off at the metal bridge.

We have a perfect weather window for our little Miami get together. Light-ish on Friday, perfect 12-14kt Sat-Sunday. Barry is already in town, Kelly and Shelley arriving tomorrow morning/midday. @Dave Clark - we'll miss having you and Kirk!

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I will be there with you guys in spirit!  Have a great weekend and take some pictures. I'm looking forward to lighter travel restrictions and more fun later in 2021 or 2022.

I got out yesterday for the first time in six weeks in 12-15 knots of breeze and had a blast.  The six week hiatus was due to my wife and I having a new baby in late Jan.  @Dave Clark how is the stock on UFO / Fulcrum branded baby onsies?  

 

martin 'hoff

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Quick report

We just wrapped up. Things didn't go to exactly to plan, but it was a grand time. Barry, Kelly and Shelly are on their way home. I'm home unpacking, getting sand off things... 

A couple of hours ago, when we here mostly done with de-rigging the out of town UFOs I sat down for a moment realized – here we are, old friends, new friends and I, achy and tired from having sailed 3 days, tearing down our boats yet wishing we could have done one more flight, one more tack, one more hour in the sweet breeze. This is the best time – by far! – I've had in this strange long year.

We recruited a few locals for support. On a J-28 and a new UFO owner (his new craft is in shipment) on a small powerboat. So we had great support on the water.

- Friday - Folks arrived between 10 and 11am, we all worked together and rigged quickly. Lunch took longer than rigging :) After lunch breeze was a tad too light. A few bunny hops but not solid flight. My son was tooling around on a Weta which just shines in the light breeze. Some shenanigans in rescuing the J-28 owner who had sailed away on a UFO and couldn't return, and I couldn't start his fancy electric dinghy motor to go rescue him.

- Saturday - solid breeze, we had 4 UFOs on the water, + Weta + Nacra 15 FCS + the support boats.Kelly and I and the N15 went to the beach side, getting under the bridge into a messy chop. Once near the beach we had a wind funnel over flattish water. Much fun. Kelly and I ran some speed reaches for fun. I swapped out to the Nacra, a Miami acat sailor took the UFO and had his first flights – I had a blast with my son on the Nacra. After a bit, returned to the North area, where Shelly and the support J-28 were playing. Lunch break on the J28 followed by 2 more hours of fun. Alessandro hopped on Shelley's UFO and got flying short stretches pretty well.

Saturday dinner at Whiskey Joe's – outside great view, great chatter and we didnt mind at all the 1hr delay in bringing the food, so good was the chat.

- Sunday - same wind conditions as Sat, but we all stayed in the North side of the bridge, with the J-28 as support. With a bit of magic hat help, Shelley unlocked the foiling magic and moved from not-foiling to foiling and crashing in fun ways. This is always the most tiring part of it, but those flights are exhilarating. Later Alessandro borrowed her boat and also got into flying gradually longer hops. Then we called it a day, and sailed back to shore, where my family was waiting with sandwiches and refreshments. 

Lots more things happened. Among them, I discovered my UFO #4 had developed, after many groundings, a sizable crack on the underside of the rudder gantry. Like a big smile. I drained probably 10 gallons of water every day.

We never actually raced any races. Know what? Didn't matter at all.

 
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Roam

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Quick report

We just wrapped up. Things didn't go to exactly to plan, but it was a grand time. Barry, Kelly and Shelly are on their way home. I'm home unpacking, getting sand off things... 

A couple of hours ago, when we here mostly done with de-rigging the out of town UFOs I sat down for a moment realized – here we are, old friends, new friends and I, achy and tired from having sailed 3 days, tearing down our boats yet wishing we could have done one more flight, one more tack, one more hour in the sweet breeze. This is the best time – by far! – I've had in this strange long year.

We recruited a few locals for support. On a J-28 and a new UFO owner (his new craft is in shipment) on a small powerboat. So we had great support on the water.
It’s a J/34c. Harumph.

Good to meet everyone and getting the chance to try out the UFO.

-Hugh

 
Folks, going to be getting UFO in another month or so. Sailing on Lake Champlain, when it warms up a bit. Can somebody point me a description how to mount GoPro to the boat. See some awesome videos, but in the beginning I just want to learn from my mistakes. Thank you

Dave

 




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